aGENT Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 9 Vancouver Canucks Previous rank: 13 I'm sure Vancouver fans may argue their slot should be a little higher after using back-to-back No. 5 overall picks, with those picks being Olli Juolevi and Elias Pettersson. Although both are good prospects, they don't move the needle at an elite level. However, Brock Boeser provides a lot of value, and looked outstanding in his brief NHL time this past season. Getting Jonathan Dahlen from Ottawa was also a boost to this system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysACanuckFan Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Well from 13th to 9th, at least we are heading the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 I think it's fair. If we had an elite guy in there wed probably top 3 or 5. Hopefully that comes next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 He was on 1040 yesterday shortly after his rankings. The interview: http://ckstam.streamon.fm/listen-pl-2227?smc=10 Some good stuff in there. He lists where the Canucks prospects are ranked, and is optimistic about our crop of prospects, even saying our timeline of getting these guys playing could be as early as 1-2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dral Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Quote 18 Winnipeg Jets Previous rank: 3 Despite not having a lottery pick in recent drafts, the Jets have quite a few top prospects in their system, between Kyle Connor, Jack Roslovic and Kristian Vesalainen. Not every pick they've made has looked like a winner, and the depth is just OK, but they could supplement an already good young NHL core with their top prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Yet again I am questioning Pronman and I just don't know why. Every time he puts this list out he marks his criteria then immediately goes against it. Flyers at 1. Ok, Patrick is his reasoning...really? They'd not even be top 7 on my list. Some ok D prospects and Patrick who screams potential bust. That is not #1 Yotes at 2. Perfect in my eyes, they're top 3 for prospects no matter how you spin it. Preds at 3. Not so much. Certainly top 10 but to quote it as "star power" I don't see that with the Preds anywhere. Just decent prospects. Nothing to get excited about Islanders at 4. OK why? Because of barzal? Who else do they have? Sorokin? Best goalie prospect? Hmmm To shallow to be top 5 Devils at 5. Because of Hischier alone? The devils are thin for being so bad. Prospects not prospect. Again, against his own criteria Wild at 6. Putting them in the same place as the Preds. more middle of the pack. Good prospects but nothing to get uber excited about yet. YET! Lightning at 7. Dammit...have to agree here. They've built something special, managed to stay under the cap and STILL have solid prospects to burn. Stupid Cal Foote... Blues at 8. Again, why? A couple of intriguing prospects but not uber excited. Pronman. By your own criteria bud...look deeper than just this year Nucks at 9. Gonna get flamed here but ya, I see 9-10 right now. 1 more decent draft and we're top 3. More than just this year and late round success Boston at 10. MacAvoy. That is all. Seriously, kids a stud but pretty thin afterwards. I won't go deeper because this is all just my opinion but I've always taken Pronman with a huge shot of sodium (grain of salt) because he makes his criteria, states it's set in stone. Then immediately goes against it. For me, again my opinion; prospect depth, skill is set against more than 1 draft and includes NHL ready prospects Emergence of young stars Star power and name recognition Late round success Long term viability Meaning to say 1 prospect drafted this year alone with such a shallow pool behind them should not qualify a team to be in his top ten. But a team like Carolina who has done nothing but steadily build players that will win you cups and now has the ability to drop an NHL caliber player in to the league every year for the next 3-5 years from their pool is at 15. 1 MacAvoy sets Boston in to the top 10, but an entire core of young top prospects in the Jets system doesn't even set them in the top 15. Again, my opinion only but I never really put much stock in to Pee Mans lists anymore. But I will echo myself from a few prior threads when i say the canucks are on the path to something good. 2 more drafts in the top 10 and another in the top 20 with extra picks in the first 3 rounds could see us with the deepest prospect pool this organization has ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 13 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Yet again I am questioning Pronman and I just don't know why. Every time he puts this list out he marks his criteria then immediately goes against it. Flyers at 1. Ok, Patrick is his reasoning...really? They'd not even be top 7 on my list. Some ok D prospects and Patrick who screams potential bust. That is not #1 Yotes at 2. Perfect in my eyes, they're top 3 for prospects no matter how you spin it. Preds at 3. Not so much. Certainly top 10 but to quote it as "star power" I don't see that with the Preds anywhere. Just decent prospects. Nothing to get excited about Islanders at 4. OK why? Because of barzal? Who else do they have? Sorokin? Best goalie prospect? Hmmm To shallow to be top 5 Devils at 5. Because of Hischier alone? The devils are thin for being so bad. Prospects not prospect. Again, against his own criteria Wild at 6. Putting them in the same place as the Preds. more middle of the pack. Good prospects but nothing to get uber excited about yet. YET! Lightning at 7. Dammit...have to agree here. They've built something special, managed to stay under the cap and STILL have solid prospects to burn. Stupid Cal Foote... Blues at 8. Again, why? A couple of intriguing prospects but not uber excited. Pronman. By your own criteria bud...look deeper than just this year Nucks at 9. Gonna get flamed here but ya, I see 9-10 right now. 1 more decent draft and we're top 3. More than just this year and late round success Boston at 10. MacAvoy. That is all. Seriously, kids a stud but pretty thin afterwards. I won't go deeper because this is all just my opinion but I've always taken Pronman with a huge shot of sodium (grain of salt) because he makes his criteria, states it's set in stone. Then immediately goes against it. For me, again my opinion; prospect depth, skill is set against more than 1 draft and includes NHL ready prospects Emergence of young stars Star power and name recognition Late round success Long term viability Meaning to say 1 prospect drafted this year alone with such a shallow pool behind them should not qualify a team to be in his top ten. But a team like Carolina who has done nothing but steadily build players that will win you cups and now has the ability to drop an NHL caliber player in to the league every year for the next 3-5 years from their pool is at 15. 1 MacAvoy sets Boston in to the top 10, but an entire core of young top prospects in the Jets system doesn't even set them in the top 15. Again, my opinion only but I never really put much stock in to Pee Mans lists anymore. But I will echo myself from a few prior threads when i say the canucks are on the path to something good. 2 more drafts in the top 10 and another in the top 20 with extra picks in the first 3 rounds could see us with the deepest prospect pool this organization has ever had. Real solid post Hippy! Agree with your Canuck positioning. The higher end prospects have to show more to me to get more excited. Your T-Bay is bang on. Would move them up. I expect a top 5 draft position again this year which should help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down by the River Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 My opinion about individuals trying to rank teams on their full stock of prospects is that it is way too big a task for one person. Each team has 10-12 prospects to consider, and there is no way that Pronman is able to adequately judge ~300 prospects. Simply not enough time and footage to make a reliable ranking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 7 minutes ago, Boudrias said: Real solid post Hippy! Agree with your Canuck positioning. The higher end prospects have to show more to me to get more excited. Your T-Bay is bang on. Would move them up. I expect a top 5 draft position again this year which should help. Top 5 for us this year witht he prize being one of the best potential defenders in a decade or a star winger plus additional late round finds (which we've had every year since 2013) will help us But his list is so off in some places based on his criteria it isn't even funny. Bolts are going to be scary, same with canes same with Jets. Blues, Bruins etc all fading due to lack of prospects and aging cores. No stock in Pron or Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Sparkle Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 whoa, some vindication from a kinda quotable news source thats what being a canucks fan has going for us nowadays i'm ready for the minuses :3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted August 17, 2017 Author Share Posted August 17, 2017 Agree on most of your statements there @Warhippy. Hard to say where I'd rank the Canucks overall given his ratings are so far all over the place vs reality but likely +/- couple spot from where he has them is probably right. So at least he's not far off there. There's certainly a few teams that should be lower and some that should be higher as you stated though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 2 hours ago, J.R. said: 9 Vancouver Canucks Previous rank: 13 I'm sure Vancouver fans may argue their slot should be a little higher after using back-to-back No. 5 overall picks, with those picks being Olli Juolevi and Elias Pettersson. Although both are good prospects, they don't move the needle at an elite level. However, Brock Boeser provides a lot of value, and looked outstanding in his brief NHL time this past season. Getting Jonathan Dahlen from Ottawa was also a boost to this system. It seems fair and correct to me. If Gaudette continues to improve as he has been and we get another top 5 pick, hopefully an "elite D" then we'd probably rank 4-5 range next year and thats actually great and we can start working towards getting the window open for the group we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 According to Province he has 14 players rated higher than Peterson that were drafted behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Quote 28 Edmonton Oilers Previous rank: 8 A rare sight during the past decade: The Oilers don't have much coming in terms of prospects! This year's first-round pick Kailer Yamamoto is promising, and the Oilers have some decent depth at defense, but overall, the system is thin and light on impact. More than any other fan base, I imagine long-suffering Oilers fans aren't incredibly concerned with this at the moment, given that their youthful team made it to the Western Conference finals this past spring. Umm...no they didn't. I swear I've heard/read this statement before as well. It's like everyone is so excited about them that they are just spotting them a full round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Anything's better than the mid-twenties we used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 2 hours ago, 73 Percent said: I think it's fair. If we had an elite guy in there wed probably top 3 or 5. Hopefully that comes next year. It's tough to draft an elite guy with anything other than a top 3 pick. As long as the old boys club does their draft behind closed doors, Vancouver will NEVER have a top 3 pick. Those pieces of trash (old boys) hate us cuz they aint us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted August 17, 2017 Author Share Posted August 17, 2017 7 minutes ago, elvis15 said: Anything's better than the mid-twenties we used to be. And in really pretty short time too and without the help of lotto balls. That was only a few years ago. Any of the people questioning Benning's ability to rebuild should looks closely at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, apollo said: It's tough to draft an elite guy with anything other than a top 3 pick. As long as the old boys club does their draft behind closed doors, Vancouver will NEVER have a top 3 pick. Those pieces of trash (old boys) hate us cuz they aint us. Oh yeah I'm not putting blame on anyone I'm just saying that to get to the top 5 we'll need one of those prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 11 minutes ago, apollo said: It's tough to draft an elite guy with anything other than a top 3 pick. As long as the old boys club does their draft behind closed doors, Vancouver will NEVER have a top 3 pick. Those pieces of trash (old boys) hate us cuz they aint us. Each team has a representative in the room when the lottery balls are drawn - Vancouver had Francesco Aquilini. You can see him at the 40 second mark when they do a scan of the room. https://www.nhl.com/video/inside-the-draft-lottery-room/t-288687876/c-51768703 His top-3 are Clayton Keller (7th), Nico Hischier and Matthew Barzal (16th). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 28 minutes ago, spur1 said: According to Province he has 14 players rated higher than Peterson that were drafted behind him. Yeah seems nobody picked up on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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