ForsbergTheGreat Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, Kootenay Gold said: It is not a big deal to the overall finances of the Canucks. It was only a big deal to JB as he probably was worried for his job. As for the analogy, the guy who took responsibility for the mistake worked there for many years afterwards. You seem intent on making mountains out of mole hills IMO. Gagner will either be bought out or moved before the start of next year and that will be the end of it. No one is trying to make it anything more than it is. A mistake. It’s people like you trying to down play it off as nothing. But then you contradict yourself admitting that JB was likely worried about his job. Aka jb understood its slightly more than nothing. I don’t know why so many people struggle to admit anything other than perfection. It’s a mistake, a dumb one that JB will not want to make again. Will it be held over JBs head next contract negotiation. Likely not. Will it cause him to be fired? Nope. Does it set Canucks franchise back a decade? Nope and no one has stated it would. But nevertheless it is a black mark on his overall report card. It’s not the end of the world to admit that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 3 hours ago, Kootenay Gold said: It is pretty easy to make a generalized statement and not substantiate it with any figures to back it up. These players contracts are up for renegotiation or termination next season: Granlund, RFA+ current $ 1.475M... even with arbitration rights (+), he is not likely to see a big jump in pay. , maybe 1.75M? Motte, RFA+ current $ .925M...again not likely a big jump in pay for him either.... possibly 1.1M? Leivo, RFA+ current $ .925M...not much bargaining leverage IMO......1.1M? Boeser, RFA current $ .925M... he is one of very few that should see a big jump in pay depending on if they do a bridge or go long term Goldobin, RFA current $ .863M... if his play continues to progress as the season goes by he might get a pretty decent raise but likely a bridge deal. Ballpark est. $ 1.75 bridge Hutton, RFA+ current $ 2.8M... could be looking at 3.5 to 4M Pouliot, RFA+ current $ 1.1M... if he is still with the team, even with arbitration rights not likely to get more than the minimum increase in pay. More likely moved at TDL IMO Edler, UFA current $ 5.0M... if he is resigned it will be for similar dollar value to what he is making now. Question mark will be term. MDZ, UFA current $ 3.0M... likely gone at TDL. Choice of left defense prospects to fill that spot at less cost in the short term. Nilsson, UFA current $ 2.5M.... not sure what their plans are for him but if he is resigned short term till Demko is truly ready for the NHL, likely be for a similar pay plus 10% Dorsett, LTIR current $ 2.65M.... this contract comes off the books next season and frees up $ 2.65M Now there is some meat and potato values to discuss and how Gagner's cap hit does or doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things going forward. I literally said it's not a big amount. It probably won't make a difference overall, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a mistake. It was a mistake with negligible consequences to our cap situation, but one that our owner wasn't happy about it. 1 hour ago, aGENT said: We started the year with around $12m in cap space iirc, even with his $2m in 'dead cap'. We have even more cap space opening next year (and a likely rising cap). It is the definition of not making any difference. That doesn't change whether it's a good or bad move though. As you said, it's not a big deal at all. But it is a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: I literally said it's not a big amount. It probably won't make a difference overall, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a mistake. It was a mistake with negligible consequences to our cap situation, but one that our owner wasn't happy about it. I can agree with that. I don't think I ever said it wasn't a mistake just that it wasn't a "big" mistake. By the time the Canucks rookies are in line for some serious ka-ching Gagner's contract will be off the books one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: I literally said it's not a big amount. It probably won't make a difference overall, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a mistake. It was a mistake with negligible consequences to our cap situation, but one that our owner wasn't happy about it. That doesn't change whether it's a good or bad move though. As you said, it's not a big deal at all. But it is a mistake. the insurance analogy @aGENT uses for the Gagner situation is correct. We didn't need to use much this year, and likely not at all next. Doesn't make it a "mistake" - at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 Gagner still ripping it up in the AHL, interestingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 hours ago, -AJ- said: Gagner still ripping it up in the AHL, interestingly. He is still a decent NHLer.... just not at this current price tag. Plus with the emergence of EP, he doesn't have a role on the team. I'm surprised that the Canucks can't off-load Gagner with like 50% contract retention. I mean it's not like the team can bury the entire cap of the contract in the minors like before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 11 hours ago, Lancaster said: He is still a decent NHLer.... just not at this current price tag. Plus with the emergence of EP, he doesn't have a role on the team. I'm surprised that the Canucks can't off-load Gagner with like 50% contract retention. I mean it's not like the team can bury the entire cap of the contract in the minors like before. Hoping it has something to do with the Spooner on waivers today. Gagner ($500k-$1m retained) + Schaller for Spooner and a pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, aGENT said: Hoping it has something to do with the Spooner on waivers today. Gagner ($500k-$1m retained) + Schaller for Spooner and a pick. Goldobin + 3rd for Puljujarvi + Spooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 14 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: Goldobin + 3rd for Puljujarvi + Spooner They won't move Pulj. Not even Chia is that dolt'ish. We also need less bodies, not more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 16 hours ago, -AJ- said: Gagner still ripping it up in the AHL, interestingly. Just unfortunately for the Comets rivals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 58 minutes ago, aGENT said: They won't move Pulj. Not even Chia is that dolt'ish. We also need less bodies, not more. Spooner would be in the AHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 hours ago, aGENT said: They won't move Pulj. Not even Chia is that dolt'ish. We also need less bodies, not more. you have to wonder if they'd go for a Gags - Spooner trade tho. If EDM threw in their 3rd from the NYI I'd be happy to see it. Maybe something like Gag's 750k retained for Spooner, their NYI 3rd and someone promising off their reserve list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 hours ago, aGENT said: They won't move Pulj. Not even Chia is that dolt'ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Sounds like an opportunity to rekindle former glory... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 23 hours ago, aGENT said: They won't move Pulj. Not even Chia is that dolt'ish. We also need less bodies, not more. I liked Pully in the Calgary game last weekend. I had to laugh as he reminded me of Kassian the way he kept falling down. He is going to be a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 They should bring Gagner back up. He's probably a better player than Goldobin, atleast I bet he would produce more right now. They've tried everyone else with Horvat & they just don't have anyone. Next up the janitor will get a few shifts with Bo. So why not try Gagner with Horvat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 38 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: They should bring Gagner back up. He's probably a better player than Goldobin, atleast I bet he would produce more right now. They've tried everyone else with Horvat & they just don't have anyone. Next up the janitor will get a few shifts with Bo. So why not try Gagner with Horvat? I'd like to see them try one of Gaudette, MacEwan, or Dahlen with Horvat before they give Gagner another go. I think that ship has sailed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said: They should bring Gagner back up. He's probably a better player than Goldobin, atleast I bet he would produce more right now. They've tried everyone else with Horvat & they just don't have anyone. Next up the janitor will get a few shifts with Bo. So why not try Gagner with Horvat? 1 hour ago, DeNiro said: I'd like to see them try one of Gaudette, MacEwan, or Dahlen with Horvat before they give Gagner another go. I think that ship has sailed. The only reason I could see bringing up Gagner over the guys DeNiro mentioned would be to audition him and hopefully increase his trade value at the deadline. Or at least get his value up to the point where you can trade him with money retained. Hard contract to move though considering it has another year on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 1 hour ago, RetroCanuck said: The only reason I could see bringing up Gagner over the guys DeNiro mentioned would be to audition him and hopefully increase his trade value at the deadline. Or at least get his value up to the point where you can trade him with money retained. Hard contract to move though considering it has another year on it. I thought Gagner was working really hard and playing pretty well when he got sent back down to the A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 9 hours ago, DeNiro said: I'd like to see them try one of Gaudette, MacEwan, or Dahlen with Horvat before they give Gagner another go. I think that ship has sailed. Not only has the shipped sailed but is smoking with threat of flames. Wait with anticipation that Gagner is moved to a desperate playoff team for a 4th rdr. There are 4 or 5 players in Utica who I would like to see play in March. Canucks are not making playoffs and the sooner that is realized the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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