Popular Post Nuxfanabroad Posted October 3, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) Last pre-season thread here..just before we all get our Canucks-fix, for real again. Was thinking of a positive outlook on the current scenario, & kinda wondered how CDC'ers viewed a few recent issues. Since the hierarchy had difficulty, prior to 2017 announcing(officially) our rebuild-status, I started looking at it, in retrospect. **For ease of further discussion, I'll number a few points here** 1 - First, I'd argue the 'Rebuild' began with trading Schneids. Getting Horvat got the ball rolling. If we'd had CS for longer, we wouldn't have fallen so far down(draft order) in subsequent seasons. So it helped in both ways. I think owners knew then that Lu would ALSO be moving on, but they had to stagger these transactions with a bit of time in between.(long, boring theory, but they were concerned about optics, mostly) 2 -***TORTS!*** In another thread yest, was speculating owners brought him in, perhaps cynically as a sort of creative destruction? Easier to 'put the run' to vets, right? I know many posters(most?) will likely disagree, but it wouldn't surprise me if owners knew they had to cut bait(stars were aging). So they try a high-stakes gamble, with a polarizing figure. They either get an unlikely run, or an exodus of vets, willing to waive NTC's. No waiting for an aging country club atmosphere to fade away. 3 - So around that time, they decided the twins would be the vets to keep(hence, 4 yr deals in Fall, 2013). Virtually all other assets try to recycle into the next wave of talent. The twins were the type to teach youngins dedication to the craft. 4 - Even in the middle of a rebuild, we landed a PO spot 1 yr. So we didn't obviously & blatantly tank, like the Coilers/Fleas. The other 3 seasons, we were in it 'til the last 20, 30 games, until injuries made the wheels fall off. Hell of a lot more honourable than going into a season with no aim whatsoever, ala Leafs 2 yrs back. 5 - The general consensus here is we're not expecting to make the Spring dance. That seems to be the view of at least 60~70% of posters, I'd guess. ONE more yr of JB working his magic at the draft table is (IMHO) all it'll really take. Starting next yr we should be in business again, at least seriously for a wildcard. Even still, signing a bunch of FA's we're competing, right?(appearances & all that).. Yet it's more likely we'll be flipping some of these guys into younger assets, spring 2018 or '19... So by June 2018(about 1800 days/rebuild done), suggesting here we'll be firmly into the development/progression stage(rates basically vary for that), as opposed to scrambling & trying to accumulate young assets frantically. We'll have a lot of cap to attract freebies, & a rising team for pretty decent FA persuasion. Looking forward from a draft 2013 perspective, I'd say almost ALL significant team moves over that period(Utica too, being established), has worked out really, quite nicely overall. We shouldn't b*tch & moan about matters like the daft lotto. We don't NEED any ballyhooed stars. They're building a cohesive group of kids that'll be a treat to watch climb to the top. Edited June 23, 2019 by Nuxfanabroad title Rejigged for % 1 3 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SabreFan1 Posted October 3, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) It's all a mad conspiracy I tell ya! Edited October 3, 2017 by SabreFan1 2 1 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Toews Posted October 3, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2017 No offense Nfa but the idea of a "stealth tank" is monumentally stupid. 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putgolzin Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Without getting into the various sub-discussions that could be had from this post, I would agree that we're a good deal of the way through the dark years. I'm not saying that we're close, but we're not as far away as we were a year or two ago. I'm of the opinion that if Benning could have another year as good as his last year (Petersson, Goldobin, Dahlen, Lind, Gadjovich, etc...) that we will be most of the way through the darkest times. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tas Posted October 3, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2017 the only thing that's happened is benning and linden have done exactly what they said they were going to do since the day they were hired. 33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bissurnette Posted October 3, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2017 34 minutes ago, Toews said: No offense Nfa but the idea of a "stealth tank" is monumentally stupid. How could he possibly take offense to that? It's a good thing you started the statement by saying "no offense," it makes all the difference. 2 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, Vanuckles said: How could he possibly take offense to that? It's a good thing you started the statement by saying "no offense," it makes all the difference. It should. I have not remarked on the OP's intelligence. I have called the idea stupid, we are all capable of some stupid ideas. I didn't need to include the "no offense" part of it but I did not want him to mistake my intention. One of my favorite scenes. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bissurnette Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 4 minutes ago, Toews said: It should. I have not remarked on the OP's intelligence. I have called the idea stupid, we are all capable of some stupid ideas. I didn't need to include the "no offense" part of it but I did not want him to mistake my intention. One of my favorite scenes. Slithering your way behind the semantics is not fooling anyone. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 29 minutes ago, tas said: the only thing that's happened is benning and linden have done exactly what they said they were going to do since the day they were hired. This. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tre Mac Posted October 3, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2017 All in for Dahlin 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Toews Posted October 3, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Vanuckles said: Slithering your way behind the semantics is not fooling anyone. Sure thing champ. As far as I am aware, the board rules state that I am allowed to attack ideas but not personally attack posters which I have adhered to. If you have a problem with that post then you are free to report it to the mods. I understand that society as a whole is becoming increasingly sensitive but it should always be acceptable to attack ideas. Edited October 3, 2017 by Toews 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bissurnette Posted October 3, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, Toews said: Sure thing champ. As far as I am aware, the board rules state that I am allowed to attack ideas but not personally attack posters which I have adhered to. If you have a problem with that post then you are free to report it to the mods. I understand that society as a whole is becoming increasingly sensitive but it should always be acceptable to attack ideas. Must feel invigorating to crap on someone's ideas from behind a keyboard. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Toews said: No offense Nfa but the idea of a "stealth tank" is monumentally stupid. It's the electric hybrid Prius tank. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Sorry, but it was just poor management. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Crabcakes Posted October 3, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2017 The Canucks needed a total team renewal from top to bottom (Canucks and Comets). In the beginning they attempted a retool. I define this as keeping the core and replacing the support players. It was known that time was ticking on the Sedins, Burrows, Hansen and others. It was felt that by this year (and Hank said this 2 years ago) that the team could be on the rise again and ready for a playoff run. How? Horvat was already in the system and Benning was targeting young 20's players to speed up the process (Gudbranson, Granlund, Baertschi etc) As with any plan, progress has to be reviewed and adjusted as it is rolled out. Something happened by the mid season review last year. It was clear that the old core was declining fast (Sedins) and that they would no longer be able to carry the team forward. So ownership and management had come to terms with this. A rebuild (replacing the core) was necessary and they had to switch focus to support younger players. Burrows and Hansen were moved for prospects. Without drifting into an essay here, I think the Canucks bottomed out last year. We are seeing Bennings draft picks well and truly ready to play in the NHL (Boeser, Virtanen) and growing depth and competition within the organization. Older players have been brought in on mostly 1 year contracts to fill line up spots until young players are ready to fill the positions. It's not about tanking. It's about getting good pieces and developing them. 1 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rounoush Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 This thread is intense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceGeorgeGoon Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Can the lawless wealthy really be so cunning? Or do they just get really good at landing on their feet? No they just always want money, in my opinion, ticket sales above all else. A catastrophic mistake was sitting lu at the winter classic, so petty but im sure it took alot of heart away from the core group when theybsee tjat crap happen to one of the guys. Arguably the canucks have done ok since 2010 , arguably things could be much better. None of that matters. What matters is the present. Presently we need to build two top lines, find our #1 goalie, backup.. try out another non nhl coach and staff and establish defence after the top 4. Nbd. Ive got drunk optimism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 You may be getting your wives mixed up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Toews said: It should. I have not remarked on the OP's intelligence. I have called the idea stupid, we are all capable of some stupid ideas. I didn't need to include the "no offense" part of it but I did not want him to mistake my intention. One of my favorite scenes. everyone thinking of becoming an inventor should review this scene multiple times 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 4 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Last pre-season thread here..just before we all get our Canucks-fix, for real again. Was thinking of a positive outlook on the current scenario, & kinda wondered how CDC'ers viewed a few recent issues. Since the hierarchy had difficulty, prior to 2017 announcing(officially) our rebuild-status, I started looking at it, in retrospect. **For ease of further discussion, I'll number a few points here** 1 - First, I'd argue the 'Rebuild' began with trading Schneids. Getting Horvat got the ball rolling. If we'd had CS for longer, we wouldn't have fallen so far down(draft order) in subsequent seasons. So it helped in both ways. I think owners knew then that Lu would ALSO be moving on, but they had to stagger these transactions with a bit of time in between.(long, boring theory, but they were concerned about optics, mostly) 2 -***TORTS!*** In another thread yest, was speculating owners brought him in, perhaps cynically as a sort of creative destruction? Easier to 'put the run' to vets, right? I know many posters(most?) will likely disagree, but it wouldn't surprise me if owners knew they had to cut bait(stars were aging). So they try a high-stakes gamble, with a polarizing figure. They either get an unlikely run, or an exodus of vets, willing to waive NTC's. No waiting for an aging country club atmosphere to fade away. 3 - So around that time, they decided the twins would be the vets to keep(hence, 4 yr deals in Fall, 2013). Virtually all other assets try to recycle into the next wave of talent. The twins were the type to teach youngins dedication to the craft. 4 - Even in the middle of a rebuild, we landed a PO spot 1 yr. So we didn't obviously & blatantly tank, like the Coilers/Fleas. The other 3 seasons, we were in it 'til the last 20, 30 games, until injuries made the wheels fall off. Hell of a lot more honourable than going into a season with no aim whatsoever, ala Leafs 2 yrs back. 5 - The general consensus here is we're not expecting to make the Spring dance. That seems to be the view of at least 60~70% of posters, I'd guess. ONE more yr of JB working his magic at the draft table is (IMHO) all it'll really take. Starting next yr we should be in business again, at least seriously for a wildcard. Even still, signing a bunch of FA's we're competing, right?(appearances & all that).. Yet it's more likely we'll be flipping some of these guys into younger assets, spring 2018 or '19... So by June 2018(about 1800 days/rebuild done), suggesting here we'll be firmly into the development/progression stage(rates basically vary for that), as opposed to scrambling & trying to accumulate young assets frantically. We'll have a lot of cap to attract freebies, & a rising team for pretty decent FA persuasion. Looking forward from a draft 2013 perspective, I'd say almost ALL significant team moves over that period(Utica too, being established), has worked out really, quite nicely overall. We shouldn't b*tch & moan about matters like the daft lotto. We don't NEED any ballyhooed stars. They're building a cohesive group of kids that'll be a treat to watch climb to the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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