JM_ Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 I've been one of Loui's biggest supporters (backed up with stat's even) but if we're not going to use him as intended - as a top 6, skilled 2-way player that cleans up in front of the net - then we have to find a way to move him. He is not a bottom 6 player and will continue to stagnate in that role. So.... what are the options moving forward? We could retain salary. We could take another problem player in return. Is there a fit anywhere in the league? And please don't make this Loui-hate thread, this is about options going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Like you said, we will need to retain salary in order to make him an attractive asset on the market. I don't think there is much discussion right now among GMs, as they are more focused on their own teams, seeing their acquisitions and how they are doing. Down the road, we could see a better chance maybe early into next year when injuries start piling up and we get a better idea which teams are likely making the playoffs. If Eriksson can have a solid first half, then I'm sure there would be some interest, taking into account his contract length as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanGnome Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Salary retention is not an option, as we are still retaining salary on the Luongo and Hansen contracts. Each team can only have two such retention's on their cap hit. Basically we're stuck with Eriksson for this season barring a trade where there is no retention (highly unlikely). Eriksson is a notoriously slow starter, but imo he needs to be playing on the T6. I'd like to see these lines: Eriksson - Horvat - Boeser Sedin - Sedin - Granlund Baertschi - Sutter - Vanek Virtanen - Gagner/Burmistrov - Dorsett Baertschi tries very well, but he's simply not a top line LW. Neither is Horvat but Horvat is closer to being a top line player than Baertschi is. IMO Boeser simply cannot come out of the lineup, he provides an element of skill and finish we just do not have in the lineup. That said, with respect to an Eriksson trade, if Benning does somehow pull off a Christmas miracle, I would expect that we could maybe make a deal with Buffalo centering around Kane and a sign & trade. Eriksson + Goldobin for Kane (assuming were able to agree to terms on an extension before hand). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 My mind is he's tradeable at the deadline if he's potted at least 10 goals and you retain about 30% of his salary. Then you have to wonder if its worth trading him for what you'll get. Honestly Id be more inclined to trade Sutter if he's having a good year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 1 minute ago, VanGnome said: Salary retention is not an option, as we are still retaining salary on the Luongo and Hansen contracts. Each team can only have two such retention's on their cap hit. Basically we're stuck with Eriksson for this season barring a trade where there is no retention (highly unlikely). All teams are limited to a maximum of 3 retained salary contracts per season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Retaining salary will mean that two of our retention slots will be taken up for the long haul. That doesn't seem worth it when we could probably get more back while retaining salary and selling off rentals. There are very few contracts that are looking like more of an albatross than Eriksson. We will have to take someone like Dustin Brown in return, someone with a near identical contract length and cap hit. That just doesn't seem worth it to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, VanGnome said: Salary retention is not an option, as we are still retaining salary on the Luongo and Hansen contracts. Each team can only have two such retention's on their cap hit. Basically we're stuck with Eriksson for this season barring a trade where there is no retention (highly unlikely). Eriksson is a notoriously slow starter, but imo he needs to be playing on the T6. I'd like to see these lines: Eriksson - Horvat - Boeser Sedin - Sedin - Granlund Baertschi - Sutter - Vanek Virtanen - Gagner/Burmistrov - Dorsett Baertschi tries very well, but he's simply not a top line LW. Neither is Horvat but Horvat is closer to being a top line player than Baertschi is. IMO Boeser simply cannot come out of the lineup, he provides an element of skill and finish we just do not have in the lineup. That said, with respect to an Eriksson trade, if Benning does somehow pull off a Christmas miracle, I would expect that we could maybe make a deal with Buffalo centering around Kane and a sign & trade. Eriksson + Goldobin for Kane (assuming were able to agree to terms on an extension before hand). Actually you can retain on three contracts but we need retention slots when selling off assets at the deadline and having only one retention slot for the next 5 years makes it that much more difficult to find trading partners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanGnome Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 1 minute ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: All teams are limited to a maximum of 3 retained salary contracts per season. I got it mixed up with retained salary contracts can only be traded twice during the life of the SPC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 1 minute ago, VanGnome said: Salary retention is not an option, as we are still retaining salary on the Luongo and Hansen contracts. Each team can only have two such retention's on their cap hit. I might be mistaking, but i'm pretty sure it's 3 contract per team. 1 minute ago, VanGnome said: That said, with respect to an Eriksson trade, if Benning does somehow pull off a Christmas miracle, I would expect that we could maybe make a deal with Buffalo centering around Kane and a sign & trade. Eriksson + Goldobin for Kane (assuming were able to agree to terms on an extension before hand). Christmas miracle, I like that. Dear santa please, Hutton + Baertschi + Eriksson (retain 30%) for Kane + Reinhart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, Toews said: Actually you can retain on three contracts but we need retention slots when selling off assets at the deadline and having only one retention slot for the next 5 years makes it that much more difficult to find trading partners. Makes the Hansen trade look pretty sketchy at this point (ie., having to retain salary on a contract that was ALREADY a good contract). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly Green Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 how desperate is montreal for a t-6 winger right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Value is low due to contract; player has a NMC for another year, then a full no trade clause for 2 more years, then I believe a modified no trade clause for the last 2 years. All of those things significantly bring down his value and basically make him untradable unless you are willing retain salary and give him away for free, or buy him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Just now, NewbieCanuckFan said: Makes the Hansen trade look pretty sketchy at this point (ie., having to retain salary on a contract that was ALREADY a good contract). I did not quite understand that either. They must have been quite high on Goldobin to pull the trigger on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Blight Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 1 minute ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Makes the Hansen trade look pretty sketchy at this point (ie., having to retain salary on a contract that was ALREADY a good contract). Hansen is off the books at the end of this season. Luongo is our other long term buyout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 "Fergettaboutit!" applies in this case, JM. Say this for a number of reasons... - If he wasn't here at all, we'd still have a lousy roster, likely 2 or 3 yrs(at best) from contending. Let's face it, we've got to wait on the EP, Lind, OJ, Gaud & Gad age group, hoping they'll mesh well with 6~8 good, young pieces we've already got. - Volunteered to FA with a team trending downwards. I say the team should show this exp'd, well-regarded vet respect(benefit of the doubt), & extra time to work out of his doldrums - With all the cap opening soon, we should bear this mistake-burden, accept it as a cautionary against FA short-cuts. Our current scenario is a reflection of 2007~2012 draft incompetency. Hard to stickhandle around that black hole. ******************** What would REALLY bug me?! *********************** IF we currently had a roster that could contend, like Ottawa. Karlsson expiring next summer, & he's gonna break the bank. Then you realize you've got TWO albatrosses(Phaneuf & Ryan)..so how do you make it work? You can't just eject-button bodies claiming they've got some nasty skin-contagion, as if you're a favoured, key US market in this grand rigged deck of a league. So for every clever GM move a team/manager pulls off(& Dorion's had a few), you turn around & make some other silly gaffe. So, in short..ride it out for a bit. Stay clear of FA's(in general) for 2 or 3 more summers perhaps. Unless something irresistable is offered.(like a 2010 Hamhuis wants to play in home province) Play LE with Bo, Hank or Sutter. Try to keep him with familiar linemates for lengthy spells(durations of wks, not merely days). Be patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 13, 2017 Author Share Posted October 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, Kelly Green said: how desperate is montreal for a t-6 winger right now? very. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 13, 2017 Author Share Posted October 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, mpt said: Value is low due to contract; player has a NMC for another year, then a full no trade clause for 2 more years, then I believe a modified no trade clause for the last 2 years. All of those things significantly bring down his value and basically make him untradable unless you are willing retain salary and give him away for free, or buy him out. I didn't include buyout as an option as its essentially a buyout proof contract too. Retaining 1/2 his salary is a much preferable option: https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout_calculator/loui-eriksson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 What? Me worry!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: very. Actually no, they need a top 6 centre, a winger doesn't really help, and in either circumstance Eriksson isn't the answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Sadly, the longer Eriksson keeps being 'meh' his contract looks more and more 'untradeable'. If he was producing at a 'reasonable' pace I'm sure there would be some tire-kickers in on some phone calls at least - as it stands now he's essentially invisible on the stat sheet night in/night out (at least for the important stats that he's supposed to be producing anyway). The NMC is just icing on he cake in this situation..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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