Kanukfanatic Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, aGENT said: He's supposed to be a complimentary 6/7 D. Guess what happens when you force that guy in to the top 4 with equally very little support around him because of all the other injuries? I get that. Why does green continue to use him on the #1 PP though when he has coughed up the puck many times giving dangerous scoring chances away against the Canucks? I just don't get it at this point. It is like green continues to see pouliot through the lens of when he was a very good junior player? I find it odd how green uses him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 46 minutes ago, bree2 said: I was on pouliot's side in the beginning, but he has quickly become a train wreck every game. I don't get how Green still believes he is doing good. Green just doesn't seem to be that stupid. our pp sucks because of goldy and pouliet. until Boeser comes back, green needs to try someone else, anyone else. it is just too painful to watch the way it is. 29 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: just a lack of choices right now I'd imagine. He is playing himself off the pp, maybe the team, we'll see. I could see Juolevi being called up to take his place after Christmas. 18 minutes ago, aGENT said: Also doesn't help that he, like most of the team, is being forced to play WAY over their heads at the moment due to injuries. bree2 pretty much captures my view. I was rooting for Pouliot, I even convinced myself that he was playing well for a while. But, in my view, he really has not shown himself as being good enough play in the NHL, except maybe as 7th man. I agree with Jimmy McGill that he is playing due to a lack of choice. But I would be nervous about bringing Juolevi up at this stage. Juolevi is building his confidence in Utica and still needs to work on his defensive game. Edler should be back fairly soon and Pouliot can be dropped from the PP and can either become a low-minute 3rd pairing guy or go the press box. A lot of Canucks have been asked to play over their heads due to injuries. Horvat has been amazing -- taking on the main shutdown role AND generating offence. I think Hutton has risen to the occasion, and Granlund and Virtanen have also played well, But Pouliot has not succeeded in playing over his head. He is sinking. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Shift-4 said: Just here to say I stand behind Pouliot We all do. Who doesn’t? but the hard fact is , he is a lousy dman, at the nhl level. He is costing this team momentum, putting his linemates is tough situations, the list goes on. i do understand the coaches point of view. Elder is hurt and sadly there Is no other offensive dman that can drive the play up. Hoping to see Hughes sign a contract near our tail end of the season. Pouliout is so bad I refuse to believe juolevi or even Hughes isn’t better then this plug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, Kanukfanatic said: I get that. Why does green continue to use him on the #1 PP though when he has coughed up the puck many times giving dangerous scoring chances away against the Canucks? I just don't get it at this point. It is like green continues to see pouliot through the lens of when he was a very good junior player? I find it odd how green uses him. 21 minutes ago, aGENT said: He's supposed to be a complimentary 6/7 D. Guess what happens when you force that guy in to the top 4 with equally very little support around him because of all the other injuries? 45 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: just a lack of choices right now I'd imagine. He is playing himself off the pp, maybe the team, we'll see. I could see Juolevi being called up to take his place after Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 27 minutes ago, JamesB said: bree2 pretty much captures my view. I was rooting for Pouliot, I even convinced myself that he was playing well for a while. But, in my view, he really has not shown himself as being good enough play in the NHL, except maybe as 7th man. I agree with Jimmy McGill that he is playing due to a lack of choice. But I would be nervous about bringing Juolevi up at this stage. Juolevi is building his confidence in Utica and still needs to work on his defensive game. Edler should be back fairly soon and Pouliot can be dropped from the PP and can either become a low-minute 3rd pairing guy or go the press box. A lot of Canucks have been asked to play over their heads due to injuries. Horvat has been amazing -- taking on the main shutdown role AND generating offence. I think Hutton has risen to the occasion, and Granlund and Virtanen have also played well, But Pouliot has not succeeded in playing over his head. He is sinking. I feel sorry for Poiliot. Most nights he looks like a deer in the head lites. I confidence that Green is doing what he can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 1 hour ago, aGENT said: Yeah, I don't accept the lack of choices answer as the reason green keeps using pouliot on the PP1. Try Hutton for an extended tryout like green has done with pouliot. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Kanukfanatic said: Yeah, I don't accept the lack of choices answer as the reason green keeps using pouliot on the PP1. Try Hutton for an extended tryout like green has done with pouliot. Hutton wasn't any better. Until Edler's back (or even better, Hughes/Juolevi arrive)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC_CITY Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 I think I would prefer Alex Biega to DP at this point. He does all the little things right, which is more than I can say for DP this season. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 2 hours ago, aGENT said: He's supposed to be a complimentary 6/7 D. Guess what happens when you force that guy in to the top 4 with equally very little support around him because of all the other injuries? aGENT I would rather see forwards at the points than Pouliot on the PP They could provide more offence, at least see if they cough up as many scoring chances When is it enough to not try something else if it is not working? If he is over his head on the PP (and a complimentary 6/7 D as you point out) Then the PP is not the place to be, when you need skill to score 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 This kid was so highly ranked when his draft came, supposed to be a top pairing dman. Maybe in due time or maybe it's too late for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 6 hours ago, aGENT said: Hutton wasn't any better. Until Edler's back (or even better, Hughes/Juolevi arrive)... Agree to disagree. Pouliot has played very bad hockey at the NHL level. Pretty simple really. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 8 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said: Agree to disagree. Pouliot has played very bad hockey at the NHL level. Pretty simple really. So like Jake a couple years ago... just needs more time to develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannydog Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 16 hours ago, aGENT said: Hutton wasn't any better. Until Edler's back (or even better, Hughes/Juolevi arrive)... Hutton is always on the 2nd pp. Other then the last couple games the 2nd pp couldnt even cross the blueline and if they did was lucky enough to make 2 passes. Not really a true example of failing as a PP specialist . Give Hutton pouliots min on the 1PP and see what happens. Give him a fair shake , cant hurt more than watching pouliot choke back there. Brock over Goldy will help with our PP success ,goldys been a mess. Is brock cleared to play today? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krutovsdonut Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 pouliot's rover offensive game does not translate to the nhl. he does not have a good enough shot to keep defenders honest and be effective on the point. he can't quite think the game fast enough, and he is not fast enough to compensate for his mistakes. he will never be what he was drafted to be, but with enough patience and some experience he could find an nhl game as a mobile mid-4 dman. it's a longshot but it is a shot. what is left of his potential is a reasonably mobile dman with enough size to hold his ground if he uses it and a decent pass and the ability to play with possession and roam when he has room. if he plays with those tools but within himself he can be an nhl regular. the way he played the first half of last year showed that to be possible. his improved physical engagement this year shows progress, in spit of all the other issues. for the time being, it is worthwhile to give him a roster spot to gain experience and see if he clicks. the clock is ticking and it will run out when juolevi and hughes are ready, but for now he is a better use of a roster spot than a confirmed 6/7 guy like mdz or beiga, whose development curve has definitely ended and who has to play desperate every game just to be on the roster. that is most probably where pouliot ends up but it is not yet certain. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 10 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said: Agree to disagree. Pouliot has played very bad hockey at the NHL level. Pretty simple really. Agree to disagree with what exactly? As a still young 6/7 D with depth around him, he looked fine earlier this year. As injuries piled up and he was forced in to a role WAY over his head with very little support around him, he's looked like a 6/7 D...forced in to a role WAY over his head with very little support around him. Shocking, I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 17 hours ago, aGENT said: Hutton wasn't any better. Until Edler's back (or even better, Hughes/Juolevi arrive)... At some point you look and see that Pouliot hasn't been working but has actually killed momentum on the powerplay, by his sheer choice to make low percentage plays Yeah Hutton and Stecher haven't been great either, but to continue with that same guy in the same position knowing full well its not working while you have two other options to plug in a try. When the powerplay is struggling, you gotta find new ways to give it life. Taking a few guys out to swap in another might do the trick. At this point you can't be picky and choosy, just start experimenting. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nergish Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 All you have to do to play 1PP when you have Elias Pettersson in the lineup is make quick, simple passes and hold the blue line. Pouliot does neither of these things and should not be there, period. Hutton does those things just fine, as does Stecher. DP should be a 3rd option, at best, even now with all the injuries. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Westcoasting said: So like Jake a couple years ago... just needs more time to develop. They are not comparable. Pouliot is two years older. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Pouliot is struggling but at the very worst if he is no longer in the plans Benning can bump his worth up a tad and get something back in a deal. This is the next faze of the time line as pieces that no longer fit are moved out. EP40 can play a big part by boosting the numbers for many on the roster. Add Brock and we have a monetizing duo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 He's playing out of his element right now. If he was merely playing as a 5th or 6th D-man, we wouldn't be nearly as harsh. That being said, I don't understand why he's on the 1st unit PP. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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