Warhippy Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Sooooo much stupid in one small area. Its easy to see who responds first vs who actually researched the topic first. As well. Lol lifesite news. Only missing a tick tock in the post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Tortorella's Rant said: But there wasn't a monetary figure whatsoever attached to that ruling. This legal system has some sick priorities considering there was no actual wrong doing on our part as far as I'm aware. If it can be demonstrated our people tortured him then so be it, but I've heard of no such thing following this story. All we did was provide intelligence. The Americans detained and beat him. At the end of the day, Khadr was a terrorist and we gave him about 11 million dollars for his actions. Ya....you might be a bit wrong overall 1 hour ago, inane said: Perhaps you should read up on it cause you're clearly lacking information. If suggest doing just this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 8 minutes ago, Chandymen said: Getting news from alternative media that aren't from mega corporations / state-runned tv that pushes a elitist liberal agenda is so unfortunate! How dare people have differing opinions. uh huh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 2 hours ago, Tortorella's Rant said: But there wasn't a monetary figure whatsoever attached to that ruling. This legal system has some sick priorities considering there was no actual wrong doing on our part as far as I'm aware. If it can be demonstrated our people tortured him then so be it, but I've heard of no such thing following this story. All we did was provide intelligence. The Americans detained and beat him. At the end of the day, Khadr was a terrorist and we gave him about 11 million dollars for his actions. Just gonna leave this here. If you can answer ALL of the factual information regarding Khadr and explain why he gets hate vs Harper and Ara who didn't I will accept your point and accede the argument https://www.nationalobserver.com/2017/07/27/opinion/heres-one-question-your-angry-mp-cant-answer-about-omar-khadr “Omar Khadr pulled the pin from a grenade and tossed it at Sgt. First Class Christopher Speer, a U.S. Army Delta Force medic, on July 27, 2002.” So wrote Peter Kent, Conservative MP and foreign affairs critic, in The Wall Street Journal on July 16 this year. Kent's op-ed was part of a full-on media blitz, where elected Conservative MPs took their grievances to American media after the Liberal government reached a settlement with Khadr reportedly worth $10.5 million. Michelle Rempel even appeared on Fox network's Tucker Carlson show. Yet they have been conspicuously silent on one point. Just how exactly did Khadr "pull the pin from a grenade and toss it" at Sgt. Speer? Let me be more precise: How did an 80 pound kid lying face down under a collapsed roof throw a grenade over an eight foot barrier and then 80 feet away to kill Sgt. Speer? There's a challenge going around Twitter for Conservatives to explain it. The challenge is to read this review of the evidence, written from my perspective as a former prosecutor, and explain to Canadians how Khadr did it. The Tories all know about it, because it's been called to their attention many times. Over 100,000 Canadian political junkies have viewed the Twitter challenge, and so far not one person can find the answer. Even Khadr's (probably false) confession doesn't explain it. No one can explain it, because the evidence demonstrates that Khadr didn't kill Speer. It shows, in fact, that the U.S. military and the Canadian government knowingly misled the public about what happened in that firefight, and Conservatives are perpetuating that false narrative. To briefly re-cap, here's the problem with the American story. It's the photograph that cannot tell a lie. Actually, it's two of them — military photos taken of the scene where Khadr were found after the brief firefight that mortally wounded Speer. For years the American military kept these images out of sight of Canadians and the U.S. public. They were finally unearthed in 2009 by the superlative Toronto Star investigative reporter Michelle Shephard. Here's the first. Omar Khadr's in this picture, but you can't see him. Omar Khadr (centre bottom) beneath the rubble after a firefight in Afghanistan on July 27, 2002. Photo courtesy of the U.S. military, originally published in the Toronto Star The figure at the top isn't Omar Khadr, but a fighter who was shot and killed during a firefight, which supposedly took place just moments earlier. Khadr lies just below him, buried under the rubble of what is described in records as a collapsed roof. That roof most likely collapsed on Khadr sometime during the four hour air bombardment that immediately preceded the firefight. This photo also appears to have been taken before he was shot in the back by U.S. Special Forces. In the second photo below, taken after Khadr was shot, brush and debris appear to have been cleared from his head and torso. It doesn't look like his body has moved at all. That Khadr is still partially buried suggests that he was shot where he lay. Neither photo shows evidence that he was even conscious at that point. Omar Khadr lies motionless after being shot, with debris cleared away. U.S. military photo obtained by the Toronto Star. According to Shepard, military records indicated that “a soldier stood on top of Khadr’s body before realizing someone was buried.” This flies in the face of the story America told the world about the boy known as Guantanamo’s Child. According to that version, mere seconds after the gun battle, Khadr was discovered crouching or leaning on some brush, his back turned to American soldiers, and was then shot in the back. Which doesn't explain how he got buried under a collapsed roof. In fact, long enough after the firefight that soldiers with cameras were photographing the scene, Khadr was still undetected, lying face-down and incapacitated, buried under rubble. He was probably shot in the back as soon as the guy who stood on top of him realized he was there. Khadr was then patched together by a medic who described him this way, "I don't know if I can call him a little kid but he sure looked little to me. He's 80 pounds or something. He's a little guy...” A riddle for the Tories From the compound he was taken to Bagram, home to the largest U.S. military base in Afghanistan. He lay there in a coma for a week before undergoing a torturous interrogation while still severely wounded. That Khadr confessed under agonizing pain and three continuous weeks of sleep deprivation is not surprising. That he pled guilty in the only possible legal path out of Guantanamo Bay is also not surprising. But if his confession and guilty plea have any weight whatsoever, they have to match the known and incontrovertible facts. They must match the photographs of the scene. They don’t. So here’s the riddle Conservatives should have to answer: explain how Khadr did it. It would be great if reporters would ask that question. Canadians should ask it in public. Folks on Twitter could put it to all the angry Tories still trying desperately to keep this story alive. The answer is not that Khadr confessed. He’d have confessed to flying in on a dolphin from Mars, and so would we, had we been in his shoes. Nor is the answer that Khadr's a terrorist. The sole reason Canada left Omar Khadr to rot in Guantanamo Bay for a decade is because he was supposed to have killed an American soldier. Remember when the only prisoners in Guantanamo were the worst of the worst? These were people that Dick Cheney famously said would have to be killed if they couldn't be held there. These were all people who were deemed so dangerous they could never be brought to America to be tried in open court. The death of Sgt. Speer is the only reason Omar Khadr was ever there at all. So as Peter Kent, Michelle Rempel, Stephen Harper and, oh, Andrew Scheer hold themselves out as experts on that tragic death, go ahead and ask them to tell us just one thing. How did Omar Khadr do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drive-By Body Pierce Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Kids, don't believe everything that you read... hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Shhhh.....calm down. Climate Barbie will weigh in an solve all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 11 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Sooooo much stupid in one small area. Its easy to see who responds first vs who actually researched the topic first. As well. Lol lifesite news. Only missing a tick tock in the post You do realize the story isn't false right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 2 hours ago, bolt said: get this clown out of office; turning canada into downtown eastside. Lets his finance minsters company run the budget so they can claim maximum profit. Liberals are so full of corruption. i guess flood the immigration line so his party has a chance. Cant deport a terrorist because they probably are a liberal vote. Ironically most of the "terrorist" types are ultra Conservative so no. No traditionally they vote Conservative. Enjoy that fact, you're politically aligned with people who fight for ISIS or are most likely to end up terrorists 3 hours ago, GM said: “These are people who got on a plane to fight for ISIS and watched as our allied soldiers were burned to death in a cage. These are people who got on a plane to go to fight for an organization that sells women and girls into slavery. These are people who left Canada to fight for a group of people who push homosexuals off buildings just for being gay,” Scheer told the House of Commons Monday. https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/trudeau-sparks-outrage-with-plan-to-reintegrate-isis-terrorists-into-canada OK clownshoes here's the thing Scheer spent most of his political life forcing his religious views on others including the ones in which (omg are you ready for this) HE WANTED TO MAKE GAY MARRIAGE ILLEGAL AS WELL AS PROPOSED AND BACKED A MOTION THAT WOULD SEND TEENAGERS FROM THE LGBT COMMUNITY TO CAMPS TO SEE IF IN FACT THEY COULD BE CURED OF THEIR HOMOSEXUALITY. Just wanted to bold that and make it all caps since someone of your vaunted intelligence and obviously non biased views would understand it before you get trounced from this site. Secondly, pushing the narrative that he wants to happily bring terrorists back is BS. He wants to bring back the children, the families taken over there and if in fact known insurgents come back he wants them jailed and slowly reintegrated back in to society Why? because (and please follow along as I am writing it in crayon for you to understand) Canada does not kill it's own citizens. not even the most conservative PM in the last 75 years would willingly allow or give orders to bomb and stike houses known to hold terrorists. Which is what the UK and Australia and France have been doing. Collateral damage that is considered acceptable Now I know it is tough to understand why this is important so let me break it down for you. At the root of it is the simple belief that canada stopped murdering its citizens almost 6 decades ago at the order of John Deifenbaker. So before you keep trotting your Rebel videos and your coalition for anti abortion parading around as actual news here please udnerstand that some of us are actually far too intelligent to simply be reactionary and go "OMG True Dough is da bad he is da turrist guy" without actually fact checking such crap. It in fact was Harper who was passing the law to jail them initially back in 2015. Ironically he wanted to jail them for trying to go to hot spots but his attempted travel ban did not in fact make it a crime for them to come home. Bill C-51 is alive and well So run on off yapping dog. Some of us are smarter than that. Shame you aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted November 22, 2017 Author Share Posted November 22, 2017 11 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: You do realize the story isn't false right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 minute ago, GM said: Exactly what I thought. You literally cannot refute facts so you'll posts videos or meme's So much for your argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 9 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Exactly what I thought. You literally cannot refute facts so you'll posts videos or meme's So much for your argument. What facts? He posted a poor source but the story is accurate. Trudeau and Goodale have both been talking about this. Trudeau said terrorists should keep their Canadian citizenship, now they will and this government will try to reintegrate them into society putting Canadians at risk. These isis fighters should be jailed indefinitely and or stripped of their Canadian citizenship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 12 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Exactly what I thought. You literally cannot refute facts so you'll posts videos or meme's So much for your argument. buckle up Hip, Ezra's bs machine is just revving up. The fact the the conservatives hired this guy tells you this fake news approach is going to be a daily thing. Its an echo-chamber tho, and will backfire spectacularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 12 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Ironically most of the "terrorist" types are ultra Conservative so no. No traditionally they vote Conservative. Enjoy that fact, you're politically aligned with people who fight for ISIS or are most likely to end up terrorists . Lmao really? Terrorists traditionally vote conservative?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Lmao really? Terrorists traditionally vote conservative?? Uh...ya....people from ultra conservative backgrounds don't tend to vote liberally or to the far left now do they. That's always been the fallacy of the right. Saying that immigrants will vote liberal when in fact they come from conservative backgrounds and religions 9 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: What facts? He posted a poor source but the story is accurate. Trudeau and Goodale have both been talking about this. Trudeau said terrorists should keep their Canadian citizenship, now they will and this government will try to reintegrate them into society putting Canadians at risk. These isis fighters should be jailed indefinitely and or stripped of their Canadian citizenship. Yes, they will keep their Canadian citizenship. Remember when Harper tried that? It was not passed through the senate and the courts said it would never fly pulling citizenship from born and raised Canadians. They WILL be jailed, at NO point in time did anyone say they wouldn't be. They will not be given poutines and asked how their trips went...Bill C-51 Look it up. This is nothing mroe than an attempt to drum up support via pavlovian response by screaming the word terrorist inserting a liberal figures name in to the conversation and feeding those most likely to react without fact checking partial information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Big fan of Justin Trudeau. Of course he is not as great as his famous dad Pierre Trudeau but maybe in a few more years JT will get closer in comparison. Once JT cancels the dirty Kinder Morgan sludge ( bitumen ) line i will even be more of a supporter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Warhippy said: Uh...ya....people from ultra conservative backgrounds don't tend to vote liberally or to the far left now do they. That's always been the fallacy of the right. Saying that immigrants will vote liberal when in fact they come from conservative backgrounds and religions Yes, they will keep their Canadian citizenship. Remember when Harper tried that? It was not passed through the senate and the courts said it would never fly pulling citizenship from born and raised Canadians. They WILL be jailed, at NO point in time did anyone say they wouldn't be. They will not be given poutines and asked how their trips went...Bill C-51 Look it up. This is nothing mroe than an attempt to drum up support via pavlovian response by screaming the word terrorist inserting a liberal figures name in to the conversation and feeding those most likely to react without fact checking partial information You initially said terrorists traditionally vote conservative, now you're saying immigrants traditionally vote conservative. I'm not sure how anyone can accurately gauge how immigrants vote especially cconsidering Canada has immigrants from all over the world. I suppose we could look and see who is the most diverse party as represented in the house of commons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 5 hours ago, -AJ- said: Definitely not a biased article. Truth negates charges of bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Does Canada have a choice here? These people are pieces of @#$#@ but still Canadian citizens. The correct mode of action should be to allow them back into Canada and then try them for their crimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, taxi said: Does Canada have a choice here? These people are pieces of @#$#@ but still Canadian citizens. The correct mode of action should be to allow them back into Canada and then try them for their crimes. Yes we do, the liberal record on this matter is bringing convicted terrorists back, setting them loose with seven figure bonuses to spend for their efforts on behalf of destroying the country. He sure takes after his dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ray_Cathode said: Yes we do, the liberal record on this matter is bringing convicted terrorists back, setting them loose with seven figure bonuses to spend for their efforts on behalf of destroying the country. He sure takes after his dad. If you're referring to Khadr, you know it's more complicated than that. Chretien allowed him to be brought into Guantanamo. Then Harper, a couple of years later, did nothing to free him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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