Crabcakes Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 4 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said: Nope, defending no one. The entire premise of this thread is thinly veiled at best - the team has actually a better CAP situation than last year and moves were made then just fine. Yes, the organization has a lot of players who can play in NHL and AHL now - that is what happens when you turn a corner and start a rebuild. 1. Veterans were signed to create a culture of competition and, hey, guess what....so far it is working. All of those signings came with ZERO movement clauses (even Horvat's didn't) and so they are all poker chips to be played if people want to do that. There is not "blind" anything here but a blind hate of this organization's management 2.by a few. It is so immature and transparent. I don't understand the fixation. The Canucks have gone from doormat status to a legitimate (but still non-playoff in my mind) rebuilding team with actual prospects in very few seasons in compare to the likes of Toronto, Edmonton, Florida, Buffalo, Arizona....the list goes on. To do that a mix of players was required, some deft trades and some good drafting. Check the box on all three. No home runs but no complete whiffs either. A few seasons to go but a thread claiming the Canucks are somehow unable to make a trade - c'mon, you are typically better than this. Know you hate Benning in the way that people hate someone who stole their soulmate but how many different ways do you need to say it? You think he (and his team) are incompetent and make idiotic moves and now have put themselves in a situation where they can make no moves. That sum it up? Wow. 1. Yes. Some people refuse to acknowledge the importance of team culture. Let's look at Edmonton and their lack of a back checking culture again. But seriously, most of the veterans that have been signed were signed on 1 year contracts. That means they can be re-signed (or not) depending on their performance or whether they continue to fit in with the teams objectives. 1 year players are: Vanek, Burmistrov, Gudbranson, Holm, Rodin, Boucher, Chaput, Megna, Weircoich, Molino. Multiple year veterans are: delZotto, Gagner, Dorsett, Eriksson, Sutter. So all these veteran signings really are no hindrance to signing free agents in the off season or to making mid season deals as long as salary coming in is similar to salary going out (which is almost always the case). 2. Management (Benning and Linden) get blamed for certain moves that are made that don't make sense in a rebuild. Nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors when policies and strategies are made. What ever strategy that management comes up with is subject to the approval of ownership. If the owner is worried about short term attendance, he may be insisting on the sorts of moves that are not necessarily beneficial in a long term rebuild. The signing of Eriksson for example. It is ownerships right to do this but we will never know if this sort of high level dictation of strategy is actually going on. If things are done which don't make sense, I would suggest that more than one agenda is at play from time to time. Despite this, Benning has been gathering a decent prospect pool after only 3 years on the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckledraggin Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 TL;DR...He failed physics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rocket Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 22 hours ago, NUCKER67 said: TDL Vanek Edler/Hutton Granlund Gagner for picks/prospects Let's not do any deals with EDM, can't wait for McDavid's salary to kick in. Lucic - $6,000,000 Draisaitl - $8,500,000 Nugent-Hopkins - $6,000,000 McDavid - $12,500,000 Sekera - $5,500,000 Yikes I noticed Nurse is an RFA after this year, and is only making $863,333 this year. He'll be due for a big raise. Maybe the Canucks should make him an offer. Not sure how the Oilers will be able to afford him. Don’t forget Russel started his 4x4 deal with a no move clause this year and he’s 4th on their LHD depth chart when sekera is healthy (klefbom, sekera, nurse all ahead of him) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 20 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said: Is this just another "Jim Benning and co are idiots" thread? Are there not enough of those already? If you don't agree with the path the team is on, that is fine but how many different ways do you need to say it? I figure that if we all had jet packs and flying cars then we wouldn't need anymore bridges, and without their natural habitat trolls would start to become more scarce. regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeydownUnder Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 I didn't realize you needed cap space to trade vets off for picks and prospects. In all seriousness though, Canucks are doing well yeah? Might as well enjoy it. They could still end up second last again but it looks like they have a legit top line for the first time in a few years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 1 hour ago, HockeydownUnder said: I didn't realize you needed cap space to trade vets off for picks and prospects. In all seriousness though, Canucks are doing well yeah? Might as well enjoy it. They could still end up second last again but it looks like they have a legit top line for the first timemail in a few years Good thing they can't trade it..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeydownUnder Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 4 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said: Good thing they can't trade it..... Lol timemail. Auto correct does some funny things but that's a new one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted November 30, 2017 Author Share Posted November 30, 2017 The terrible news today about Dorsett will create more cap space for the Canucks. Cap space that can be used to not necessarily be used for a difference maker but to enhance the value of a draft pick or a trade for a young high level prospect and taking back of a expensive contract so the other team can get cap space for a different trade. A poor example might be something like St Louis wants to make a trade for Taveras or similar type player, but doesn't have the cap space so they make a deal with the Nucks offering a high level draft pick(s) two years from now and a high priced UFA (Stastny lets say) for an AHLer and a late round pick, the Canucks will be taking on salary for StL giving them the cap space the Nucks had, if they (StL) needed additional cap space and opening up a roster spot on that team. Or Some other team does want Vanek or one of the team's upcoming UFAs, again the team could take retain some salary or take back a bad contract and allow that team to be more aggressive in the trade market and the Nucks could get a two 2nd rounders' instead of one for the extra part of their cap space they use up. This year does seem be shaping up to have more in season trades than the last few years. Some high level trades at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 On 11/23/2017 at 11:16 AM, Canadian Clay said: Don’t forget Russel started his 4x4 deal with a no move clause this year and he’s 4th on their LHD depth chart when sekera is healthy (klefbom, sekera, nurse all ahead of him) Russell is quite a sniper though..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Rob_Zepp said: Russell is quite a sniper though..... curious on your take - if you had to deal one of Markstrom or Nilsson who would it be? I was listening to Corey Hirsh a week or so ago and he was saying he thinks Nilsson has the best potential of the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 6 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: curious on your take - if you had to deal one of Markstrom or Nilsson who would it be? I was listening to Corey Hirsh a week or so ago and he was saying he thinks Nilsson has the best potential of the two. Markstrom would be a bigger return in a trade but Nilsson may have more upside so it is a tough call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 At this point, with the injuries who is left to trade? Half the team is once again top/elite level AHL players on a bottom feeder team. They won't garner what the Nucks need. Trading away the prospects is counter to what management's........"plan" for rebuilding, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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