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21 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Nah. Gaunce was invested and involved. He's not getting the bounces. Gagner, on the other hand, is as useful as a turd on a stick. 

A turd on a stick can be used to flung towards Gagner. :ph34r:

 

11 hours ago, oldnews said:

You need to stop pretending to know what people need to perceive.

Watch the goal again yourself.  Granlund had no reason to "backcheck" - Hutton was in possession ffs - not a "backchecking" circumstance (rollseyes).  Backchecking is the last thing a forward expects to need to do with the puck on his own defenseman's stick.  That is by definition a transition situation - so if Granlund was leaning up-ice, there you have it.  That is precisely the point - you can't have a defenseman idling with the puck like Hutton has been recently - it crosses everything up.

Stop apologizing for poor puck movement and open your eyes.  Hutton's decision making needs to improve - it's obvious.

 

There may be a number of reasons for that - perhaps he's just not a great fit for Green's quick transition game, but I don't really believe that's the case.  I think it's confidence (lack of), and a problem that is occuring in the same area of his game, in similar circumstances, repeatedly.  There simply isn't time in today's game to sit indecisively on the puck in his own zone like Hutton is - teams are going to jump all over you every time.  I'd lean towards taking him out of the fire for a game or two and letting him reset.  He looks like he's regressing - this did not necessarily appear in his game as a rookie, and not as pronounced last year as it is right now.  So he'd appear capable of making quick transition decisions, but he's playing cautious, hesitant hockey in those circumstances, and that is a fatal, correctable tendency that is snowballing on him.

 

Del Zotto may fall down, redirect a puck with his skate through his goaltender's legs, or get outmuscled by Tkachuk but those are 'mistakes'/thingsI can live with.

What Hutton  is doing falls in the category of mental mistakes - ie correctable and necessary to correct errors - which is why they're worth pointing out.

He's probably playing bigger minutes - and minutes that otherwise would be handled by Gudbranson - which could also be exacerbating his problems - but puck moving is supposed to be his strength, so he's going to need to work this out, otherwise, having him in the lineup doesn't necessarily make sense - I'd consider going with Biega under the circumstances.  Bulldog plays in one direction - there is no pause, panic, or fear in his game.

 

Hutton is not making the simple plays. He makes one too many moves with the puck in the D-zone and turns over the puck or tries to make a cute play to avoid icing or force a outlet pass when it's not there.

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6 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I'm not crapping on Gagner, I've even defended his role a little bit on other threads, but you have to admit his effort has been pretty underwhelming on too many nights and there's no excuse for that. Last night should be a bit embarrassing for him too on that play, he's supposed to be a skilled veteran and he looked like rookie Jake on that one. 

Not saying he played like an all star. But this hapens when a guy is tasked with playing over his head with bigger, harder minutes against better competition. It's the same 'problem' Edler gets crucified for on here. 

 

A lesser player tasked with playing the minutes and assignments of a better one is not going to look good. It's not rocket dentistry. 

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23 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Not saying he played like an all star. But this hapens when a guy is tasked with playing over his head with bigger, harder minutes against better competition. It's the same 'problem' Edler gets crucified for on here. 

 

A lesser player tasked with playing the minutes and assignments of a better one is not going to look good. It's not rocket dentistry. 

I'd much rather have Granlund play with Boeser and whoever is going to be our LW with Baertschi's absence. 

 

Goldobin/Granlund/Boeser

Gagner/Dowd/Vanek

Gaunce/Chaput/Virtanen

Sedin/Sedin/Eriksson

 

I'm going to have to think Goldobin is going to be playing a lot more in the next upcoming games. This should be a good test for him.

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22 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said:

I hear you. I certainly hope it's not the case though. 

I 've been thinking that for a while. But his time is running out. I hope he puls through this because he is a big body. I am usually overboard patient. But good reply.  ty

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The game is not too bad, just loss in the last few minutes.

Gaunce line is out of expectation, keep it up.

 

Any updated of Baer?

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12 hours ago, oldnews said:

he has to be always aware of getting back to cover, regardless.

 

and presently he and Gaunce are starting in their own end the vast majority  of the time, which hasn't 'neutered' him, so I doubt being responsible two ways on more tilted ice will 'neuter' him either.  is not playing with a playmaker neutering him?   I think you're matching J.R. for reduction,.

 

You are missing the point. He is thriving with Gaunce because Gaunce is such a grafter and so defensively responsible. (Gaunce also plays a clever but simple game which Jake probably feeds off) 

Put him back with the Sedins and he is again trying to work out what they need him to do due to their specialist type of game and he becomes confused and ultimately neutered as has been said by others.

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5 hours ago, aGENT said:

Not saying he played like an all star. But this hapens when a guy is tasked with playing over his head with bigger, harder minutes against better competition. It's the same 'problem' Edler gets crucified for on here. 

 

A lesser player tasked with playing the minutes and assignments of a better one is not going to look good. It's not rocket dentistry. 

Exactly. It's not like we have not already seen an example of it and probably why TG put an end to that particular experiment.

Anyway Loui is doing just great with the Sedins.

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On 2017-12-09 at 9:45 PM, We_Are_All_Canucks_4_life said:

right now the team is still way ahead of where i thought we would be this year. i would rather be low and get a high pick this year then the playoffs and lose right away.

The Canucks have 2 wins more than they did after 30 games last season and you know how that turned out. So a few more points in the standings is "way ahead" of where you thought they would be? Damn you must have thought the Canucks were going to finish with less than 60 pts this season.

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11 hours ago, aGENT said:

Not saying he played like an all star. But this hapens when a guy is tasked with playing over his head with bigger, harder minutes against better competition. It's the same 'problem' Edler gets crucified for on here. 

 

A lesser player tasked with playing the minutes and assignments of a better one is not going to look good. It's not rocket dentistry. 

except in this case I think Gagner isn't playing up to his ability either even when we were healthy, I'm not expecting anything more than a top 9 guy I just think he's been playing poorly even to that level. He seems to alternate bad years with good ones if you look at his year to year stats, so we may have to wait until next season to get production out of him.  

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12 hours ago, aGENT said:

Not saying he played like an all star. But this hapens when a guy is tasked with playing over his head with bigger, harder minutes against better competition. It's the same 'problem' Edler gets crucified for on here. 

 

A lesser player tasked with playing the minutes and assignments of a better one is not going to look good. It's not rocket dentistry. 

Or the science of orthodontistry. CDC whipping boys of days gone by such as Yannick Weber, Jayson Megna, Herberts Vasilyevs etc. were thrust into roles above their pay grade to the great displeasure of all.

Perhaps we should compile an all time list of CDC whipping boys. Might help us while away these next few difficult weeks.

 

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7 hours ago, alfstonker said:

You are missing the point. He is thriving with Gaunce because Gaunce is such a grafter and so defensively responsible.

You are deluding yourself. 

Virtanen has had good underlying numbers his entire time here, including his rookie season.

He's been a very good puck hound since the day he arrived here.

None of this depends upon Gaunce.

You're under the same illusion Guardian is.

He and Gaunce make very good linemates - but you're the one missing the point and that isn't it.  Engaging with you is a one and done for me though - have your final word stonker.

 

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Jake has 5 of his 7 points this year playing with the Sedins.

Produced at a considerably higher rate with them than anyone else.....but has been stymied....by playing with the Sedins.

Cool stories some people like to tell themselves, but the outcomes don't agree.

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1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

except in this case I think Gagner isn't playing up to his ability either even when we were healthy, I'm not expecting anything more than a top 9 guy I just think he's been playing poorly even to that level. He seems to alternate bad years with good ones if you look at his year to year stats, so we may have to wait until next season to get production out of him.  

I can 'generally' agree with that. I'm sure, like Eriksson last year he, his team mates, coaches management and us fans would all prefer he was having a better year. Especially offensively. 

 

That said, for a $3m/3 year contract, people are expecting FAR too much IMO. He's basically being paid low, middle 6 money and is only here for 2.66 years in all likelihood until prospects start arriving/cover some of the eventual loss of the twins. He's certainly not out-playing his contract like Vanek but he's not the absolute nightmare scapegoat CDC is making him out to be. He's versatile, veteran depth the coach can utilize virtually anywhere in the forward lineup. Unfortunately right now, that means in a position far over his head/pay grade.

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6 minutes ago, aGENT said:

I can 'generally' agree with that. I'm sure, like Eriksson last year he, his team mates, coaches management and us fans would all prefer he was having a better year. Especially offensively. 

 

That said, for a $3m/3 year contract, people are expecting FAR too much IMO. He's basically being paid low, middle 6 money and is only here for 2.66 years in all likelihood until prospects start arriving/cover some of the eventual loss of the twins. He's certainly not out-playing his contract like Vanek but he's not the absolute nightmare scapegoat CDC is making him out to be. He's versatile depth the coach can utilize virtually anywhere in the forward lineup. Unfortunately right now, that means in a position far over his head/pay grade.

maybe the "magic" happens when its him and Del Z on the ice at the same time? SG's not all that far off his career averages in most areas, but that -11.... and the completely un-subjecitive eye test :P 

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1 hour ago, PistolPete13 said:

Or the science of orthodontistry. CDC whipping boys of days gone by such as Yannick Weber, Jayson Megna, Herberts Vasilyevs etc. were thrust into roles above their pay grade to the great displeasure of all.

Perhaps we should compile an all time list of CDC whipping boys. Might help us while away these next few difficult weeks.

 

there is the infamous

 

Raymond, Ballard and a 1st.   A two-for-one whipping boy deal.

 

Edler has been a favorite whipping boy   Vey definitely had his days.  Sbisa dominated, particularly among the analytics gurus.

 

 

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1 hour ago, oldnews said:

there is the infamous

 

Raymond, Ballard and a 1st.   A two-for-one whipping boy deal.

 

Edler has been a favorite whipping boy   Vey definitely had his days.  Sbisa dominated, particularly among the analytics gurus.

 

 

Don't forget the 'foundational whipping boy' Sutter :lol:

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5 hours ago, oldnews said:

Jake has 5 of his 7 points this year playing with the Sedins.

Produced at a considerably higher rate with them than anyone else.....but has been stymied....by playing with the Sedins.

Cool stories some people like to tell themselves, but the outcomes don't agree.

Says the guy who blamed Hutton for a goal just because he found the boards with a pass he made under pressure.

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3 hours ago, alfstonker said:

Says the guy who blamed Hutton for a goal just because he found the boards with a pass he made under pressure.

says the guy that attempts to blame Stecher and Granlund for that mistake

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