Will not hurt this team to miss the playoffs and draft well

[MrCanuck94]

44 minutes ago, bloodycanuckleheads said:

Read what I said.  I didn't say 'the 6th overall pick', I said 'top-6 picks'.  When you add the other 5 picks like you should have done, you will see that my 70% claim is actually correct.

How are the picks % of the players picked before a team's pick even relevant to the situation at all..

 

30 minutes ago, bloodycanuckleheads said:

You guys are all saying that our first-round picks have been so wonderful, well which line-up would you rather have right now:

 

Pettersson

Juolevi

Boeser

Virtanen

McCann

 

or

 

Pettersson

Tkachuk

Boeser

Ehlers

Pastrnak

 

If you said the former, you are lying.

 

EDIT:  Oh, and before you say I'm cherry-picking - most all of those guys were the top-ranked player at the time we selected, and we chose to go with a lower-ranked player instead.  That list is the players we should have had, not some pie-in-the-sky hindsight is 20/20 type of list.

I was on the draft Ehlers bandwagon during the draft in 2014 btw, and I didn't care who we picked from Juolevi/Sergachev as long as it was a d-man. I saw what JB saw in Jake, a kid with potential to be a Iginla/Doan impact. It's hard to guess 18 year olds and he could still develop into a solid player. If you redo that draft, that whole top 5 changes with 3/4 of the players getting pushed out of the top 5. But then again, in 10 years maybe not. Hindsight is 20/20.

[-AJ-]

16 minutes ago, erkayloomeh said:

But how good is Finland best league?  And I would hope he's doing better than "well" at this point. 

OJ is a player I'm a little worried about. 

If OJ was doing as well as he is now in his draft year, he'd probably be the consensus 1st pick. Obviously it's his +2 year, but I was more worried about him last year when he didn't improve in the OHL. Finland is much harder to play in than the OHL and he's performing at a similar level, so it's positive sign.

[Nuxfanabroad]

Virtanen

Boeser

OJ

EP

 

Great cast overall. Really happy with our '14~2017 1st rounders. Can't believe people would cry about our incoming youth.

[Smashian Kassian]

I don't mind Juolevi as much as the Virts pick. Juolevi hasn't been as impressive as McAvoy/Serg so far but you dont draft guys to be good the very next season. He still has alot of upside IMO. Virts on the otherhand, I get what they see in him but I think it was a big miss for a rebuilding team where they didn't get the BPA, i'd argue it was obvious at the time aswell.

 

For the sake of the team I do hope I'm eating crow re: Virtanen at some point down the road but we will see.

[VegasCanuck]

6 hours ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

It was a great start to the season... we all saw what potential there is in this team.

 

The young guys got a taste of winning... the Sedins looked fresher from playing fewer minutes and playing those minutes against weaker opposition lines... and Eriksson showed his contract isn't as much of an albatros as we all feared.

 

But its time to be realistic... with two of our best offensive sparkplugs gone for the expected length of time, the chances of making the playoffs is slim.

 

But that ain't entirely a bad thing.  There was a chance of this team peaking too early... like Calgary seems to have done... like the Coilers... (with help from the worst management in NHL history)

 

Canucks could use another year of high drafts... JB has shown his ability to find nuggets of pure gold even when drafting in the 23rd position.

 

And if we are sellers at the deadline, we have lots of valuable commodities... with his season so far, Vanek could bring in a nice draft choice.

 

Don't get me wrong, I am not advocating for a tank... the coach should be pushing this team to compete, but realistically a playoff spot probably won't happen.

 

Whatever way it turns out, I am happy with how the team is developing and the way the  future looks. 

Completely agree. We are going the right direction, just need some more of the kids to develop and make the team. We have an incredible depth of talent that is coming up and nearly ready to start playing.

 

Future really looks bright!

[canuktravella]

sorry i still think we might make playoffs 6 weeks for baertchi and bo isnt that long  i still have faith. Sutters back soon as long as we try hard  il be happy no blow outs   and boeser keeping scoring pace up please guys a stud 

[TonyStrecher]

Juolevi is still on track to become a top pairing d-man in my opinion. His points per game of 0.7 in the Finish League is the second best all-time by a U20 d-man and the best since 1980. There aren't a ton of world class players on the list, but a few of the names he's ahead of are Teppo Numminen, Kimmo Timonen, Joni Pitkanen, Sami Vatanen and Miro Heiskanen.

 

Had most people been asked last year what they thought of the two picks ahead of Juolevi, Dubois and Puljujarvi, they likely would have said they were both bad picks. Dubois is playing amazing in the NHL now and Puljujarvi is looking pretty good too. Different players take different amounts of time to develop. 

[shazzam]

1 hour ago, bloodycanuckleheads said:

You guys are all saying that our first-round picks have been so wonderful, well which line-up would you rather have right now:

 

Pettersson

Juolevi

Boeser

Virtanen

McCann

 

or

 

Pettersson

Tkachuk

Boeser

Ehlers

Pastrnak

 

If you said the former, you are lying.

 

EDIT:  Oh, and before you say I'm cherry-picking - most all of those guys were the top-ranked player at the time we selected, and we chose to go with a lower-ranked player instead.  That list is the players we should have had, not some pie-in-the-sky hindsight is 20/20 type of list.

 

I bet every team would like to go back in time and make some different draft choices. It's not possible to pick the best player every  time. I would say the only top pick that has burned us so far is Virtanen. I can see why Benning went with a player like Virtanen though. He can still become a complimentary piece in the top 6. He needs to be able to play a straight line physical game along with some skilled players

[70seven]

3 hours ago, bloodycanuckleheads said:

OK, so let's add that up...

 

Boeser:  chosen 23rd - now valued 6 = a rise of 17 spots

Pettersson:  chosen 5th - now valued 3 = a rise of 2 spots

Juolevi:  chosen 5th - now valued 10th to 12th = a fall of 5 to 7 spots

Virtanen:  chosen 6h - now valued 25th to 35th = a fall of 19 to 29 spots

 

That's a average loss almost 3 spots per selection!  That's turning all your 5th overalls into 7th and 8th overalls.

 

 

By that logic, should we factor in Demko, Gaudette, Lind, Gadjovic, Tryamkin, and Forsling?

[gobi]

To everyone who are saying all the picks who are performing in the NHL while Juolevi is still developing…do you not remember the Horvat vs Nichuskin comparison? It's not about who got the leg up first. 

[MattJVD]

Remember Boston's 2015 draft? 3 first rounders in a row:

13th Zboril

14th Debrusk

15th Senyshyn

 

Right after that:

16 Barzal

18 Chabot

20 Eriksson Ek

23 Boeser

 

That one has to sting

 

Oh, and these are the same scouts who picked Pastrnak and McAvoy. Nobody gets it right with every pick, nobody.

[gobi]

I'd have picked Nylander over Virtanen but I understand the reasoning behind picking Virtanen. He's still developing and I think he's one of those pieces that you need when you get to the playoffs

[PuckYa]

10 minutes ago, shazzam said:

 

I bet every team would like to go back in time and make some different draft choices. It's not possible to pick the best player every  time. I would say the only top pick that has burned us so far is Virtanen. I can see why Benning went with a player like Virtanen though. He can still become a complimentary piece in the top 6. He needs to be able to play a straight line physical game along with some skilled players

 

Exactly, how does Buffalo feel about not taking Draisatl. Or Calgary (Bennet), NYI (Dal Colle), Carloina (Fleury) feel. 

Larkin #15 & Pastranek #25 well more than half & almost all the teams missed those. Not just Canucks. 

 

 

 

#1	Florida Panthers	Aaron Ekblad (D)	4	256	43	65	108	160
#2	Buffalo Sabres	Sam Reinhart (C/RW)	4	197	45	56	101	24
#3	Edmonton Oilers	Leon Draisaitl (C/RW)	4	217	58	100	158	54
#4	Calgary Flames	Sam Bennett (C/LW)	4	189	35	39	74	132
#5	New York Islanders	Michael Dal Colle (LW)
#6	Vancouver Canucks	Jake Virtanen (RW)	3	91	11	10	21	47
#7	Carolina Hurricanes	Haydn Fleury (D)	1	26	0	4	4	6
#8	Toronto Maple Leafs	William Nylander (C/RW)	3	134	33	62	95	40
#9	Winnipeg Jets	Nikolaj Ehlers (LW/RW)	3	184	53	72	125	69
#10	Anaheim Ducks	Nick Ritchie (LW)	3	137	19	22	41	133
#11	Nashville Predators	Kevin Fiala (LW/RW)	4	88	17	19	36	28
#12	Arizona Coyotes	Brendan Perlini (LW/RW)	2	84	22	9	31	30
#13	Washington Capitals	Jakub Vrána (LW/RW)	2	50	11	7	18	4
#14	Dallas Stars	Julius Honka (D)	2	25	1	4	5	6
#15	Detroit Red Wings	Dylan Larkin (C/LW)	3	189	44	56	100	97
#16	Columbus Blue Jackets	Sonny Milano (LW/RW)	3	32	5	6	11	4
#17	Philadelphia Flyers	Travis Sanheim (D)	1	26	0	4	4	12
#18	Minnesota Wild	Alex Tuch (RW/C)	2	31	7	8	15	8
#19	Tampa Bay Lightning	Anthony DeAngelo (D)	2	47	5	10	15	39
#20	Chicago Blackhawks	Nick Schmaltz (C/LW)	2	87	11	34	45	14
#21	St. Louis Blues	Robby Fabbri (C/LW)	3	123	29	37	66	52
#22	Pittsburgh Penguins	Kasperi Kapanen (RW/LW)	3	20	1	0	1	2
#23	Colorado Avalanche	Conner Bleackley (C)
#24	Vancouver Canucks	Jared McCann (C/LW)	3	116	14	19	33	47
#25	Boston Bruins	David Pastrnak (RW)	4	199	73	77	150	72
#26	Montréal Canadiens	Nikita Scherbak (RW/LW)	2	5	1	0	1	0
#27	San Jose Sharks	Nikolay Goldobin (RW/LW)	3	27	5	2	7	2
#28	New York Islanders	Joshua Ho-Sang (RW)	2	40	6	16	22	14
#29	Los Angeles Kings	Adrian Kempe (LW/RW)	2	55	12	11	23	22
#30	New Jersey Devils	John Quenneville (C/W)	1	12	1	3	4	2

[gobi]

11 minutes ago, MattJVD said:

Remember Boston's 2015 draft? 3 first rounders in a row:

13th Zboril

14th Debrusk

15th Senyshyn

 

Right after that:

16 Barzal

18 Chabot

20 Eriksson Ek

23 Boeser

 

That one has to sting

Benning: There are still 13 picks ahead of us. There's no way we are getting Boeser. 

 

Walks up to the podium and silently thanks Boston

[shazzam]

Boeser 

7 minutes ago, MattJVD said:

Remember Boston's 2015 draft? 3 first rounders in a row:

13th Zboril

14th Debrusk

15th Senyshyn

 

Right after that:

16 Barzal

18 Chabot

20 Eriksson Ek

23 Boeser

 

That one has to sting

 

Oh, and these are the same scouts who picked Pastrnak and McAvoy. Nobody gets it right with every pick, nobody.

Looking back at that draft, it's not too far fetched to say Boeser falls in the 3-4 range

[Junkyard Dog]

Only pick you could really be upset at is Virtanen.

 

Juolevi isn't as nearly a big of a loss. Especially when you compare it to what other teams lost.

 

If this month goes to the gutter than we should consider selling. If one more key player is lost we are hooped.

 

Good job we've got some assets to sell.

[gobi]

6 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

Only pick you could really be upset at is Virtanen.

 

Juolevi isn't as nearly a big of a loss. Especially when you compare it to what other teams lost.

 

If this month goes to the gutter than we should consider selling. If one more key player is lost we are hooped.

 

Good job we've got some assets to sell.

I hope we can sell MDZ, Gagner, Burm, Edler, and maybe Gudbranson…but that's maybe too drastic

[70seven]

We can all agree that benning missed on Virtanen.

 

overall however he has done a masterful job drafting for this franchise.  We currently boast the best group of prospects we’ve ever seen in this organization, and I’m not exaggerating.

 

ive been a die hard fan since 1990.  This group that’s coming along is going to be a very good core group.  All we really lack is that top pair RHD that can drive offence, and some grit. 

 

 

[MattJVD]

55 minutes ago, gobi said:

Benning: There are still 13 picks ahead of us. There's no way we are getting Boeser. 

 

Walks up to the podium and silently thanks Boston

Yeah, I wonder where JB and the scouts had Boeser ranked? The 10 to 15 neighborhood? They were  sure surprised he fell to us.

[MattJVD]

2 hours ago, shazzam said:

Boeser 

Looking back at that draft, it's not too far fetched to say Boeser falls in the 3-4 range

With the early look, I'd say top 5 for sure. It'll be a few more years before it's clear.

 

Edit: Wow, crazy that was only two years ago and already 10 players have over 100 NHL games played. Hanafin is closing in on 200.