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On ‎2017‎-‎12‎-‎13 at 5:27 PM, petmar74 said:

Interesting stuff there gaurdian. I wonder about all these extra points being handed out. But automatically making it a tie when a game is decided in OT/shootout doesn't completely make sense to me. In the era of ties teams still had a chance to win in OT. OT lengths also changed over the years. There just wasn't a point handed out to the loser of the game. Which leads me to this point system has been all wrong since the NHL brought in this extra point. How can different games have different points handed out during any regular season games? 

Love the quick record check!

Nice work AJ!

Prior to overtime in the regular season ties were counted as one point and neither a win or a loss. The supposed intent, the Bettman stated, was to reduce the number of ties in the game, to encourage teams to play to win in regulation. The opposite happened, more teams now play for the sure point and then go for the extra point.

 

Adjusted worst seasons by Canucks, win percentage without OT/SO wins

 

2013 - 2014 - 48 W, 12 in OT/SO. adj - .439 win percentage, .616 points percentage

2014 - 2015 - 31 W, 9 in  OT/SO. adj - .268 win percentage, .457 points percentage

2015 - 2016 - 30 W, 11 in OT/SO adj - .232 win percentage, .451 points percentage

 

2014/2015 & 2015/2016 are the all time worst win percentage years in Canuck history.

 

Three previous worst seasons.

 

1971 - 1972 - .308

1972 - 1973 - .340

1998 - 1999 - .354

 

This is WIN percentage, NOT POINTS percentage

 

This year so far is looking better 15 W, one in OT/SO. adj - .424 win percentage.

 

Just to put these stats in context, The Canucks have had 25 years UNDER .500

 

 

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1 minute ago, TheGuardian_ said:

Prior to overtime in the regular season ties were counted as one point and neither a win or a loss. The supposed intent, the Bettman stated, was to reduce the number of ties in the game, to encourage teams to play to win in regulation. The opposite happened, more teams now play for the sure point and then go for the extra point.

 

Adjusted worst seasons by Canucks, win percentage without OT/SO wins

 

2013 - 2014 - 48 W, 12 in OT/SO. adj - .439 win percentage, .616 points percentage

2014 - 2015 - 31 W, 9 in  OT/SO. adj - .268 win percentage, .457 points percentage

2015 - 2016 - 30 W, 11 in OT/SO adj - .232 win percentage, .451 points percentage

 

2014/2015 & 2015/2016 are the all time worst win percentage years in Canuck history.

 

Three previous worst seasons.

 

1971 - 1972 - .308

1972 - 1973 - .340

1998 - 1999 - .354

 

This is WIN percentage, NOT POINTS percentage

 

This year so far is looking better 15 W, one in OT/SO. adj - .424 win percentage.

 

Just to put these stats in context, The Canucks have had 25 years UNDER .500

 

 

It's a bit flawed to remove the entire 2 points in an OT/SO win. From the early 80s onward, the OT games would be the same, more or less, and all shootout wins would just be ties, thus 1 point, not 2. For games further back, all the 2 point OT wins would be converted into 1 point ties. Win percentage on it's own is like half a stat--it counts ties as losses, which isn't a particularly accurate assumption. Point percentage is a much better read on a team's performance and is what has been used for the entirety of NHL history, as the NHL had ties right from the get go in 1917.

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The Canucks website previously had an excellent Canucks historical record book.

 

That's going back at least 10 years though. I'd love to see them bring something like that back for their fans.

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21 hours ago, -AJ- said:

Point percentage is a much better read on a team's performance and is what has been used for the entirety of NHL history, as the NHL had ties right from the get go in 1917.

Until they added the extra point, before 82 points in 82 game schedule equaled .500 or half way, 16th out of 32 teams.

 

Now something around 92 to 95 points is needed to be half way between the top team and the bottom team depending upon the number of OT/SO games. Now .500 means a team is 4 to 6th worst in the league.

 

 

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39 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said:

Until they added the extra point, before 82 points in 82 game schedule equaled .500 or half way, 16th out of 32 teams.

 

Now something around 92 to 95 points is needed to be half way between the top team and the bottom team depending upon the number of OT/SO games. Now .500 means a team is 4 to 6th worst in the league.

 

 

Yep, the standards have definitely changed with the addition of three-point games with OT in 1999-00 (just looked it up).

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25 minutes ago, -AJ- said:

Yep, the standards have definitely changed with the addition of three-point games with OT in 1999-00 (just looked it up).

That is why I put the "economist's" comment, it was about money. In the states .500 is the difference between a winning team and a losing team in most major sports, which makes selling a "winning" team much easier to market and get bums in the seats.

 

Last year only 4 teams were under .500, 27 were "winners", over .500.

 

This year the Nucks could finish over .500, have the fans told/sold they are much improved and still finish in the bottom 5 of the league.

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Here's the spread sheet I work off of (not an expert on Google docs, but we'll see if it works):

 

Canuck stats

 

I have a playoff tab that is a work in progress.  Can't decide to keep it beside the regular season stats or it's own tab.

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On ‎2017‎-‎12‎-‎12 at 7:58 PM, nuck-lifer said:

This is a great reference for Canuck's stats. Excellent work here!

 

So many stand out as a surprise, but the Dan Cloutier's Save% and  wins gets my attention, since i remember nothing but criticism with Cloutier's play including myself.

#lovestats

 

Image result for dan cloutier beach ball

Bounced off the crossbar and out as I recall...

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Updated:

 

All Skaters:

Career Games (Henrik)

Career Goals (Daniel)

Career Assists (Henrik)

Career Points (Henrik)

^All of the above for just forwards too.

 

Career Powerplay points (Henrik) among forwards and all skaters

 

Extra things of note: 

- Edler has scored one more powerplay point, putting him just three behind Kearns for that old record (140 to 143)

- Boeser will have to perform well to break records, even just within his position, as he's a right wing, and we all know what other right wing had a great Canuck rookie season. 34 goals, 31 assists, and 60 points are the records to break for right wings. Among all skaters, he has to beat Dale Tallon's 42 rookie assists, the oldest Canuck record, set in the inaugural season of 1970-71.

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Love the stats! Three point conversation? Would like more opinions. Why does the league hand out more points  total in a regular season game than other regular season games where there is a straight up winner? So if you win without going to OT why don't you get three points? When the league hands out three points in winner and loser games if the game goes extra time/innings/crunch time/OT.

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49 minutes ago, petmar74 said:

Love the stats! Three point conversation? Would like more opinions. Why does the league hand out more points  total in a regular season game than other regular season games where there is a straight up winner? So if you win without going to OT why don't you get three points? When the league hands out three points in winner and loser games if the game goes extra time/innings/crunch time/OT.

I personally think a three-point system would be best. Give some sort of benefit to winning in regulation over winning in OT. We already have ROW for winning in OT over Shootout, so that's solved, but I'd like an incentive to win in OT instead of OT as well, and a three-point system is the best way to handle that.

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Updated (1/29/18):

 

All Skaters and Forwards:

Career Games (Henrik - 1297 Games)

Career Goals (Daniel - 381 Goals)

Career Assists (Henrik - 813 Assists)

Career Points (Henrik - 1052 Points)

 

All Skaters and Forwards:

Career Powerplay Goals (Daniel Sedin - 133 PPG)

Career Powerplay Points (Henrik Sedin - 363 PPP)

 

Defensemen:

Career Powerplay Points (Alex Edler - 144 PPP) NEW RECORD HOLDER

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2 minutes ago, Tyndall2 said:

Is there a record kept for the best and worst plus/minus over a full season?

I don't value +/- terribly highly, so I didn't put it on my database, but for your interest's sake, Daniel Sedin and Christian Ehrhoff tied for the best +/- as Canucks with +36 in 2009-10 and Jack MacIlhargey has the record for the worst +/- with -45 in 1977-78.

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On 12/12/2017 at 10:55 AM, -AJ- said:

 

 

 

Some interesting bits I found:

- The oldest single-season player record is assists by a defenseman, set by Dennis Kearns in 1976-77 with 55 assists

- The oldest career stats player record is also assists by a defenseman, set also by Dennis Kearns with 290 assists in 1980-81

- In Vancouver's inaugural season, Dale Tallon set marks for a rookie defenseman that have still not been beaten today, making them the oldest Canuck records in any category

- The oldest career special teams record is by Dennis Kearns for powerplay points by a defenseman with 143, set in 1980-81. Alex Edler is just four powerplay points behind with 139 and could soon break this old record. 

- Despite the 80s being hyper-offensive, the Canucks were better in the early 90s, so their highest goals-per-game came in 1992-93

- The Canucks apparently had a crazy good powerplay in 1982-83

Dennis Kearns was THE whipping boy for several seasons. He got zero respect from the negative side of our fan base. Small ( 5'9" ? ), soft ( not a big plus in the Broad Street bully era. )

 

CDC would have howled at the moon if was playing today. They would forget about Weber, Megna, Raymond  etc..

 

Kearns was a great Canuck !

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 12/12/2017 at 10:55 AM, -AJ- said:

 

 

 

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All Skaters:

Career Games (Henrik)

Career Goals (Daniel)

Career Assists (Henrik)

Career Points (Henrik)

^All of the above for just forwards too.

 

Career Powerplay points (Henrik) among forwards and all skaters

 

Extra things of note: 

- Edler has scored one more powerplay point, putting him just three behind Kearns for that old record (140 to 143)

- Boeser will have to perform well to break records, even just within his position, as he's a right wing, and we all know what other right wing had a great Canuck rookie season. 34 goals, 31 assists, and 60 points are the records to break for right wings. Among all skaters, he has to beat Dale Tallon's 42 rookie assists, the oldest Canuck record, set in the inaugural season of 1970-71.
 

 

 

 

Updated (1/29/18):

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 


All Skaters and Forwards:

Career Games (Henrik - 1297 Games)

Career Goals (Daniel - 381 Goals)

Career Assists (Henrik - 813 Assists)

Career Points (Henrik - 1052 Points)

 

All Skaters and Forwards:

Career Powerplay Goals (Daniel Sedin - 133 PPG)

Career Powerplay Points (Henrik Sedin - 363 PPP)

 

Defensemen:

Career Powerplay Points (Alex Edler - 144 PPP) NEW RECORD HOLDER
 

 

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, SingleThorn said:

Dennis Kearns was THE whipping boy for several seasons. He got zero respect from the negative side of our fan base. Small ( 5'9" ? ), soft ( not a big plus in the Broad Street bully era. )

 

CDC would have howled at the moon if was playing today. They would forget about Weber, Megna, Raymond  etc..

 

Kearns was a great Canuck !

Reminds me of Edler somewhat. Set many records, but not highly respected.

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Updated again: 

 

All Skaters and Forwards:
Career Games (Henrik - 1319 Games)

Career Goals (Daniel - 391 Goals)

Career Assists (Henrik - 824 Assists)

Career Points (Henrik - 1063 Points)

Career Powerplay Goals (Daniel Sedin - 137 PPG)

Career Powerplay Points (Henrik Sedin - 368 PPP)


Defensemen:
Career Points (Alex Edler - 326 Points) NEW RECORD HOLDER

Career Powerplay Points (Alex Edler - 149 PPP)

 


Team:
Most recent 5 goal differential (Feb 17, 2018 vs Boston Bruins, 6-1) 

Most recent 6 goal differential (Feb 11, 2018 vs Dallas Stars, 6-0)

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