underrated Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 I'm proposing three trades, aimed to be realistic and focus on rebuilding. You'll notice in the deals that I'm not just making proposals for the top prospect of the other teams. While that would be nice, these deals seem like realistic values for our players being traded, and fit our needs of prospect depth with high end potential. Trade Idea #1: Flyers - Canucks To Philadelphia: Jake Virtanen To Vancouver: Travis Sanheim Why for Philadelphia: Philadelphia has a great young defense corps, the problem is that they're all left hand shooters. Therefore Sanheim, their first round pick in 2014 (17th overall) is forever stuck behind Gostisbehere and Provorov unless he switches to the wrong side of the ice. They trade him, a solid asset, in return for a big strong tough young player who fits the Broad Street Bully mentality. While the Flyers are a decent team this year, they're also not going to trade youth for veterans, so this deal is a swap of young players. Why for Vancouver: Virtanen never quite developed into the top line player the Canucks hoped for when drafting him 6th overall in 2014, and has been slightly passed in prospect value by Sanheim. The Canucks also are lacking higher end prospects defensively and Sanheim projects to be on the second pair left side behind Juolevi for a long time. Trade Idea #2: Leafs - Canucks To Toronto: Erik Gudbransson (3.5 mil), Markus Granlund (.975 mil) To Vancouver: Leo Komarov (2.95 mil expiring contract), Jeremy Braco (RW - 2015 2nd round pick), Carl Grundstrom (LW - 2016 2nd round pick) Toronto has over 4 million in cap space before this deal. Why for Toronto: Right now the Leafs are second in the Atlantic Division and have clearly turned the corner to be a competitive team, rather than being in full rebuild mode. They have done a really good job with prospect depth (read here: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs-prospect-report-intriguing-group-ahl-defencemen/). This deal allows them to strengthen two areas of need, without giving up any high end piece. Komarov has an expiring $3 million contract, and has only 7 points in 32 games this year. Braco is struggling to even see playing time in the minors so he's better off developing elsewhere. Grundstrom is currently on loan in Sweden. With Gudbransson, they fill out their defensive depth with a real quality defender given the fact that he'll be third pairing with Polak, behind Rielly and Gardiner. Gudbransson also provides a lot of flexibility with his expiring contract. If they like him, they'll have a time to see him in their lineup and re-sign him, or if they don't think there is no commitment beyond this year. Granlund is an upgrade on Komarov, helping with their depth, and on another flexible contract as a RFA after this season, at a much lower cost than Komarov. Why for Vancouver: With Gudbransson a pending UFA, and Granlund never really establishing himself on the top two lines, the Canucks add two pieces to their rebuild in exchange for two pieces that probably aren't long term options. We could re-sign Gudbransson, as he's still young, but adding two recent second rounders helps a lot with prospect depth. Neither Braco or Grundstrom are overwhelming prospects but both can develop into good NHLers. Grundstrom is the type of hard working, team first player that you want to battle with you. Braco has never found a home with the Leafs but a quality winger prospect. Trade Idea #3: To New York Islanders: Jacob Markstrom, To Vancouver: Thomas Greiss, Kieffer Bellows (LW - 2016 first round pick), 2018 3rd round pick Why for New York Islanders: The Islanders are first in their division, and also need to have a strong season to convince Tavares to stay afterwards. I almost made this deal a lot larger including Tanev as well but decided to keep it simple. Offensively they're great but in net they are struggling mightily. Halak has been okay, and is on an expiring contract. Greiss has been HORRIBLE, with an .870SV% and shocking 3.72 GAA. His contract is almost identical to Markstroms, in length and price, so they dump his contract while getting a much better and much younger goalie, both for this season and the next few. This is their main area of need, plus they dump a bad contract, and it doesn't cost them top prospects Barzal or Ho Sang. Why for Vancouver: Adding Kieffer Bellows adds a scoring power forward, a recent 19th overall pick. He's been great with the Portland Winterhawks this year. The Canucks also get a third round pick to help rebuild the prospect cupboard. Nilsson has been great this season, and Demko is clearly the long term goalie of the future. With this deal, Demko takes over #1 spot, and the Canucks try to get Greiss' confidence back. He can backup Nilsson until Demko comes around. Thoughts on the values? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowtieCanuck Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Pretty sure no one was ever expecting Virtanen to be a Brock Boeser type.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 1. no thanks we have to many left d already and i like jakes jam he is gonna develop into a hard hitting scoring forward. 2. if we trade guddy i wanta first and a prospect for him. Granlund is worth more than b level prospects 3. bellows is a good prospect cant see markstrom getting this kid. heres 4 trades at deadline and 3 signings in summer that revamp team 1. tanev for 1st and liljegren 2. edler for detroit 1st rounder 3. vanek for a 3rd 4th at deadline 4. hutton for a winger prospecf resign tryamkin, guddy and kane july 1st for freee kane bo boeser baertchi petersson eriksson virtanen sutter goldobin gaudette gaunce dahlen mcewen del zotto guddy juolevi tryamkin pouliot liljegren stecher nilsson marky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucklehead73 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 I like virtanen. Sounds like the to proposal is for spare parts although kormarov is a decent grinder. Greiss has been a decent goalie for the islanders if I recall... they are giving up a lot for an upgrade? in net... dunno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 I could see the first trade happening if management gives up on Jake, realistic looking in terms of value in return (depth guy in a position of strength who could still flourish if given more minutes). Hope Jake still does blossom as a straight-line power guy with the team though. No thanks to the 2nd trade, at least not to trading Granny right away. If the team can't re-sign Guddy then they'll probably get a prospect and pick back but the Swiss Army knife that is Markus should stay. He's valuable depth wherever he plays. The third one looks pretty good, just wish they had a center prospect to deal. I'd even take Beauvillier if the Isles would offer him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captaincowbasher Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 13 hours ago, canuktravella said: 1. no thanks we have to many left d already and i like jakes jam he is gonna develop into a hard hitting scoring forward. 2. if we trade guddy i wanta first and a prospect for him. Granlund is worth more than b level prospects 3. bellows is a good prospect cant see markstrom getting this kid. heres 4 trades at deadline and 3 signings in summer that revamp team 1. tanev for 1st and liljegren 2. edler for detroit 1st rounder 3. vanek for a 3rd 4th at deadline 4. hutton for a winger prospecf resign tryamkin, guddy and kane july 1st for freee kane bo boeser baertchi petersson eriksson virtanen sutter goldobin gaudette gaunce dahlen mcewen del zotto guddy juolevi tryamkin pouliot liljegren stecher nilsson marky Tanev deal would be 2nd and JVR, and Edler is no longer worth a 1st from any team except Tampa Bay, Vanek will get a 2nd, and you don't move really good young puck moving defender like Hutton when he can be part of the core moving forward. our right on the Tram, Guddy and Kane- all three players up our JAM factor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 5 hours ago, captaincowbasher said: Tanev deal would be 2nd and JVR, and Edler is no longer worth a 1st from any team except Tampa Bay, Vanek will get a 2nd, and you don't move really good young puck moving defender like Hutton when he can be part of the core moving forward. our right on the Tram, Guddy and Kane- all three players up our JAM factor... id take a first from tampa all day. tanev for a ufa and a second not a chance first and a grade a defence prospect 20 other teams would overbid your price on leaf deal we need a offensive right hand dman and ppqb watch us get bowey or liljegren at deadline tanev would consolidate leafs or caps in east not sure it would stop tampa winning cup the are hard number 1 fav in east ducks in west if kess getzlaf get healthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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