Seeing the bright side, and why you should too...

[EoH]

Hockey gods just trying to present us Dahlin on a silver platter because the Canucks were always the home for some kickass swedes... they just want us to have another swede for the next decade or so. 

[DefCon1]

47 minutes ago, hanzolo said:

Even if we tank to the bottom, I want to see our guys competing and playing hard every night. If our guys finish the season with a losing mentality, any rookies who earn a spot the next season will be coming into a bad environment. I really hope Green can keep pushing the players regardless of how bad we do.

I doubt you will see players like Gagner competing and playing hard every night, especially since he is an ex Coiler and has that loser mentality ingrained in his brain. 

[Rob_Zepp]

5 minutes ago, DefCon1 said:

The Canucks can't win the major prizes like 1st overall in the draft or winning the cup. while other franchises seem to have all the luck like the Oilers winning cups in one era then winning 4 1st overall picks in another era and getting McDavid. 

Your location says Burnaby - you get to live on the West Coast of the most beautiful province in the best country in the world versus in a bug infested (summer) fridge (winter) that may have a few cups and wasted first round picks, but they still have to live there.    
 

Would you rather live in paradise or have a bunch of first round picks?   

[Nucker 67]

26 minutes ago, D-Money said:

9 times out of 10, this is the way to go.

 

However, this year, we absolutely HAVE to take a D-man in the 1st round. Heck, I'd support taking a D man with almost every pick this year.

 

For the first time in years, we have prospect forwards with star potential (Boeser & Pettersson), young players on the team who are already legitimate top-6 forwards (Horvat & Baertschi), and a number of other prospects with top-6 potential (Gaudette, Dahlen, Goldobin, etc.). And Demko-Dipietro is a solid foundation in goal.

 

But Juolevi is the ONLY D prospect we have with even a hint of top-pairing potential...in fact, he's the only one with even legitimate top-4 potential. We desperately need more.

I agree with this, for the most part. The Canucks need future top end D badly. As you said, all they have as a top prospect is Juolevi, but they might also have something in Brisebois, Chatfield and Rathbone, and maybe even Tryamkin comes back (although I'm not holding my breath). But this is certainly not enough and it is a long shot that anyone other than Juolevi can become that player. Canucks look almost set in their forwards group of prospects/younger players:

 

- Horvat

- Baertschi

- Virtanen

- Boeser

- Gaunce

- Pettersson

- Dahlen

- Gaudette

- Gadjovich

- Lind

 

Could also include Lockwood, MacEwen and Palmu. I didn't include Granlund or Goldobin, as I don't think they'll be Canucks for long.

 

They can build around this, but they'll need top end D and great goaltending. Demko could be a great player, so there is hope there, but they really do need to target Ds in the 2018 Draft. Good thing there's lots of them expected to go in the 1st round. Fingers crossed for Dahlin. Who knows, maybe Benning swings a deal to get another 1st. Not to be greedy, but 2 Ds in the 1st round would be great.

 

[DADDYROCK]

PEOPLE,please take the word "TANK" out of your vocabulary.

The oilers and maple leafs  and sabers have used up all the tanking so much so they had to change the rules.

 

Now it is by sheer luck that you can LOTTO DRAFT a decent team.Look at the last 2 years for example,our favorite team (THECANUCKS) has been screwed both years and teams that were much better(AMERICAN TEAMS OF COURSE) got better picks than the CANUCKS.

 

So "tanking" isn't the proper thing to do and the amount of injuries this club has endured over the past few years (if one team in the east bitches about travel I'll puke) has put us in a very bad way.The Comet fans must be pissed that half that team is here in Vancouver trying to hang on to this season ,but alass,we are DONE.

 

Hope for some good luck(for a change) at the LOTTO DRAFT is our only hope.BUT WE WILL NEVER  SURRENDER OR "TANK".

[coastal.view]

sorry but  i really find it difficult to share your excitement level over such a large chunk of the best players on the team being injured

you'd clearly be just as happy if the coach just benched these same players to achieve your tank nirvana

it's poor sportsmanship and a bit of a defeatist attitude

 

i am more inclined to have the team address this problematic injury culture that now exists on this team

it is out of step with the rest of the league

 

i was more excited about this team when it was actually playing well and competing this season

[smithers joe]

the word tanking just makes me think we are taking away the players incentive to win. if fate drops to the bottom, then okay. 

[smithers joe]

17 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

I agree with this, for the most part. The Canucks need future top end D badly. As you said, all they have as a top prospect is Juolevi, but they might also have something in Brisebois, Chatfield and Rathbone, and maybe even Tryamkin comes back (although I'm not holding my breath). But this is certainly not enough and it is a long shot that anyone other than Juolevi can become that player. Canucks look almost set in their forwards group of prospects/younger players:

 

- Horvat

- Baertschi

- Virtanen

- Boeser

- Gaunce

- Pettersson

- Dahlen

- Gaudette

- Gadjovich

- Lind

 

Could also include Lockwood, MacEwen and Palmu. I didn't include Granlund or Goldobin, as I don't think they'll be Canucks for long.

 

They can build around this, but they'll need top end D and great goaltending. Demko could be a great player, so there is hope there, but they really do need to target Ds in the 2018 Draft. Good thing there's lots of them expected to go in the 1st round. Fingers crossed for Dahlin. Who knows, maybe Benning swings a deal to get another 1st. Not to be greedy, but 2 Ds in the 1st round would be great.

 

i agree with you but i think granlund is an important piece for us. i might be wrong but that what i think.

[canucksnihilist]

The bloody team isn't cursed.  Do you also believe in witches, santa clause, god (well that one some of you probably do), and the fairy god mother?  How about All the Indian gods and Chinese gods?  Or are they all the same under some unknown power in the universe that people fear / worship / love?  Funny how money follows this practice and sometimes appears to be the most important facet of the practice (or as that power... hard to keep them separate sometimes isn't it?)

 

There is no such thing as a curse.  Other teams have had terrible luck with injuries too.  There is no reason to believe that the Canucks are singled out.  At least no logical reason.  Do you think that some particular witch put a curse on the Canucks?  Which one and for which reason?  Be specific please!  hahaha!  good luck with that one.  

 

Do you really believe there are nefarious forces at work that we have no control over that govern our lives (besides the government and multi-national corporations of course - which of course would have no care in the world about the canucks winning percentages).  It's great to believe that you aren't in control of your lives, as it is much easier that way, but really... a curse?  

 

roll 2 6-sided dice 20 times.  is it possible to never get 12?  Would you think you were cursed if it didn't happen?  What if it happened 5 times, would you assume the gods were on your side? 

 

Tangible spiritual evidence would be required, and last time I checked, that is extremely hard to come by - aka impossible.  By the very nature of faith there is no tangible evidence at all.

 

So - $&!#ty news for the injuries, hate to see it happen - the bright side is none of the injuries are career-threatening.  but its not a curse.  nor is the SCF losses.   And maybe we can get lucky in the lottery this year as a silver lining.  

 

 

 

[FireGillis]

44 minutes ago, DefCon1 said:

We could've still had the tank and Boeser winning the Calder. Also even if we end up last, somehow we will pick 4th overall. So tanking won't guarantee anything like a 1st overall pick.

Getting another top 5 pick like last year will be a successful tank year to me. I want to win the lottery, but realize it's unlikely and a huge bonus if we win. It's all about protecting how far you can fall. Finishing 29th last year guaranteed us no worse than 5th overall and Pettersson. I'll take that any day of the week. My tanking hopes don't solely rest on winning the lottery, but getting a top 5 pick again. 

[canuckleface77]

15 minutes ago, coastal.view said:

sorry but  i really find it difficult to share your excitement level over such a large chunk of the best players on the team being injured

you'd clearly be just as happy if the coach just benched these same players to achieve your tank nirvana

it's poor sportsmanship and a bit of a defeatist attitude

 

i am more inclined to have the team address this problematic injury culture that now exists on this team

it is out of step with the rest of the league

 

i was more excited about this team when it was actually playing well and competing this season

This made me actually giggle.  

 

It's looking on the bright side.  I'm not excited or wishing anything on anyone, but go ahead, interpret it how you wish lol.

 

And "problematic injury culture"? Ummmm...you are saying that the Canucks have an injury culture? What is that? Like, the culture of the team caused Brock to block that shot with his foot?

[HC20.0]

2 hours ago, smithers joe said:

to tank, means to lose on purpose. i wouldn't wouldn't follow a team that set themselves up to lose on purpose. if the team is trying to win but lose, then high draft picks are a reward. constant losing does things to the players. people talk about hope. the players need to have hope too. they need to feel that in every game, they have a chance to win. they need confidence that, they can win. you never want losing to be your mindset. 

Well said. This is why teams like Buffalo or Arizona (And Edmonton to an extent) are still struggling. When you throw games and get into that losing mentality, it gets engrained in you, and it's hard to come out of. 

 

Also it's just disrespectful to the game. I can't cheer for the Sabres after their 2014-15 tank jobs. 

[Qwags]

Let's be honest, we're not going to tank. We're just going to be that bad.

[Gnarcore]

Frankly what I want at this point is to keep enough cap space to throw a massive deal at Doughty in 1.5 years time.  Bring the talented youth we have upfront right. Bolster them with solid veteran depth and spend on the backend.  

 

If we get Dahlin all bets are off otherwise go with the above. 

[Rush17]

this topic seems comical now  with boeser, bo, and sven out.  maybe its for the best. the hockey gods have intervened for our own greater good. it's all part of the grand design. 

[oldnews]

 

[Darius]

The biggest positive that may come out of this mess, aside from a higher draft pick, may be that Jake emerges from this as a better player. I get the feeling that he will be seeing more than 10 minutes a night, and now that coach/management has nothing to lose they might play him in more situations.  Hopefully he can pop in a few and get on a roll.

[xereau]

I don't care who goes down, I just want to see heart and soul.  That sad sack effort last night, and two games ago... UGH.  Suck it up, buttercups!

[-DLC-]

My concern is this:  what impact will these injuries have on the long term future of these players?  How will it weaken them and what if their recovery doesn't get them back to where they were?  I'm sure they will, but I'm worried.

 

Brock and Bo, in particular.  It's been a LONG time since we've had the excitement that these two can generate and I, for one, was LOVING it.  Even if we weren't going to win the cup, hockey was SUPER FUN to watch with them in the line up.  It's now momentarily lost its lustre for me.  I will trudge along for the ride and am in for the long haul, but this really is awful to me.  It's so not me to abandon hope, so it's a tough pill to swallow.  I like a team that wins, even if they don't "win it all".  I don't just watch for the outcome and we were seeing some (intermittent) fun hockey.  It was all over the map, but there was a glimmer of hope each game.

 

I know there's a silver lining in this....but, with our luck and the NHL odds, that usually turns to dust.

 

The future includes these guys for me, so it's hard for me to go on in a business as usual way when they are suffering and have to heal.  That part is horrible and, at least in the moment, I'm stuck there.  They were generating some great confidence and momentum that's now come to a grinding halt.   And their return will involve a process of getting back up to speed.

 

Hate to rain on the parade and I do appreciate the half full glass but, at the moment, it's hard for me to see any good in this.

 

Plus, I envision our line up looking something like this in the New Year (tongue in cheek, love my team, just feeling a little Eeyore today):

 

"LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, INTRODUCING YOUR VANCOUVER CANUCKS"....

 

MAGICAL SCORING ELF – GAGNER - DEB FROM SECTION 307 who won this opportunity guessing where a donut was

SEDIN – SEDIN - ERIKSSON this line will play 58 minutes/game

VANEK wearing a go pro - GRANNY (we’re recruiting Grannies now, they're TOUGH AS NAILS – BURMI (only allowed in the offensive zone)  

GAUNCE who will never ever score again.  EVER – DOWD (related to Jim?) - VIRTANEN wearing a goal net

 

ON RESERVE:  VERN the security guard from the zamboni entrance – JOE season ticket holder since 1970 – EDNA Joe’s wife

UBER DRIVER – MICKEY who got lost on his way to the casino – APRICOT earned a spot

 

 

EDLER (when he awakens from his nap) – POULIOT

TANEV (I injured him typing this) – HUTTON (does he still play for us?)

MDZ –STECHER (these two will take on guys 3 times their size age)

 

Marky - Nilsson (both of them, together at the same time…”you cover the right side, I’ve got the left”

 

 

I appreciate the optimism, but am having a hard time even spelling it today....

[TheGuardian_]

These injuries should allow the prospects some time in the NHL, to get an idea of the pace and to show the fans the future.