Canuck Surfer Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I stated earlier, the measure on BPA is usually if one guy is un-guardable, the other is. I don't lament missing out on Tkachuk's older brother for example. He's skilled, competitive, clever even with the puck (surprisingly so), effective. But he does not have blinding speed, or jaw dropping puck skills. A good D can guard Matthew Tkachuk. I have no problem picking an excellent defensive prospect. Laine is too fast, too big, too strong, shoots the puck too well. Brady is closer to a BPA you would have a hard time ignoring. He's bigger, a better athlete, just as competitive. Borderline and more compelling where you might not pass on him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 12 minutes ago, BoeserSnipe said: At number 2 you'd take a Rafalski over a Malkin? wow...if you said a guaranteed Duncan Keith or PK Subban ok.....but we have no need for an undersized one way dman especially in the west You do know Rafalski was a top 10 defenseman in the league during his time right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoeserSnipe Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Pears said: You do know Rafalski was a top 10 defenseman in the league during his time right? who were his partners? Niedermayer Lidstrom Pretty sure alot of his performance had to do with his partners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Honestly, any one of Zadina, Svechnikov, or Boqvist would be a beautiful pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggieBush Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, AlwaysACanuckFan said: Or The next Erik Karlsson in Boqvist. We have never seen a player like Orr until we saw Erik Karlsson. And your going to say that there are 2 Franchise defining defensemen in this draft? Boquist is good, reminds me of a slighter OEK, but his defensive game is suspect at best. 1 minute ago, BoeserSnipe said: At number 2 you'd take a Rafalski over a Malkin? wow...if you said a guaranteed Duncan Keith or PK Subban ok.....but we have no need for an undersized one way dman especially in the west Svechnikov is not Malkin. Malkin was a PPG at 18 in Russia, Svechnikov is barely a PPG player on a stacked Barrie team. Also Malkin has an edge about his game that Svech doesn't have. Hughes ain't perfect, but in every game I have seen of his this year (About 15) he makes about 5-6 plays that are absolutely staggering, ridiculously clever, or just special. He has that ability to just carry the puck as he pleases and do whatever he wants with it. That is so special Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuporbust Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 No more Russians period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggieBush Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, BoeserSnipe said: who were his partners? Niedermayer Lidstrom Pretty sure alot of his performance had to do with his partners. Both of those guys are HOF'ers. But to say that was not among the games best is foolish. He was the best dman at the 2010 winter olympics as a 38 year old for christs sake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biasbieksa Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 54 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: Chicago won the Toews, Kane & Hossa. Still had room for Seabrook, Hjalmarsson & Keith on D. Depends if you have decent ELC players in the bottom 6, bottom pair to make that affordable. Well. Lets pretend Toews = horvat.. Kane = Boeser and Hossa = Pettersson. (In terms of Salaries) That would leave us to pay 2 D-man larger salaries. Perhaps Juolevi and another D-man. Perhaps another highly paid winger is not the way to go. That being said. I do believe in BPA and maximizing your pick to get a solid player. But It seems to me the Canucks are in need of Quality D-men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuporbust Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 22 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: I stated earlier, the measure on BPA is usually if one guy is un-guardable, the other is. I don't lament missing out on Tkachuk's older brother for example. He's skilled, competitive, clever even with the puck (surprisingly so), effective. But he does not have blinding speed, or jaw dropping puck skills. A good D can guard Matthew Tkachuk. I have no problem picking an excellent defensive prospect. Laine is too fast, too big, too strong, shoots the puck too well. Brady is closer to a BPA you would have a hard time ignoring. He's bigger, a better athlete, just as competitive. Borderline and more compelling where you might not pass on him... this years Tkachuk plays more like his Dad. U think the elder is a dick on the ice ,wait for younger brother. He will be a very good addition to whoever is lucky enough to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysACanuckFan Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, ReggieBush said: We have never seen a player like Orr until we saw Erik Karlsson. And your going to say that there are 2 Franchise defining defensemen in this draft? Boquist is good, reminds me of a slighter OEK, but his defensive game is suspect at best. Svechnikov is not Malkin. Malkin was a PPG at 18 in Russia, Svechnikov is barely a PPG player on a stacked Barrie team. Also Malkin has an edge about his game that Svech doesn't have. Hughes ain't perfect, but in every game I have seen of his this year (About 15) he makes about 5-6 plays that are absolutely staggering, ridiculously clever, or just special. He has that ability to just carry the puck as he pleases and do whatever he wants with it. That is so special Like I said in my initial post I'd be happy with either Boqvist or Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoeserSnipe Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 25 minutes ago, ReggieBush said: We have never seen a player like Orr until we saw Erik Karlsson. And your going to say that there are 2 Franchise defining defensemen in this draft? Boquist is good, reminds me of a slighter OEK, but his defensive game is suspect at best. Svechnikov is not Malkin. Malkin was a PPG at 18 in Russia, Svechnikov is barely a PPG player on a stacked Barrie team. Also Malkin has an edge about his game that Svech doesn't have. Hughes ain't perfect, but in every game I have seen of his this year (About 15) he makes about 5-6 plays that are absolutely staggering, ridiculously clever, or just special. He has that ability to just carry the puck as he pleases and do whatever he wants with it. That is so special I have seen Svech play 25 game live and TV - not just the world juniors. I live in Toronto and got to Barrie games frequently. The kid will be as good as Malkin I have had the eye test, you look at his points in the world Juniors lol - have a read if you dont believe me https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2017/10/25/16483054/2018-prospect-profile-andrei-svechnikov quote " Further, he is so good that there are murmurs and whispers that he could become the best Russian-born forward since Ovechkin/Malkin. At worst, he is probably the best Russian forward we've seen since Tarasenko, Kucherov, Panarin, and Kuznetsov. One thing is for certain: Svechnikov is hands-down, indisputably the best forward in this draft, and a very good consolation prize if you miss out on Rasmus Dahlin. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenhodgejr Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Anyone else have that feeling that this is our year to win the draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoeserSnipe Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, kenhodgejr said: Anyone else have that feeling that this is our year to win the draft? dont curse it....and I can't bear to see Linden have that blank look in his eyes again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camel Toe Drag Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I think this is where we get our premier dman. If not I'll take Tkachuk. Its evident as ever right now that we need heart and soul players who will show up every night. He does that and he can kick his brothers butt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 hour ago, BoeserSnipe said: who were his partners? Niedermayer Lidstrom Pretty sure alot of his performance had to do with his partners. Lol I can tell you never watched Rafalski in his prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 hour ago, cuporbust said: this years Tkachuk plays more like his Dad. U think the elder is a dick on the ice ,wait for younger brother. He will be a very good addition to whoever is lucky enough to get him. I think Matthew has already won more than his dad ever did? Compelling talent Keith. Selfish player and person. I personally like Brady as a prospect quite a bit. More than Matthew. 59 minutes ago, BoeserSnipe said: I have seen Svech play 25 game live and TV - not just the world juniors. I live in Toronto and got to Barrie games frequently. The kid will be as good as Malkin I have had the eye test, you look at his points in the world Juniors lol - have a read if you dont believe me Earlier in the show I asked for your opinion. Thanks for sharing > I appreciated your response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agoork Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 If we draft top 5, we win - period. Any one of those guys would look fabulous in a Canucks uniform. Take BPA and hopefully JB makes some trades and acquires some extra picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I'd trade the second overall pick to NYI for Calgary's first round pick, their own first and a decent prospect. Hoping the Flames continue to suck, which would make their pick in the top 6-10 range and the Islanders' pick in the 10-15 range. Then draft Veleno and Bouchard, with those two picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agoork Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 44 minutes ago, shiznak said: I'd trade the second overall pick to NYI for Calgary's first round pick, their own first and a decent prospect. Hoping the Flames continue to suck, which would make their pick in the top 6-10 range and the Islanders' pick in the 10-15 range. Then draft Veleno and Bouchard, with those two picks. That's certainly interesting, but risky. You never know which players will be available when you pick later. I guess if there are lots of players you'd be happy with later in the 1st round, it makes it a no brainer. Looking at the 2017 draft, would you (as Philly) trade Nolan Patrick for (NYR) Andersson and Chytil? or for (VGK) Glass and Braanstrom? Patrick is good, but is he so good that you say no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 If we get 2nd overall take boqvist. Intrigued to get another sniper along with boeser, but boqvist is dhalin lite, controls the play and can bring the play up to the offensive zone so I take Guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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