PhillipBlunt Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just now, oldnews said: Hayden needs to be part of any deals we cut with Chicago. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bissurnette Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just now, timberz21 said: It's not about who the Canucks like better and who they wants to keep. If the Hawks inquired about MDZ, it's because they him, otherwise they would have inquired about Hutton. Bottom line is, it all depends on the return. MDZ is under contract, is NHL calibre and can help while we transition to the new core, so I don't think the Canucks would trade him away for a 5th,6th or 7th pick....however, if the offer is even remotely close to Burrows or Hansen, we have to consider it. Well we don't have to trade Hutton to the Hawks. You can bet if we're looking to trade a Dman, and Hutton's the one being shopped there would be interest from a couple of teams. Even if the return on MDZ is a decent prospect, you still need bodies in the NHL and he's a valuable one to have. I'm not saying he's untouchable but IMO, we shouldn't part ways unless it's a significant return (aka a 1st and a A/B level prospect). He's young, serviceable, and a good puck mover with some grit. I believe he is our most physical Dman - so he's not redundant or someone that can easily be replaced on the backend with our group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, oldnews said: Hayden needs to be part of any deals we cut with Chicago. This ×100! Anyone who has watched the hawks this year will agree that this guy is a force in one way or another EVERY SINGLE GAME. Kid hits hard. Plays D. Appears on the scoresheet. Damn you for getting my hopes up lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, 73 Percent said: This ×100! Anyone who has watched the hawks this year will agree that this guy is a force in one way or another EVERY SINGLE GAME. Kid hits hard. Plays D. Appears on the scoresheet. Damn you for getting my hopes up lol. Who knows about hopes, but Chicago is seldom shy about making moves for the present - for good reason. And if they want a top 4...with term - who fits their needs, is affordable....then pay up. They also have some 'heaviness' in their forward group as is - Bouma, Hartman, even Wingels... who knows if they'd move Hayden, but they did just assign him in favour of Jurco, so here's to taking him on as a 'project' lol. They can have Gagner as well if they're willing.....(not a shot at Gagner, but he may have utility to them, cap space aside....may have to get creative). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluralsight Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Del Zotto for Gustav Forsling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 If the price is right I am down, although I do like what MDZ brings. Goes to show how much other teams value Hutton, which seemingly isn't much at all. Wonder what they are willing to part with for MDZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Every player is available for the right price and MDZ is no exception. With that said, it would suck in the short term to have one of our top two producers taken out of the lineup, since our scoring from the blueline is already pretty pathetic. But let's face it - we're not making the playoffs this year anyway so tanking just a little more for a return isn't a bad thing, and the fact is that with Stecher, Pouliot, Edler and Hutton, we already have enough second-tier defensemen. We need top 3 guys at this point, so I'd like to see something coming back that helps us potentially get there and they don't really have anyone to offer on defense besides Jokiharju which I imagine they don't want to give up given their lack of defensive prospect depth. I agree that Hayden looks like the only player we'd really want from them otherwise. Not sure how that would factor for the Hawks either since they aren't obvious to make the playoffs as it stands and are probably heading for a rebuild themselves. About Jokiharju though... perhaps we give them Goldobin and MDZ for Jokiharju. Maybe that'd be enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just take whatever you can get for a team worst -18 Tanev +6 Stecher -3 Gudbranson -2 edler -2 Hutton -3 del zotto -18 When you’re that drastically different in plus/minus comparison to the other top 6 it’s not a fluke, it’s consistent poor play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silky mitts Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 He’s a wreck defensively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, billabong said: Just take whatever you can get for a team worst -18 Tanev +6 Stecher -3 Gudbranson -2 edler -2 Hutton -3 del zotto -18 When you’re that drastically different in plus/minus comparison to the other top 6 it’s not a fluke, it’s consistent poor play nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 minute ago, billabong said: Just take whatever you can get for a team worst -18 Tanev +6 Stecher -3 Gudbranson -2 edler -2 Hutton -3 del zotto -18 When you’re that drastically different in plus/minus comparison to the other top 6 it’s not a fluke, it’s consistent poor play You forget to take into account, that MDZ was the only healthy d man the Canucks had for a long period. Tanev was out, Stecher was out, Edler was out, and Gubranson was out. Doesn't leave much in the way of NHL defense, when those guys are missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 SOLD. Well As long as NHL ready clendening isnt the return. Would be Funny to get Frosling back.lol. Canucks are in no position to turn down any reasonable offer on almost every current roster player. (Boeser Horvat virtanen would be my only untouchables on the current roster.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, johngould21 said: You forget to take into account, that MDZ was the only healthy d man the Canucks had for a long period. Tanev was out, Stecher was out, Edler was out, and Gubranson was out. Doesn't leave much in the way of NHL defense, when those guys are missing. Exactly. MDZ has been a workhorse that has had to step up every time the team has been depleted on the blueline, and half that time they've also been without their top 6 centers, who also make a huge difference to the team defense. Del Zotto's +/- is meaningless - no NHL team would look at that with the kind of relevance casual fans do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish⑦Canuck Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 30 minutes ago, Nicklas Bo Hunter said: Eat seabrook contract to get better futures. I wouldn't actually be against this idea if it netted us a better return. Seabrook also isn't the player that he used to be, but he's a solid veteran presence to have on the team and a Lower Mainland guy as well. Yes, he gets paid far too much but we're not going to be contending for at least 3 to 4 seasons imo. The Sedin contracts are coming off the books this year as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 56 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: When Del Z was signed one of the things that was talked about is how having 1 extra year on his deal could be a desirable thing for teams looking for more than just a rental. further to this, it's possible that MDZ and JB had the reverse agreement of what a limiting clause would effect - ie. MDZ and JB may have agreed that if the Canucks were in playoff contention that he'd remain, but failing that, that they'd agree to move him to a playoff team to enable him to compete in the postseason (hence those comments and the extra year of term that gives MDZ some security/certainty. In other words he might have an unwritten PTC - a please trade clause lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, oldnews said: Exactly. MDZ has been a workhorse that has had to step up every time the team has been depleted on the blueline, and half that time they've also been without their top 6 centers, who also make a huge difference to the team defense. Del Zotto's +/- is meaningless - no NHL team would look at that with the kind of relevance casual fans do. Which would be why Stan (ah let's not kid ourselves, it's really Scotty) Bowman is inquiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, oldnews said: further to this, it's possible that MDZ and JB had the reverse agreement of what a limiting clause would effect - ie. MDZ and JB may have agreed that if the Canucks were in playoff contention that he'd remain, but failing that, that they'd agree to move him to a playoff team to enable him to compete in the postseason (hence those comments and the extra year of term that gives MDZ some security/certainty. In other words he might have an unwritten PTC - a please trade clause lol. you know this probably was in the discussions between his agent and JB ahead of time. Probably happened with Gagner too but he probably held firm on 3 years to get some stability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 I'll do Kane 50% retained for Duration for MDZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: you know this probably was in the discussions between his agent and JB ahead of time. Probably happened with Gagner too but he probably held firm on 3 years to get some stability. Holy crap, Jimmy! What happened to your face? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 minute ago, PhillipBlunt said: Holy crap, Jimmy! What happened to your face? sorry doing some live editing... i should probably get the image right first eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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