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2 minutes ago, riffraff said:

Fair enough.

 

but....lol

 

its not just the jets game.  We got pushed around in Edmonton and played small against a small team in Montreal.

 

its a common theme.

OK fair as well.  I also did not watch the Edmonton game.

 

And it was a reply to a respondent more or less saying we need, and used the term, good Canadian kids.  Was on the anti Benning camp.  I have my critique of Benning.  But am not there by any stretch.

 

I also believe in supporting the boys we have.  At least after a not bad game...  

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1 hour ago, canuckleheads fan said:

What's funny is that I don't hear all the screaming for firing Green the way we did for WD on this board, yet this is a VASTLY more talented team than the Canucks iced the past two seasons. Don't get me wrong, I'm not calling for another coaching change, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy on CDC regarding whipping boys.  

Exactly....give WD Boeser, Vanek, Gagner, MDZ and Pouliot instead of Skille, Megna, Chaput, Sbisa and Larsen and last years team would have been vastly improved.

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17 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Ryan White & Scottie Upshall were PTO's. Upshall whom I believe made our squad isnt quite as big, but opted to go back to St Lou when injuries opened a space for him?

 

He was rumoured in on Lucic the year before.

  

 

Me personally I was calling for Okposo, Lucic or Brouwer when we landed Ericsson. And making the point that only Bo was over 200 lbs in our top 6 two years ago. I do understand the idea.  Similarly, I encourage the Evander Kane concept this summer.  

 

Its a fair critique of the build of our current roster. If efforts have been made, we have yet returned an adequate result that has landed on our roster. 

Erikkson was a bad idea from the word go. Clearly Lucic was just looking for a free meal from Benning two years ago, and had made his mind up to join McDavid in Deadmonton.

I'm hoping that Kane is still intent on being a Canuck like I had heard before. I could have seen him signing with Buffalo before the GM made the asking price public.

 

Benning does need to address the overall identity of the roster though, as it still is one that isn't a cohesive one. The veteran presence has little to no pushback (never really did), and the young guys are still playing under their tutelage for the most part.

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17 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

It only matters if you don't have enough skill (or not too many guys well on the downsides of their career) on the team.  Do I want a player with both a ton of grit & skill?  Of course; but right now, we're lacking in skill (which takes a while to "restock"/"reload"/"whatever you want to call it").  A bit of luck (good luck that is) would help - something which this franchise hasn't had since 1999 (HORRIBLE draft year & Burkie gets two HHOFers).

Skill is essential in hockey, no doubt. However, if you have an insanely skilled team whose blueprint is to avoid Gargamel at all costs, other teams will pick up on this and pound you with impunity.

 

Skilled players fair a hell of a lot better if they have teammates who will protect them and make those who take liberties with them, pay for it.

 

I harken back to the series against the Bruins, and how easy it was for them to take the Sedins out of the series by repeatedly hitting them. Give the Canucks a couple of behemoths and an invisibility cloak with the officials, and there is a different outcome.

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7 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Skill is essential in hockey, no doubt. However, if you have an insanely skilled team whose blueprint is to avoid Gargamel at all costs, other teams will pick up on this and pound you with impunity.

 

Skilled players fair a hell of a lot better if they have teammates who will protect them and make those who take liberties with them, pay for it.

 

I harken back to the series against the Bruins, and how easy it was for them to take the Sedins out of the series by repeatedly hitting them. Give the Canucks a couple of behemoths and an invisibility cloak with the officials, and there is a different outcome.

Fair enough; I remember back in 1982 when we had a team chock full of "meat & potatoes".  Heck, if I was going into a dark alley with those guys; I know I'd be coming out the other end alive.  Only problem was, that Islanders team had not just "grit" but tons of skill as well.

 

Back when Colin wasn't evil heh:

 

 

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17 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Erikkson was a bad idea from the word go. Clearly Lucic was just looking for a free meal from Benning two years ago, and had made his mind up to join McDavid in Deadmonton.

I'm hoping that Kane is still intent on being a Canuck like I had heard before. I could have seen him signing with Buffalo before the GM made the asking price public.

 

Benning does need to address the overall identity of the roster though, as it still is one that isn't a cohesive one. The veteran presence has little to no pushback (never really did), and the young guys are still playing under their tutelage for the most part.

Pretty sure any Kane deal will include a guaranteed contract extension.  If Kane isn't traded, expect him in Vancouver.  I hope to hell Benning doesn't give anything up for him though.  Eriksson was a no brainer.  38 goals the year before.  Two way specialist, great mentor to teaching young guys his game.  But he has been a listless waste of space man, I have NO IDEA what his effin problem is.  I would like to see him bought out this summer.

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Just now, NewbieCanuckFan said:

 

Fair enough; I remember back in 1982 when we had a team chock full of "meat & potatoes".  Heck, if I was going into a dark alley with those guys; I know I'd be coming out the other end alive.  Only problem was, that Islanders team had not just "grit" but tons of skill as well.

 

Back when Colin wasn't evil heh:

 

 

A really solid combination is essential, for sure. I think Benning is looking at arming the team in the future with as many different strengths as possible. When I look over the players drafted, they are in all sizes and capabilities.

 

I can see this boding extremely well for the future. I just hope that the next batch of players that Benning signs from free agency aren't as average and middle of the road as the types he's signed recently.

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1 minute ago, xereau said:

Pretty sure any Kane deal will include a guaranteed contract extension.  If Kane isn't traded, expect him in Vancouver.  I hope to hell Benning doesn't give anything up for him though. 

I can't see Benning trading for Kane, what with the asking price being what it is. I haven't heard about there being a requisite contract extension being part of any trade for Kane. Seeing as how he's a UFA at season's end, I'd think that would be his own personal stipulation.

1 minute ago, xereau said:

Eriksson was a no brainer.  38 goals the year before.  Two way specialist, great mentor to teaching young guys his game.  But he has been a listless waste of space man, I have NO IDEA what his effin problem is.  I would like to see him bought out this summer.

Eriksson was what was left after Lucic went to Edmonton, in my mind. I think he's the type of player that needs others to stabilize his game. Highly doubt that he's bought out. I would hope that he is somehow traded so that this team can move into the future without him.

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43 minutes ago, xereau said:

Pretty sure any Kane deal will include a guaranteed contract extension.  If Kane isn't traded, expect him in Vancouver.  I hope to hell Benning doesn't give anything up for him though.  Eriksson was a no brainer.  38 goals the year before.  Two way specialist, great mentor to teaching young guys his game.  But he has been a listless waste of space man, I have NO IDEA what his effin problem is.  I would like to see him bought out this summer.

Unfortunately there is zero chance Eriksson will ever get bought out. See photo. :(

 

 

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4 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

This reads of sour grapes?

 

We've acquired Gudbranson, drafted Virtanen, Gadjovich, traded for Dorsett, hell, Prust???   Without a pugilistic side we also drafted Gaudette and Lockwood almost exclusively for the Kesler like feist in their game. Lind it was part of the equation.   I'm pretty sure the concept of a team with a completive edge is part of the plan.  After too many losses, people complain about pushback. Some of those moves have not worked out. but you cant drop the program, go trade Baertschi for muscle because a fan like you panics. Wants Don Cherry good Canadian kids?

 

We lost to a team that took 8 years to build as a big, fast strong & talented team. By one goal. We're 4 years into such a rebuild ourselves. There is clear indication what you want is on the to do list. Unfortunately, you have to wait. Some of our moves will work out. Some will not. There will be bad nights. Tonight, yesterday actually, was really not that bad. 

Either we both have different definitions of sour grapes or you are posting to someone else.

 

Answer me this. How would this team fair against the 2011 Bruins? I wasn't talking about the Jets game, I quoted the coach and remarked on how many times I had heard it before.

 

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54 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Erikkson was a bad idea from the word go. Clearly Lucic was just looking for a free meal from Benning two years ago, and had made his mind up to join McDavid in Deadmonton.

I'm hoping that Kane is still intent on being a Canuck like I had heard before. I could have seen him signing with Buffalo before the GM made the asking price public.

 

Benning does need to address the overall identity of the roster though, as it still is one that isn't a cohesive one. The veteran presence has little to no pushback (never really did), and the young guys are still playing under their tutelage for the most part.

Ok we agree, but blame a different source... :P

 

What you are saying is the issue should be solved in vets, between trades & free agents. I thin that's what you are saying?  I do agree that should be possible.  It does take being smart.  At Vanek's price tag, but with oomph...  Pat Maroon will cost more, but will also be an option?

 

I blame drafts where we picked Shinkaruk, Hodgson, even Gaunce even though he is 220lbs, Jensen.  Not that you should get muscle in the first round? But it does illustrate, and these were the years that drafted guys SHOULD be our veterans now, that pushback was not being drafted as a priority for a long time.  Worse, until we drafted Horvat, all of these guys were ''skill'' guys who also were criticised for not being great athletes.  Horvat was not a great skater, but was 212 and finished top 6 in aerobic fitness out of 100 athletes at the combo's. By comparison, Green took one look at Shinkaruk in the AHL and told him he was wasting his time trying to go wide on AHL D. He was not fast enough period!  I argue that it is not just pushback, but all those years, and we were neither big, nor fast, NOR having pushback.

 

If Shinkaruk was blowing past Matt Martin in the NHL, his coach would be sitting him because he could not handle the match up.  

 

What I am saying, is we are just still, oh gawd, still going through the hangover of bad drafting period.  The single biggest difference with our new scouting regime is we are starting to draft guys who are better athletes. As they arrive, pushback & the speed that nullifies big lugs, will start to resolve.

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I just can't see Kane signing here even though its his hometown and there have been hints of him being interested in signing here. He went through the lean years in Atl/Wpg only to be traded to an even worse Sabres team. Canucks are realistically 2-3 years away from playoff consistency and 5-6 from contention of any kind and Kane would only likely sign a 6 year deal and possilby be jettisoned just as the Canucks might be contending. There are a few good teams in the middle of the salary cap pack that are closer to possibly contending that might be a more attractive destination to someone who has basically been on a bottom feeding team his whole career. I'm thinking Columbus or San Jose maybe the Islanders depending what happens with JT and Bailey heck even Colorado or Vegas (we know how EK loves Sin City).

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WHEN there's a brew-har-har breaking out, how many of your 18 skaters will stand on the perimeter, looking for a familiar counterpart to hang on, & discuss families/kids/all star game nostalgia, etc...

 

A roster should have perhaps 3(?) of these sorta' skill-guys, to baby-sit & carry.

 

What do we have..perhaps 8 or 9???

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12 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

WHEN there's a brew-har-har breaking out, how many of your 18 skaters will stand on the perimeter, looking for a familiar counterpart to hang on, & discuss families/kids/all star game nostalgia, etc...

 

A roster should have perhaps 3(?) of these sorta' skill-guys, to baby-sit & carry.

 

What do we have..perhaps 8 or 9???

Indeed and another 4 or 5 currently marinating in Scandinavia and upstate New York.

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