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OTTAWA – Ontario Progressive Conservative Leader Patrick Brown is facing serious allegations of sexual misconduct from two women who spoke to CTV News. In interviews, the women allege inappropriate behavior by the rising political figure throughout his tenure as an elected official.

One was still in high school when she says Brown, a well-known Barrie politician, asked her to perform oral sex on him.

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Ontario Progressive Conservative Leader Patrick Brown speaks at a press conference on Wednesday, Jan. 24, 2018.

The other, a university student who worked in his office when Brown was a federal Conservative MP, alleges Brown sexually assaulted her following an event she helped organize.

Brown's lawyer has responded, saying that Brown "categorically denies these false and defamatory allegations."

In a hastily-called evening news conference, Brown further addressed the allegations.

“First I want to say these allegations are false. Categorically untrue. Every one of them. I will defend myself as hard as I can, with all means at my disposal. It’s never okay. It’s never okay for anybody -- for anyone -- to feel they have been a victim of sexual harassment, or feel threatened in any way. Let me make this clear: a safe and respectful society is what we expect and deserve,” Brown said.

After becoming aware of the allegations late Wednesday, a number of Brown’s closest advisors resigned.

Campaign Manager Andrew Boddington, Chief of Staff Alykhan Velshi, and Deputy Campaign Manager Dan Robertson released a joint statement saying: “earlier today, all three of us became aware of allegations about Patrick Brown. After speaking with him, our advice was that he should resign as Ontario PC Party leader. He did not accept that advice.”

As well, Ontario PC press secretary Nick Bergamini, staffer Ken Bossenkool and deputy campaign manager Joshua Workman all tweeted their resignations.

Both incidents are alleged to have happened inside Brown’s home in Barrie, Ont., after the women had been drinking in his presence.

Brown, a well-reported teetotaler, was not drinking alcohol at the time of the alleged incidents, both women told CTV News.

CTV News has agreed to protect the identities of the women who have come forward.

The first incident occurred more than 10 years ago. The woman, a high school student in Barrie at the time, said she and a mutual friend met Brown at a bar.

Brown then invited them back to his home and provided them with alcohol, though the woman was under the legal drinking age at the time.

She says she was drunk when Brown invited her for a tour of his home. When the pair entered the bedroom, Brown closed the door and exposed his penis to her.

"He pulled down his pants said, and I don’t know if he said 'suck my dick' or 'put this in your mouth,' but something along those lines,” she said.

The woman alleges that he then asked her to perform oral sex, which she did for a short time before stopping.

“It was like a controlling thing… like I just remember I wanted to go, but that wasn’t happening."

She says she then left his house and went to a nearby friend’s place.

"He's an old, single, politician preying on young girls. He’s just a sad person," the now-29 year old said.

Another woman came forward with a similar story, detailing her time working for the MP in then-prime minister Stephen Harper’s government. She spoke to CTV News in an on-camera interview.

She said she met the then-Conservative MP in November 2012 on an Air Canada flight when she was 18, coming home from university.

Hours after the flight, at 11:21 p.m. -- a time that was verified by social media accounts viewed by CTV News -- Brown sent the woman a message: "Are you impressed I remembered your name? I am.. LOL"

Brown gave the woman his phone number and the names of Barrie bars that he’d be at that night, offering her help to skip any lineups, even though she was 18 at the time -- below Ontario’s legal drinking age.

"I kinda laughed it off as an older man… hitting on me," the former staffer said.

She didn't take him up on the offer, but months later when she was looking for a summer job she reached out to Brown and asked if he had any openings or if he knew of other opportunities.

After an interview in his Parliament Hill office, Brown hired her to work in his Barrie constituency office.

Brown tasked her with organizing the Hockey Night in Barrie charity game he hosts annually. Emails from Brown viewed by CTV News confirmed this.

"You know you are my favourite :)" writes Brown in an email to the woman days before the Aug. 15, 2013 event.

At an after-party in a now-closed local nightclub, The Bank, the woman says Brown and others provided her with a string of free alcoholic beverages. She was by then legal age.

"It was too many to count," the former staffer said.

When the bar closed, the party moved to Brown's home, all captured on social media.

The woman says she was extremely drunk when Brown invited her and a male friend of his to Brown’s bedroom to look at photographs of a trip to Asia stored on his iPad.

Brown's friend then left, leaving her and Brown to sit alone on the bed.

"The next thing I know he's kissing me. Sitting beside me, kissing me and then I was, I kind of just froze up. He continued to kiss me and he laid me down on the bed and got on top of me. I remember consciously trying not to move my mouth and I was just not moving, so I was laying there immobile and he kept kissing me," she said.

"I felt it was sexual. I could feel his erection on my legs when he was on top of me so I felt that it would have gone to sexual intercourse if I had not done anything," she said. "I would characterize that as a sexual assault."

"That scenario, like of a very inebriated young employee in the bedroom of her boss, alone with him, who hasn’t had a drop of alcohol all night, just that’s an intimidating situation and I was not sure what to do about it," the former staffer said.

She told him to stop, saying she had a boyfriend and told Brown to take her home, which he did, driving her back to her parents’ house.

The woman said she did not report it to authorities or otherwise because she didn’t know what options she had, and tried to move on.

"I didn’t think that there was any sort of recourse that I could take because I did think this is something that in maybe in another job, I would go to maybe HR about. But I didn’t feel, I didn’t even know who HR was in this context. Particularly being in a constituency office. I mean, I just didn’t know what to do."

Brown often travels to India. After the party, the woman says he pressed her to join him as his assistant on an India trip, promising all expenses would be paid. He also gave her a raise.

"He told me that I, you know, he thought that I would look really good on an elephant," she said. "I remember thinking, well, 'Would I have my own hotel room? … I remember thinking, is there some sort of expectation?'"

She later spoke with her father about the incident and the invitation.

"I just remember feeling so relieved that I told somebody," the former staffer said.

CTV has spoken to her father, who corroborated her version of events. He encouraged her to reject the offer.

Three other people close to her also confirm that she recounted the incident with Brown to them in the months that followed.

The woman chose to return to work for Brown the following summer.

"The reason I kept working there was, I wanted to in some way and try and, despite the fact that this happened, I didn’t want to let this impede on what I saw then as a career opportunity."

During the second summer, her job included driving Brown to various events. It was during these drives that she alleges Brown made inappropriate comments to her including about a woman he had sexual relations with, and about wanting to find an older version of her to marry.

"I felt at that point it was kind of part of the job," she said.

Brown resigned his federal seat after winning the leadership of the Ontario PC Party in 2015. He now threatens to topple Liberal Leader Kathleen Wynne and become Ontario’s next premier in the June provincial election.

His former staffer says she is speaking out now to support other women who have had similar experiences.

"I don’t think that any woman young or old should be subjected to that and put in a situation where they have to decide between the career opportunity that’s in front of them and being-- taking themselves out of a situation that’s at best uncomfortable and at worst unsafe."

Brown has denied these allegations.

None of the allegations have been proven in court.

Rachel Aiello is CTV’s online politics producer and can be reached at 613-314-5822. Her email address is rachel.aiello@bellmedia.ca

Glen McGregor is CTV’s senior political correspondent and can be reached at 613-290-8167. His email address is glen.mcgregor@bellmedia.ca

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I hate these situations. It's impossible to know what to think when the truth isn't known for sure. Hopefully, we get some hard evidence on one side or the other.

 

That message sounds pretty incriminating though. Also sounds like he's a real d-bag based on that message.

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42 minutes ago, JV77 said:

I read this whole article that includes the "allegations" and what happened, please read it.....Is anyone else scratching their head like I am?

Yeah, I also watched his press conference...  this is not a sociopathic sexual predator...

 

This is getting beyond ridiculous...

 

"she told him to stop, saying she had a boyfriend and told Brown to take her home, which he did, driving her back to her parents’ house. "

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^ Sexual assault now is not defined by a particular action, but by whether a woman is attracted to the man doing the action... and that is wrong...

 

 

He tried to make a move, she said no, he stopped and drove her home... seriously what more do you want... the only thing that will prevent THIS type of "assault" is men and women having zero contact what so ever

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Brown resigned as leader 30 minutes ago.   He had no choice because these allegations, true or not, taint you.  

 

Strange these allegations come out just when Ontario will head to the polls this summer.   Why did these women not come forward when he was elected leader years ago.

 

The only person benefitting is Premier Wynn.   She is down in the polls but now will probably be re-elected.

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35 minutes ago, Dral said:

Yeah, I also watched his press conference...  this is not a sociopathic sexual predator...

 

This is getting beyond ridiculous...

 

"she told him to stop, saying she had a boyfriend and told Brown to take her home, which he did, driving her back to her parents’ house. "

Or my personal favorite:

 

"The woman alleges that he then asked her to perform oral sex, which she did for a short time before stopping."

 

Then the 2nd women, met him on an airplane, and exchanges numbers....calls him months later to get a job from him.  Really?  Can't find a job any other way?

 

''At an after-party in a now-closed local nightclub, The Bank, the woman says Brown and others provided her with a string of free alcoholic beverages. She was by then legal age.''   He provided, and she had to keep drinking them??

 

"I don’t think that any woman young or old should be subjected to that and put in a situation where they have to decide between the career opportunity that’s in front of them and being-- taking themselves out of a situation that’s at best uncomfortable and at worst unsafe."   And this is basically what it is and what Weinstein did...A lot of these women CHOSE their careers instead of self respect.  I fully believe these women as to what Weinstein did, he used opportunities he could give in exchange for sex, and they agreed.  But I don't have sympathy...

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"allegations" can ruin a mans life, but somehow this is ok

wait. isn't this guy THE LEADER OF OUR COUNTRY?

...isn't he MARRIED??? 

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If you wanna start picking apart our political reps for inappropriate behaviour , let's start at the top, shall we?

https://bcblue.wordpress.com/2015/03/23/trudeaus-wife-admits-extramarital-affair-to-reporter/


 

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(Sophie Gregoire... doesn't even respect limp dick Justine enough to take his name....) -
“Ask if whatever happened in our lives – I’m not saying it did or didn’t – as if we would answer that.”

She puts down her fork and looks across the table.

“I can tell you right away that no marriage is easy,” she says.

“I’m almost kind of proud of the fact that we’ve had hardship, yes, because we want authenticity. We want truth. We want to grow closer as individuals through our lifetime and we’re both dreamers and we want to be together for as long as we can.

“I’m happy that we had to go through that.”


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2 hours ago, Warhippy said:

The second alleged assault victim has it all backed up via text and social media messages?

 

Ya...he is screwed

yet they are not presented and/or verified as being authentic

ya..... not so screwed. until then .... but she will be (or SHOULD BE) if they are not

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5 minutes ago, darkpoet said:

"allegations" can ruin a mans life, but somehow this is ok

wait. isn't this guy THE LEADER OF OUR COUNTRY?

...isn't he MARRIED??? 

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CLfrztAVEAAHJxs.jpg:large


gay+pride+Chicago02.jpg

If you wanna start picking apart our political reps for inappropriate behaviour , let's start at the top, shall we?

https://bcblue.wordpress.com/2015/03/23/trudeaus-wife-admits-extramarital-affair-to-reporter/


 


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give it a few years...

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8 minutes ago, Dral said:

give it a few years...

I've been a Canucks fan since 1982 and I'm out of patience on that front.

Imagine how I feel about this kind of nonsense..... 

People are %$# crazy. With "social media" now... any arsehat out there can literally ruin a person's life without even having a shred of real evidence to back up any claim. 
If true, anyone, with clear evidence provided, the law should prevail.

However, if anyone steps forward and makes false claims like this knowing the consequences involved for their "targets", they should be imprisoned for life with no chance of parole - EVER.

That's how you separate the wheat from the chaff son

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12 minutes ago, darkpoet said:

I've been a Canucks fan since 1982 and I'm out of patience on that front.

Imagine how I feel about this kind of nonsense..... 

People are %$# crazy. With "social media" now... any arsehat out there can literally ruin a person's life without even having a shred of real evidence to back up any claim. 
If true, anyone, with clear evidence provided, the law should prevail.

However, if anyone steps forward and makes false claims like this knowing the consequences involved for their "targets", they should be imprisoned for life with no chance of parole - EVER.

That's how you separate the wheat from the chaff son

Unfortunately that last part doesn't happen...

 

I have a good friend who was accused and arrested under false charges, when the matter was finally cleared up several months later, he asked to press charges for false accusations and was told they wouldn't follow through on that because the police/crown was afraid that would prevent others in the future with real claims to come forward

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2 hours ago, Dral said:

^ Sexual assault now is not defined by a particular action, but by whether a woman is attracted to the man doing the action... and that is wrong...

 

 

He tried to make a move, she said no, he stopped and drove her home... seriously what more do you want... the only thing that will prevent THIS type of "assault" is men and women having zero contact what so ever

That's a rather interesting summary of the article. I swear there's a lot more that allegedly happened. Also corroborated by four individuals. Now it's either a conspiracy with her friends willing to go to prison or open to lawsuits, or it's true. I'm leaning toward the latter. 

 

This is a case of a power figure using his or her influence over a subordinate. In this case teenage girls. If true, this is a world away from being a normal interaction between men and women. I've interacted with women and I didn't do any of what is alleged. Have you? 

 

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1 hour ago, darkpoet said:

"allegations" can ruin a mans life, but somehow this is ok

wait. isn't this guy THE LEADER OF OUR COUNTRY?

...isn't he MARRIED??? 

CM9q4l5U8AAUCnX.jpg


CLfrztAVEAAHJxs.jpg:large


gay+pride+Chicago02.jpg

If you wanna start picking apart our political reps for inappropriate behaviour , let's start at the top, shall we?

https://bcblue.wordpress.com/2015/03/23/trudeaus-wife-admits-extramarital-affair-to-reporter/


 


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What's wrong with the two pictures of Trudeau? 

 

51 minutes ago, Dral said:

Unfortunately that last part doesn't happen...

 

I have a good friend who was accused and arrested under false charges, when the matter was finally cleared up several months later, he asked to press charges for false accusations and was told they wouldn't follow through on that because the police/crown was afraid that would prevent others in the future with real claims to come forward

Earlier in the thread you seemed to be implying that what he did is okay, completely normal behaviour between a man and a woman. So even if true, his actions shouldn't be illegal, nor hurt his reputation. Am I understanding you right? Here, you're talking about a completely different scenario, where your friend was accused of something illegal, maybe rape or some other such. Brown hasn't been charged with anything yet. 

 

Without commenting on whether I agree with the police/crown or not, there's always civil court.

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2 hours ago, Dral said:

Yeah, I also watched his press conference...  this is not a sociopathic sexual predator...

 

This is getting beyond ridiculous...

 

"she told him to stop, saying she had a boyfriend and told Brown to take her home, which he did, driving her back to her parents’ house. "

 

2 hours ago, Dral said:

^ Sexual assault now is not defined by a particular action, but by whether a woman is attracted to the man doing the action... and that is wrong...

 

 

He tried to make a move, she said no, he stopped and drove her home... seriously what more do you want... the only thing that will prevent THIS type of "assault" is men and women having zero contact what so ever

 

1 hour ago, JV77 said:

Or my personal favorite:

 

"The woman alleges that he then asked her to perform oral sex, which she did for a short time before stopping."

 

Then the 2nd women, met him on an airplane, and exchanges numbers....calls him months later to get a job from him.  Really?  Can't find a job any other way?

 

''At an after-party in a now-closed local nightclub, The Bank, the woman says Brown and others provided her with a string of free alcoholic beverages. She was by then legal age.''   He provided, and she had to keep drinking them??

 

"I don’t think that any woman young or old should be subjected to that and put in a situation where they have to decide between the career opportunity that’s in front of them and being-- taking themselves out of a situation that’s at best uncomfortable and at worst unsafe."   And this is basically what it is and what Weinstein did...A lot of these women CHOSE their careers instead of self respect.  I fully believe these women as to what Weinstein did, he used opportunities he could give in exchange for sex, and they agreed.  But I don't have sympathy...

I’m not sure I get where you guys are coming from?

 

Are you saying you don’t have a problem with Brown’s conduct, if these allegations are true?

 

Again, I’m asking what you think about the acts in question, if the allegations detailed in the story are true?

 

The first allegation involves a Brown, around a 30-year-old MP at the time, exposing himself to a high school student and demanding oral sex from her.

 

That’s ok? A frigging 30 year old Member of Parliament getting a teenager drunk, luring her into his bedroom, closing the door, dropping his pants, and telling her to give him oral? That’s ok? How? Because she did it? That makes it ok?

 

I don’t get it.

 

The second allegation involves Brown, still an MP, and now around 35 years old, and a drunk 19 year old staffer. He’s stone sober and she’s plastered. She ends up alone with him after her friend leaves the room. He starts kissing her. She freezes. He continues. She makes a point of not moving her mouth, not moving her body, remaining immobile. He continues to kiss her unresponsive body. He lays her down and gets on top, pressing his erection into her. At that point she fears that he’s just not going to stop unless she does something.

 

She’s highly inebriated, he’s sober, it’s a very unequal power dynamic (he’s her boss and much older), pretty unsafe location (the bedroom at his place and her friend has left the room), she’s afraid, he’s not stopping, even though it’s obvious she’s not into it.

 

She feels like he’ll continue to advance on her and take things to the point of nonconsensual sexual intercourse if she doesn’t do something to stop him.

 

With all that going on, and through the haze of drunkenness, she manages to tell him soemthint she hopes will make him stop. She can’t be sure it will work. But she needs to try. And thankfully, he stops.

 

Finally he stops. 

 

But the rest of it is somehow ok?

 

Shouldn't Brown have stopped way, way, way before that?

 

Shouldn't we expect a 35 year old MP to stop (or at least proceed cautiously) when the woman is only 19 years old? Shouldn’t he stop (or again, proceed cautiously) when he’s the boss and she’s his subordinate?

 

Shouldn’t he just plain stop when the woman he’s is highly inebriated?

 

And he should definitely stop when she freezes.

 

Who keeps going at that point?

 

You stop kissing when she doesn’t kiss you back. Pretty basic. You stop. She’s not into it. This is obvious to anyone who values the person they’re with. This is obvious to anyone who respects women. This is obvious to anyone who believes in consent.

 

And you definitely stop when she locks her jaw tight and doesn’t move her mouth. You stop way before what you’re doing to her has made her body turn rigid. You stop way, way, way before she becomes completely unresponsive and physically shuts down. 

 

Who reads signs like that and keeps going? What kind of man takes a drunk, unresponsive, frozen/immobile woman and proceeds to lay her down on a bed and get on top of her?

 

What kind of man is still turned on?

 

What kind of man needs to be explicitly told to stop in that situation?

 

 

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1 hour ago, Lockout Casualty said:

That's a rather interesting summary of the article. I swear there's a lot more that allegedly happened. Also corroborated by four individuals. Now it's either a conspiracy with her friends willing to go to prison or open to lawsuits, or it's true. I'm leaning toward the latter. 

 

This is a case of a power figure using his or her influence over a subordinate. In this case teenage girls. If true, this is a world away from being a normal interaction between men and women. I've interacted with women and I didn't do any of what is alleged. Have you? 

 

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What's wrong with the two pictures of Trudeau? 

 

Earlier in the thread you seemed to be implying that what he did is okay, completely normal behaviour between a man and a woman. So even if true, his actions shouldn't be illegal, nor hurt his reputation. Am I understanding you right? Here, you're talking about a completely different scenario, where your friend was accused of something illegal, maybe rape or some other such. Brown hasn't been charged with anything yet. 

 

Without commenting on whether I agree with the police/crown or not, there's always civil court.

 

1 hour ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

 

 

I’m not sure I get where you guys are coming from?

 

Are you saying you don’t have a problem with Brown’s conduct, if these allegations are true?

 

Again, I’m asking what you think about the acts in question, if the allegations detailed in the story are true?

 

The first allegation involves a Brown, around a 30-year-old MP at the time, exposing himself to a high school student and demanding oral sex from her.

 

That’s ok? A frigging 30 year old Member of Parliament getting a teenager drunk, luring her into his bedroom, closing the door, dropping his pants, and telling her to give him oral? That’s ok? How? Because she did it? That makes it ok?

 

I don’t get it.

 

The second allegation involves Brown, still an MP, and now around 35 years old, and a drunk 19 year old staffer. He’s stone sober and she’s plastered. She ends up alone with him after her friend leaves the room. He starts kissing her. She freezes. He continues. She makes a point of not moving her mouth, not moving her body, remaining immobile. He continues to kiss her unresponsive body. He lays her down and gets on top, pressing his erection into her. At that point she fears that he’s just not going to stop unless she does something.

 

She’s highly inebriated, he’s sober, it’s a very unequal power dynamic (he’s her boss and much older), pretty unsafe location (the bedroom at his place and her friend has left the room), she’s afraid, he’s not stopping, even though it’s obvious she’s not into it.

 

She feels like he’ll continue to advance on her and take things to the point of nonconsensual sexual intercourse if she doesn’t do something to stop him.

 

With all that going on, and through the haze of drunkenness, she manages to tell him soemthint she hopes will make him stop. She can’t be sure it will work. But she needs to try. And thankfully, he stops.

 

Finally he stops. 

 

But the rest of it is somehow ok?

 

Shouldn't Brown have stopped way, way, way before that?

 

Shouldn't we expect a 35 year old MP to stop (or at least proceed cautiously) when the woman is only 19 years old? Shouldn’t he stop (or again, proceed cautiously) when he’s the boss and she’s his subordinate?

 

Shouldn’t he just plain stop when the woman he’s is highly inebriated?

 

And he should definitely stop when she freezes.

 

Who keeps going at that point?

 

You stop kissing when she doesn’t kiss you back. Pretty basic. You stop. She’s not into it. This is obvious to anyone who values the person they’re with. This is obvious to anyone who respects women. This is obvious to anyone who believes in consent.

 

And you definitely stop when she locks her jaw tight and doesn’t move her mouth. You stop way before what you’re doing to her has made her body turn rigid. You stop way, way, way before she becomes completely unresponsive and physically shuts down. 

 

Who reads signs like that and keeps going? What kind of man takes a drunk, unresponsive, frozen/immobile woman and proceeds to lay her down on a bed and get on top of her?

 

What kind of man is still turned on?

 

What kind of man needs to be explicitly told to stop in that situation?

 

 

Do you believe in the court of law? Or should allegations be enough to ruin someone's life?

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5 hours ago, DonLever said:

Brown resigned as leader 30 minutes ago.   He had no choice because these allegations, true or not, taint you.  

 

Strange these allegations come out just when Ontario will head to the polls this summer.   Why did these women not come forward when he was elected leader years ago.

 

The only person benefitting is Premier Wynn.   She is down in the polls but now will probably be re-elected.

Brown stepping down as leader kinda tells me he knows he is guilty, that or he doesn't want to embarrass the Ontario Conservative party, but he likely already has. 

 

Wynne was so low in the polls that for a while it was said the Liberals could lose official party status. Possibly the Conservatives could still win the election or the ndp for that matter. 

 

4 hours ago, Hamhuis Hip Check said:

I have no idea if or how this situation occurred so i wont take sides but damn is the timing sketchy, five months before the election? I guess kathleen wynne has multiple horseshoes up her butt

Timing sure is sketchy but with him stepping down I think it's legit. However I'm not sure this could even save Wynne. 

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