Popular Post DJSkingz Posted January 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 18, 2019 This message has been paid for by the Government of Alberta 2 1 1 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 23 minutes ago, inane said: propaganda much? Yes, the opposition to the pipeline has used propaganda a bunch but logic will win out at the end of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Rob_Zepp said: Yes, the opposition to the pipeline has used propaganda a bunch but logic will win out at the end of the day. What is the risk to the ecosystem of the Pacific? What is the other side of this debate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: What exactly are the environmental impacts anyways? Is the worst case scenario that bad? If the answer is yes, is all the money in the world going to be enough to repair a disaster in these waters? I think we have to look at what the worst case actually is and weigh the social benefits of whoring out such an environment for a buck. The rugged, super-ecosystem of the Pacif Ocean’s west coast is the best thing about BC and protecting it from man-made disaster is paramount to all. I’m not a treehugger, but these waters can’t just be cleaned up with a broom so I have grave reservations concerning the apparent risks involved in introducing this hazard into this system. I can’t imagine any Indian bands will allow this in their waters. Possibly those upstream and those landlocked. Money talks, as we’ve seen, but not for those along the pacific coast, not that I’ve seen. Some things are sacred and should be treated with reverence and secured. Is this project worth the risk? In terms of the bigger picture and taking into account where oil comes from, how it is transported and where the demand is (both in Canada and across the world), there are far more risks to both the economy and the environment if this pipeline or something near equivalent is not constructed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 29 minutes ago, inane said: propaganda much? May do you some good to look up what propaganda means 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Just now, 189lb enforcers? said: What is the risk to the ecosystem of the Pacific? What is the other side of this debate? The global ecosystem should be the framing discussion. However, if you must drill down in a Provincial manner, the oil you are getting from Washington State by rail and tanker is just as risky and the oil transported from Saudi to eastern Canada is just as risky. There should not be "sides" but a balanced logical discussion about the bigger picture. Canada used to be somewhat of a bastion of logic but that is slowly disappearing too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Rob_Zepp said: In terms of the bigger picture and taking into account where oil comes from, how it is transported and where the demand is (both in Canada and across the world), there are far more risks to both the economy and the environment if this pipeline or something near equivalent is not constructed. What’s in that pipeline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: Yes, the opposition to the pipeline has used propaganda a bunch but logic will win out at the end of the day. lol long term there's none, but i know it's all about now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, inane said: lol long term there's none, but i know it's all about now. Long term? Both you and I will be dead before the world stops needing oil. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownky Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 On the one hand, the tankers are already there and have been for decades. On the other hand, increased tanker traffic, increased risk. If the economic benefits to BC 'in particular' outweighs the risk, do it. If they do not, don't. Watching a BC coastal oil spill wreak havoc just so Alberta can get rich, which funds the feds equalization garbage to Ontario and Quebec doesn't really float my boat. Removing all the emotions from the equation is a difficult thing to do, but that's exactly how it needs to be done. That said, the 'environmental impact' of the burning of the fossil fuels is not really germane to overall argument, despite how much time people give it. The demanded oil WILL be burned; whether it's from Alberta or Arabia is the difference between Canada getting paid or... those whose opinion on slavery and human rights differ rather significantly. I'd rather see us get paid and do good things with it rather than enhance the Royal fleet of Range Rovers with an extra Lamborghini or 5. I do get a little tired of the paid professional protesters though. As usual, far too many forget "Who wants me to believe this, and why do they want me to believe it? What do they gain?". Critical thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 I'm all for renewable resources but we need the pipelines for now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Long term? Both you and I will be dead before the world stops needing oil. I know... it's impossible for some to think beyond themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, inane said: I know... it's impossible for some to think beyond themselves. Like the PM-the guy who bought the pipeline because private investment in this country is next to impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 21 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Like the PM-the guy who bought the pipeline because private investment in this country is next to impossible. I know it's like there are no private companies here right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, inane said: I know it's like there are no private companies here right? Not that want to invest in big projects. Mining or oil it's always a massive delay in BC. Why have hige revenues when you guys in BC can continue you to pay endless taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 You can make a new thread with a wall of propaganda all you want instead of just keeping it in the other thread. i still say no. Take the pipeline and cram it. keep B.C. beaches clean. alberta can pound sand. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, riffraff said: You can make a new thread with a wall of propaganda all you want instead of just keeping it in the other thread. i still say no. Take the pipeline and cram it. keep B.C. beaches clean. alberta can pound sand. 1) It's not propaganda. 2) Ottawa bought the pipeline not Alberta. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: 1) It's not propaganda. 2) Ottawa bought the pipeline not Alberta. Because alberta has been whining in our ear since the lifestyle they bought on credit caved in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, 189lb enforcers? said: What exactly are the environmental impacts anyways? Is the worst case scenario that bad? If the answer is yes, is all the money in the world going to be enough to repair a disaster in these waters? I think we have to look at what the worst case actually is and weigh the social benefits of whoring out such an environment for a buck. The rugged, super-ecosystem of the Pacif Ocean’s west coast is the best thing about BC and protecting it from man-made disaster is paramount to all. I’m not a treehugger, but these waters can’t just be cleaned up with a broom so I have grave reservations concerning the apparent risks involved in introducing this hazard into this system. I can’t imagine any Indian bands will allow this in their waters. Possibly those upstream and those landlocked. Money talks, as we’ve seen, but not for those along the pacific coast, not that I’ve seen. Some things are sacred and should be treated with reverence and secured. Is this project worth the risk? yeah, its pretty bad. a large dil bit spill could devastate a large fishing area for things like prawns or cod. But, if done the way they say they're gong to do it the chance should be small, but like I've yapped about a lot, there's far safer technology coming with the bitumen pucks. I suspect thats how AB oil will finally be able to get through Quebec and then we can stop buying oil from those Saudi creeps. As far as risk goes, we're at a very high risk of a conventional spill right now with the 30+ tankers that enter the harbour every day, we literally have no means of cleaning that up effectively right now. A part of the billion or so going into the Vancouver port is for advanced spill tech. I'd prefer we wait for Canapucks, but if it must go through then I really like the safer harbour tech and aboriginal ownership, at least there's that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, inane said: propaganda much? Yeah..all feels like Lipp-stick on an oinker, don't it? We humans have only 3 jobs..let's not get confused here: - dig sh*t up - Burn that sh*t - choke on it Ind Civ only promises 2 or 3 centuries of mayhem. So we'd better crank up the raping & pillaging before it all peters out. The west has jumped the shark. Edited January 18, 2019 by Nuxfanabroad ha, word keeps coming up Leipsic! :^) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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