JV77 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 4 lanes still...Why is our government so damn stupid? You got professionals in charge of designing infrastructure and these morons still don't see the traffic issue? And all the money wasted on repairs when they always knew it had to be replaced....beyond stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 3 hours ago, JV77 said: 4 lanes still...Why is our government so damn stupid? You got professionals in charge of designing infrastructure and these morons still don't see the traffic issue? And all the money wasted on repairs when they always knew it had to be replaced....beyond stupid The party might change but the stupidity stays the same only people making money on this are the engineers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 I see lots of ideas, but where are the new BIKE LANES down town? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 9 hours ago, trek said: Money tree? You're aware this bridge is almost 80 years old right? It's 25 years past its expiry date and needs to get done. Doesn't matter who was/is in power it has to get done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 On 1/31/2018 at 10:12 AM, ronthecivil said: Well as long as you stick to not caring about what they actually do, they can stay on time and on budget. You remind me of a George Carlin moment, where a pregnant couple are discussing their as yet unborn child, "We don't care what it is, as long as it is healthy!" Later, the doctor in the delivery room, "Well, we don't know what it is, but it's healthy!" regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trek Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Warhippy said: Money tree? You're aware this bridge is almost 80 years old right? It's 25 years past its expiry date and needs to get done. Doesn't matter who was/is in power it has to get done no question it should be replaced. just the NDP are on a spending spree with the elimination of PMB tolls, MSP, renters credit, etc. Where's all this extra cash coming from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 13 hours ago, trek said: no question it should be replaced. just the NDP are on a spending spree with the elimination of PMB tolls, MSP, renters credit, etc. Where's all this extra cash coming from? Tolls, MSP and renters credit were brought forth by all parties with the actual elimination of tolls coming from the Liberals. The long running complaint is that it is "extra spending" when in fact government waste is always at all time highs because expenditures are ridiculous. If the NDP spend money properly and distribute it smartly there will be money to pay for this. Regardless of who is/was in power this bridge was getting built and it was going to cost a ton of cash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trek Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 I doubt cleaning up government waste would total $1.7B. We shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trek Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 New B-Lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 1 hour ago, trek said: New B-Lines A good step, but just not viable long-term. They're still using the Expo Line as the backbone of the system.... and it's clearly not up to the task. More trains are need, and they need to be provide alternatives in case the Expo line fails. The Canada line needs to be connected to the Millennium line. Maybe expand the Evergreen line to overlap with the Westcoast Express, I mean the route and land are already there. Then have that expanded line to swing south to connect with the Surrey expansion. Perhaps even have the train to reach out to Tsawassen (might as well do it along with the Massey Tunnels) for the ferries and that new mall out there. The solution..... partially privatize Translink or have some form of PPP. Have all levels of government put up the initial funds, issue bonds or shares to the public to invest in (especially for fiscal accountability), then bring along those large condo developers to fork over a lot of money. Let the developer have or lease the land surrounding new skytrain stations, let them build condos, strip malls or whatever around that area.... so the government and investors will reap the profit from that.... and the developers will get their cut by selling/leasing those units out. Have the system designed by firms from South Korea or Japan... better yet, just tag along when they are building their trains, thus getting them very cheap. To satisfy the unions, have like minimum 30% of the workers unionized or something, toss in a few First Nations contracts, have additional agreement with SFU/BCIT, etc. Public transit problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prix57 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 With how fast Surrey is growing I find it laughable there has been no extension of the expo skytrain line in over 30 years. Why do they propose a slow impractical LRT to be the solution? The LRT will take away a lane that is needed for vehicle traffic and it is not any faster than taking the bus. If this is what they want not just save the money and add more B line buses? Surrey and the Fraser valley needs rapid transit. There should be a skytrain extension from king george with one line going south and another headed east to Langley etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 7 hours ago, prix57 said: With how fast Surrey is growing I find it laughable there has been no extension of the expo skytrain line in over 30 years. Why do they propose a slow impractical LRT to be the solution? The LRT will take away a lane that is needed for vehicle traffic and it is not any faster than taking the bus. If this is what they want not just save the money and add more B line buses? Surrey and the Fraser valley needs rapid transit. There should be a skytrain extension from king george with one line going south and another headed east to Langley etc. Well I don't find it a surprise that they put a Bline down Fraser highway. Why do that if you're planning for LRT? The answer is they aren't. No way the Feds and the province put in their portions for the light rail down what should be an extension of the backbone of the system. Pretty sure translink knows this, so they are just building the ridership for what will be a skytrain in the long run, the same way they have with every other extension to the system so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trek Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Lets hope they don't spend tons of money making pretty BLine stops only to rip it out in less than 3 years like the 98 Bline on No. 3 road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 On 3/6/2018 at 5:36 PM, Lancaster said: A good step, but just not viable long-term. They're still using the Expo Line as the backbone of the system.... and it's clearly not up to the task. More trains are need, and they need to be provide alternatives in case the Expo line fails. The Canada line needs to be connected to the Millennium line. Maybe expand the Evergreen line to overlap with the Westcoast Express, I mean the route and land are already there. Then have that expanded line to swing south to connect with the Surrey expansion. Perhaps even have the train to reach out to Tsawassen (might as well do it along with the Massey Tunnels) for the ferries and that new mall out there. The solution..... partially privatize Translink or have some form of PPP. Have all levels of government put up the initial funds, issue bonds or shares to the public to invest in (especially for fiscal accountability), then bring along those large condo developers to fork over a lot of money. Let the developer have or lease the land surrounding new skytrain stations, let them build condos, strip malls or whatever around that area.... so the government and investors will reap the profit from that.... and the developers will get their cut by selling/leasing those units out. Have the system designed by firms from South Korea or Japan... better yet, just tag along when they are building their trains, thus getting them very cheap. To satisfy the unions, have like minimum 30% of the workers unionized or something, toss in a few First Nations contracts, have additional agreement with SFU/BCIT, etc. Public transit problem solved. Good luck privatising the system. If 14 years of liberal rule doesn't privatise the ICBC dumpster fire, translink has less than a zero percent chance. Translink is getting 80 new trains and some of that is being expedited. The Canada line will be connected to the millenium line as soon as it's expanded west (I would expect to see that as the next project). After that though expo line is gettting maxed. They will have to start at looking at making longer stations or other upgrades like what's happening at Broadway. (Expensive this part is). Other than that, be happy if you ever see a Bline bus to far flung places like Twassen, never mind a train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, trek said: Lets hope they don't spend tons of money making pretty BLine stops only to rip it out in less than 3 years like the 98 Bline on No. 3 road. Oh even if they put in full on bus turn out bays, they will just happen to make nice spaces to divert traffic during the station construction. Either way it's a drop in the bucket when it comes to big stuff like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Juice Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Does anyone know how the new Pattullo Bridge will connect to King George Blvd, etc to connect to Surrey like it is now? I would hope they would have built it for 3 lanes like the Alex Fraser bridge with the possibility of expansion to 4 lanes each side in the future be something they would have come up with instead of this 2 lane bullcrap FYI: I read the article posted in the thread but some drawings/illustrations of how it'll actually come to place would be nice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted March 8, 2018 Author Share Posted March 8, 2018 Cambie Corridor Phase 3. A lot of townhouses and some apartments. http://vancouver.ca/files/cov/cambie-corridor-planning-program-phase-3-information-boards.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trek Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 They are going to try and cram a whole buttload of people on the King Edward Mall property... My TD branch is there dang it's going to be so congested! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 On 2/16/2018 at 3:06 PM, JV77 said: 4 lanes still...Why is our government so damn stupid? You got professionals in charge of designing infrastructure and these morons still don't see the traffic issue? And all the money wasted on repairs when they always knew it had to be replaced....beyond stupid Stupidity, incompetence, probably just that they don't care. The government usually doesn't care about most things like this, or housing. They do just enough and not an inch more. The illusion of taking action, in reality doing very little. They all have their houses as do their children's children or will when that time comes, none of them squeak by financially, and they don't really deal with traffic like most people do. These are all low priority items to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted March 8, 2018 Author Share Posted March 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, Tortorella's Rant said: Stupidity, incompetence, probably just that they don't care. The government usually doesn't care about most things like this, or housing. They do just enough and not an inch more. The illusion of taking action, in reality doing very little. They all have their houses as do their children's children or will when that time comes, none of them squeak by financially, and they don't really deal with traffic like most people do. These are all low priority items to them. Not really sure this is true lol...The issue is decades and decades of under funding and under valuing everything that has led to this. School, roads, hospitals, any public service has been so chronically under funded that to deliver what the people actually need would be too expensive politically. It's not that they don't care, or don't know, they are just cowards. It always goes back to the same old 'well we can't charge that or business/development' won't come here. So we relax what we actually need to get business/development under the premise that that will generate money to then spend on public goods. But of course it never does and when governments try to charge more the predictable 'you'll kill business/development' crowd comes out and politicians are too afraid to do the right thing. The growing inequality gap is entirely predictable as it's unsaid policy to provide incentives for business/development in the short term at the expense of the public interest long term. It can't go on for ever and eventually something will break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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