kingofsurrey Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 2 hours ago, GrizzlyAdams said: Another thing they have in common is no minimum wage. Turns out raising the minimum wage really isn't necessary if you follow this model. McDonalds there can pay between 16-24 dollars an hour depending on workers age though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dral Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: I'm sure we'd get to see her tax returns She's already said she's not interested. Mitt Romney might win the 2020 nomination anyway. What does Romney running have to do with Oprah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dral Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 2 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: McDonalds there can pay between 16-24 dollars an hour depending on workers age though.. Wow - you actually really do know nothing about economics... Those people also pay around 60% income tax (more then the rich people in California), their sales tax is 25% higher, their cost of living is 30% higher, and all those big macs are more expensive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dral Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 2 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: McDonalds there can pay between 16-24 dollars an hour depending on workers age though.. Still waiting on you telling me which of those other great socialist countries you'd be willing to live in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Just now, Dral said: Wow - you actually really do know nothing about economics... Those people also pay around 60% income tax (more then the rich people in California), their sales tax is 25% higher, their cost of living is 30% higher, and all those big macs are more expensive... You are the most obnoxious poster here on the forum. Congrats. You earned the Gold medal. Do the economics on that one ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Dral said: Still waiting on you telling me which of those other great socialist countries you'd be willing to live in... Love to live in Sweden...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dral Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: You are the most obnoxious poster here on the forum. Congrats. You earned the Gold medal. Do the economics on that one ..... maybe if you stopped saying such ridiculously stupid things I would seem less obnoxious 1 minute ago, kingofsurrey said: Love to live in Sweden...... No really, go look at that list... Sweden isn't even on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 47 minutes ago, Dral said: maybe if you .... I seriously doubt it. I don't have that kind of faith in you. Life is not black and white.. Most countries have elements of socialism in them. Many good things. You seriously need to travel and see a bit of the world... Not a put down... but seriously it would be educative for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Dral said: What does Romney running have to do with Oprah? just indirectly, in the sense of who can rid us of Trump. Maybe Republicans will pick Romney over the orange clown in chief at the next convention. Probably not but who knows these days. I find the right's reaction to Oprah kind of funny tho, she's an actual self-made billionaire, if business smarts was really the most important thing they would want her over Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dral Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: I seriously doubt it. I don't have that kind of faith in you. Life is not black and white.. Most countries have elements of socialism in them. Many good things. You seriously need to travel and see a bit of the world... Not a put down... but seriously it would be educative for you. Again, you just show your ignorance with your comments... Most countries have elements of socialism.... many bad things - you obviously didn't even look at that list of socialist states because you can't even defend your opinions... I've lived on 3 different continents, maybe you're the one who needs to travel a bit and get an education Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dral Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: just indirectly, in the sense of who can rid us of Trump. Maybe Republicans will pick Romney over the orange clown in chief at the next convention. Probably not but who knows these days. I find the right's reaction to Oprah kind of funny tho, she's an actual self-made billionaire, if business smarts was really the most important thing they would want her over Trump. The only way I see Oprah running for POTUS is if she did it as an independent... Trump makes money off of the very rich, so he's not alienating anyone by getting into politics... Oprah probably makes half her money off republicans, so if she ran as a democrat, she'd risk alienating them. She's way to smart for that. When Trump was elected, my big hope was it would send a very clear message to the democrats to clean up their act and actually act like the liberals there's supposed to be. So far, I've been pretty disappointed and I wouldn't be surprised if Trump won a second term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, Dral said: The only way I see Oprah running for POTUS is if she did it as an independent... Trump makes money off of the very rich, so he's not alienating anyone by getting into politics... Oprah probably makes half her money off republicans, so if she ran as a democrat, she'd risk alienating them. She's way to smart for that. When Trump was elected, my big hope was it would send a very clear message to the democrats to clean up their act and actually act like the liberals there's supposed to be. So far, I've been pretty disappointed and I wouldn't be surprised if Trump won a second term. thats the weird irony of Trump supporters, he's screwing over so many poor republicans with his policies, but they line up to vote for him. Yah the democrats certainly do have an identity crisis in the US, but thats the bane of a diverse party, its often hard to stay on a single message. Here in Canada though it is interesting (to me anyway) that the Liberals have taken over from the Mulroney era PCs as the party of international trade and multiculturalism (two things Mulroney championed) and many current CPC supporters are often raging about those two issues, acting as protectionists and fearful of immigration. Shows how quickly things can change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, Dral said: Again, you just show your ignorance with your comments... Most countries have elements of socialism.... many bad things - you obviously didn't even look at that list of socialist states because you can't even defend your opinions... I've lived on 3 different continents, maybe you're the one who needs to travel a bit and get an education 3 continents... yah right... I am thinking more likely 3 different rooms but all in the same basement ... Peter Dreier: What is democratic socialism, American-style? In the early 1900s, socialists led the movements for women's suffrage, child labor laws, consumer protection laws and the progressive income tax. In 1916, Victor Berger, a socialist congressman from Milwaukee, sponsored the first bill to create "old age pensions." The bill didn't get very far, but two decades later, in the midst of the Depression, President Franklin D. Roosevelt persuaded Congress to enact Social Security. Even then, some critics denounced it as un-American. But today, most Americans, even conservatives, believe that Social Security is a good idea. What had once seemed radical has become common sense. https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/27/opinions/opinion-roundup-socialism/index.html Much of FDR's other New Deal legislation -- the minimum wage, workers' right to form unions and public works programs to create jobs for the unemployed -- was first espoused by American socialists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dral Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Just now, kingofsurrey said: 3 continents... yah right... I am thinking more likely 3 different rooms but all in the same basement ... Peter Dreier: What is democratic socialism, American-style? In the early 1900s, socialists led the movements for women's suffrage, child labor laws, consumer protection laws and the progressive income tax. In 1916, Victor Berger, a socialist congressman from Milwaukee, sponsored the first bill to create "old age pensions." The bill didn't get very far, but two decades later, in the midst of the Depression, President Franklin D. Roosevelt persuaded Congress to enact Social Security. Even then, some critics denounced it as un-American. But today, most Americans, even conservatives, believe that Social Security is a good idea. What had once seemed radical has become common sense. https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/27/opinions/opinion-roundup-socialism/index.html Much of FDR's other New Deal legislation -- the minimum wage, workers' right to form unions and public works programs to create jobs for the unemployed -- was first espoused by American socialists. LoL, adorable... The more you talk, the more I think you're just a 13 year old pretending to an adult You obviously don't travel and obviously don't know anyone who's traveled except maybe some hippy commie college kids... There is a very large number of immigrants who've left their home country because it was an oppressive socialist state that kept the general population in a state of poverty with basically no hope of a better life. You have this romanticized idea of what socialism is, but you have no real concept of how it works in reality for the vast majority of people living in a socialist state... Don't bother posting any articles or links, since you obviously won't look at stuff other people post, it's a complete waste of time to read the nonsense you drum up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dral Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: thats the weird irony of Trump supporters, he's screwing over so many poor republicans with his policies, but they line up to vote for him. Yah the democrats certainly do have an identity crisis in the US, but thats the bane of a diverse party, its often hard to stay on a single message. Here in Canada though it is interesting (to me anyway) that the Liberals have taken over from the Mulroney era PCs as the party of international trade and multiculturalism (two things Mulroney championed) and many current CPC supporters are often raging about those two issues, acting as protectionists and fearful of immigration. Shows how quickly things can change. Trumps actually not doing that bad of a job with poor people... the tax breaks are pretty significant and the only people in the middle class who aren't getting a tax break are basically Californians who will never vote for him anyways... his tax bill pretty much gives very good tax breaks to Red states and all classes of people... as long as he doesn't personally screw up the economy (which he hasn't so far), he's got a pretty good chance of re-election. Nobody on the right is going to care what Trump tweets as long as they have a job and more money in their pocket at the end of the day. The demos problem is identity politics, a lot of people are sick of the PC culture and the extreme left is pushing very intelligent left thinkers to the center and right (ever heard of the serious "leaving the left"?)... the liberals created identity politics to get power, and now the monster they've created is eating them alive. They need to get back to classical liberalism or they are going to continue to allow buffoons to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 13 minutes ago, Dral said: LoL, adorable... The more you talk, the more I think you're just a 13 year old pretending to an adult Yeah, i've often wondered that, he's so out of touch and is constantly living in fantasy land. It's like debating a kid on the existence of santa clause. On one hand he wants Canada to live like Norway, but then on the next hand he wants Canada to stop drilling for oil.... He wants it all, without any of the sacrifices, it makes me wonder how he survives in life, how does someone like that manage finances. He either relies purely on his wife/mom to take care of that area. Either way he's very much a troll, when he gets proven wrong, he plays dumb and continues rambling on. It's not worth anybodies time engaging in a conversation someone like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeBrew Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 18 hours ago, Dral said: LoL - your Utopian view of the TOP socialist countries are disillusion Have you visited Cuba? China? Iraq under Saddam? North Korea ? Look at this list and tell me how many of these countries you'd like to have lived in... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states 1 hour ago, Dral said: maybe if you stopped saying such ridiculously stupid things I would seem less obnoxious No really, go look at that list... Sweden isn't even on it There seems to be a real lack of political understanding in this thread. For starters, your list is comprised of Socialist States (aka what are presumed to be Communist States), so obviously Sweden is not going to be on the list and you proved that to yourself by declaring as such. Secondly, there is a difference between Socialism and Social Policies. The former being what is generally incorporated into Social Welfare States - countries like Britain, France, Sweden, Germany and Canada. Please feel free to educate yourself. If this is how you guys react to a little minimum wage increase, I can't wait for when they start taking guaranteed basic income seriously - it will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 17 minutes ago, HomeBrew said: There seems to be a real lack of political understanding in this thread. For starters, your list is comprised of Socialist States (aka what are presumed to be Communist States), so obviously Sweden is not going to be on the list and you proved that to yourself by declaring as such. Secondly, there is a difference between Socialism and Social Policies. The former being what is generally incorporated into Social Welfare States - countries like Britain, France, Sweden, Germany and Canada. Please feel free to educate yourself. If this is how you guys react to a little minimum wage increase, I can't wait for when they start taking guaranteed basic income seriously - it will happen. Too funny. but true...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dral Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 16 minutes ago, HomeBrew said: There seems to be a real lack of political understanding in this thread. For starters, your list is comprised of Socialist States (aka what are presumed to be Communist States), so obviously Sweden is not going to be on the list and you proved that to yourself by declaring as such. Secondly, there is a difference between Socialism and Social Policies. The former being what is generally incorporated into Social Welfare States - countries like Britain, France, Sweden, Germany and Canada. Please feel free to educate yourself. If this is how you guys react to a little minimum wage increase, I can't wait for when they start taking guaranteed basic income seriously - it will happen. LoL... from the article itself... Quote The majority of self-declared socialist countries have been Marxist–Leninist states, following the model of the Soviet Union or a variant of people's democracy. They share a common definition of "socialism" and they refer to themselves as socialist states on the road to communism with a leading vanguard party structure. For this reason, they are generally, albeit erroneously, called "communist states". Meanwhile, the countries in the non-Marxist–Leninist category represent a wide variety of different interpretations of the word "socialism". In many cases, they do not define what they mean by it. Modern uses of the term "socialism" are wide in meaning and interpretation. And then you go right ahead and call them communist states... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dral Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Too funny. but true...... If you really want to post selfies, there's a thread in White Noise for that... otherwise you should probably be quiet as the grown ups are trying to have a conversation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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