Gnarcore Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 17 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: No doubt empty ships do have fuel on them........but there are 10's of thousands of ships travelling world wide daily ........ Cool. That has no bearing on increasing oil tanker traffic by 7x into that sketchy Burnaby terminal. The rest of your post has nothing to do with my point plenty of scientists and companies that are concerned abut the environment are actually working at solutions. The tech just isn't there to fully switch at this point. Also thinking just because people have a stance means they shouldn't use something at all is asinine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 On 2/14/2018 at 7:42 AM, ice orca said: Lol i am having a good laugh at this, someone said something so it must be true. If you really believe this once the truck goes though it's 6 month inspection or D.O.T. inspection it would be shut down and the driver fired...a big big if. Some people are so uninformed about the industry it's sad. BC has had issues in the past with fraudulent driving schools and safety inspections. East Asian and Asian ran schools were selling licenses to unqualified people. Several were shut down but it is an easy scam to pull. This was years ago but it is still happening according to friends I have in the industry...including a few Teamsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 On 2/14/2018 at 8:08 AM, ice orca said: Well phone Richie Brothers up and find out..they will get a good morning laugh out of that. This was said about Pakistani and Indian drivers years ago when they started long haul companies. Complete and utter b.s. started by biggots who couldn't stand people who looked different coming into their industry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0u6Lb6RCz4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Gnarcore said: BC has had issues in the past with fraudulent driving schools and safety inspections. East Asian and Asian ran schools were selling licenses to unqualified people. Several were shut down but it is an easy scam to pull. This was years ago but it is still happening according to friends I have in the industry...including a few Teamsters. thats why I never stay in the same lane for long if I end up in front of a dump truck in this town Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 17 minutes ago, Gnarcore said: Cool. That has no bearing on increasing oil tanker traffic by 7x into that sketchy Burnaby terminal. The rest of your post has nothing to do with my point plenty of scientists and companies that are concerned abut the environment are actually working at solutions. The tech just isn't there to fully switch at this point. Also thinking just because people have a stance means they shouldn't use something at all is asinine. My view is that people should keep up the pressure and force the governments to increase the safety features.............. - increase terminal safety - increase docking facilitiy safety features - allow only day time entry and departures in and out of Canadian waters (it take less than 8 hours to get to Vancouver from Brotchie(Victoria) - navigation only when calm waters exist (under 15 knots) - have 4-2500 hp tugs to escort freighters at all times in Canadian waters (from time of entry into Canadian waters to the time of docking and out the same way) - a dedicated marine channel for all fuel tankers - CCCG/police escort in from sea and back out That is just some of the features I would insist on................I am sure there are many other safety procedures that will exist, if it goes ahead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 hour ago, janisahockeynut said: My view is that people should keep up the pressure and force the governments to increase the safety features.............. - increase terminal safety - increase docking facilitiy safety features - allow only day time entry and departures in and out of Canadian waters (it take less than 8 hours to get to Vancouver from Brotchie(Victoria) - navigation only when calm waters exist (under 15 knots) - have 4-2500 hp tugs to escort freighters at all times in Canadian waters (from time of entry into Canadian waters to the time of docking and out the same way) - a dedicated marine channel for all fuel tankers - CCCG/police escort in from sea and back out That is just some of the features I would insist on................I am sure there are many other safety procedures that will exist, if it goes ahead I like those ideas but who is going to pay for it? I sure as &^@# don't want my taxes to pay for Alberta oil to be shipped in a safer fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 3 hours ago, MikeyBoy44 said: While many would admit that would be the preferred outcome it's just not as profitable compared to shipping unrefined. So what? Why should profitability for Alberta and a private company should come before the environment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Gnarcore said: I like those ideas but who is going to pay for it? I sure as &^@# don't want my taxes to pay for Alberta oil to be shipped in a safer fashion. some of it comes from business directly some comes from the feds some may come from bc and some will come from alberta but most assuredly it won't be a negative drain.........................it just has to be worth the risk................meaning the money has to take care of everything and there has to be benefit to all parties ..................in saying all that, I don't want an ounce spilt in our waters! And that's on Alberta to ensure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Umbrus Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 On 2018-02-13 at 8:50 PM, janisahockeynut said: I am not on one side or the other of this argument, but I have some things to add.......... I was a Oil Spill Response Person in BC. I have 26 years of being a captain and another 6 years as being a deckhand...........I have responded to thousands of small oil spills and have been on countless Oil spill Courses from all levels of Government and Industry........for all sizes of spills I have always wondered how the environment recovers so fast from a major spill (Exxon Valdes) or the countless Oiltankers that were sunk during World War 2, just to name a few........have they totally recovered? Your guess is as good as mine. I also wonder about the natural oil spills that occur when there is a shift in the earths crust........or the endless storm drains that empty out along the shore lines of all the major cities along the coasts. In most cases 99% of all storm drains do not go through oily water separators .......the amount of oil which is dripped from car engines each day of each year is staggering......... Yet, we pollute and do not ask those questions out of convenience or ignorance or indifference...........shame to everybody! I would suggest that tankers are safe, and that there are redundant systems in place on all tankers, including powerful tugs that can escort the ships out to open waters........... (the Pacific Ocean). If we object to the amount of tugs being used, we can add more......if we object to the berthing procedures, we can improve them, ...........if we object to the crewing requirements, we can improve them..... As someone has said, we have the best safety records in the marine world, and have not had a major spill in the Georgia Basin/Salish Sea or the gulf islands ever or at least in my 40 + years on the ocean. Do I want a spill or a real chance of a spill? NO!..............but we can not ignore that the world is still using fossil fuels, and until we come up with a better fuel source, we are stuck with the one we have........ Consider no fossil fuels..........enjoy the bare foot walks.........and contemplate how much pollution 2 million horse will cause in Greater Vancouver alone, or how much electrical power it will take to fuel all the batteries, or the odd radiation leak from a nuclear plant .........maybe we should just burn wood or coal? People tend to argue over issues, without considering all the consequences The worlds population demands the oil! Or an alternative fuel source....................but every idea has its draw backs.......aka.....Site C Dam We are consumers! That is reality! .....................I would demand over-kill in safety features......but that is only money! All very good points to bring up/think about. Some people say we go “over board” on safety and environmental regulations in Canada. But I think it’s commendable. Our trades people are highly sought after world wide because of our level of training. This is not to slight other countries. But I like that we are a leader in industry practices. Not every country follows step with us, but I can sleep at night knowing we are doing our best, and always trying to improve our practices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 7 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: some of it comes from business directly some comes from the feds some may come from bc and some will come from alberta but most assuredly it won't be a negative drain.........................it just has to be worth the risk................meaning the money has to take care of everything and there has to be benefit to all parties ..................in saying all that, I don't want an ounce spilt in our waters! And that's on Alberta to ensure! 1) Sounds good. 2) Doesn't look like they have any intention at this. They haven't even issued a proper spill plan at this point. 3) It better &^@#ing not for our 1/12th share. We make far more off tourism and fishing. 4) They don't seem to want to. Those dumb bastards only get 5.4% of what their trash heavy crude sells for. If we got say 25% of that it's worth it but at 1/12th it's not remotely for us. The way it is BC should not spend a &^@#ing dime for the pittance we receive to assume all risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 On 2/15/2018 at 9:47 AM, janisahockeynut said: My view is that people should keep up the pressure and force the governments to increase the safety features.............. - increase terminal safety - increase docking facilitiy safety features - allow only day time entry and departures in and out of Canadian waters (it take less than 8 hours to get to Vancouver from Brotchie(Victoria) - navigation only when calm waters exist (under 15 knots) - have 4-2500 hp tugs to escort freighters at all times in Canadian waters (from time of entry into Canadian waters to the time of docking and out the same way) - a dedicated marine channel for all fuel tankers - CCCG/police escort in from sea and back out That is just some of the features I would insist on................I am sure there are many other safety procedures that will exist, if it goes ahead Money is taking precedence over the health of BC's coastline and corresponding industries. (fishing etc.) People are not opposed to the pipeline just for the sake of it. Lip service is not enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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