Toni Zamboni Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 3 to 4 year term would be my preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 15 minutes ago, bloodycanuckleheads said: If that were true, then the analytics would show those benefits. Because, we'd be scoring more goals and/or having less scored on us. But, that's not the case. but they don't yet for defensemen. Tanev doesn't have good possession numbers either, but we all know how important he is to the team. I haven't seen anything yet that resembles an independent analysis of d quality. Maybe you have and can post it, but simple possession numbers for defensive d never tells the whole story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 minute ago, aGENT said: English? Damn auto spell correcter wow that ended up making no sense, that's one reason I have so many edits. Moneyball changed MLB, I guess hockey is right. Who needs stats eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said: but they don't yet for defensemen. Tanev doesn't have good possession numbers either, but we all know how important he is to the team. I haven't seen anything yet that resembles an independent analysis of d quality. Maybe you have and can post it, but simple possession numbers for defensive d never tells the whole story. Defensive players in general. Same 'problem' people have with the Sutter trade (and contract). Undervaluing and poor measuring (or understanding of those measurements) what defensive leaning players bring to a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Just now, TheGuardian_ said: Damn auto spell correcter wow that ended up making no sense, that's one reason I have so many edits. Moneyball changed MLB, I guess hockey is right. Who needs stats eh? Nobody is saying that. Don't straw man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 4mil/4-5 years. Please Benning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, aGENT said: Gotta throw PIECHARTS!!!! ...in there somewhere too. Pies are a wholesome treat enjoyed by many. In fact I enjoyed a blueberry apple pie just last night. canucks army not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodycanuckleheads Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, aGENT said: You can't seriously know anything about analytics and think the two sports are remotely comparable in that regard. Quote but they don't yet for defensemen. Tanev doesn't have good possession numbers either, but we all know how important he is to the team. I haven't seen anything yet that resembles an independent analysis of d quality. Maybe you have and can post it, but simple possession numbers for defensive d never tells the whole story. Both of you are completely wrong. Analytics work for every position in every sport. Here, I'll prove it to you (although, aGENT will never admit that he's wrong, he'll just start attacking everyone like he's already been doing). Let's take a sport that analytics shouldn't work on: bobsledding. You and I have equal times. You take an old-fashioned approach and plan your slides based on what 'feels right.' I, on the other hand, use science. I analyze each turn scientifically/mathematically to find the best/quickest/fastest route through. In all my practice-runs, I time each entry and exit to see which ones are fastest. Then, I analyze those to see why they were faster. Then, I put together the route that the analytics told me was best. Who wins now? Right, I absolutely slaughter you and your old-school approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, Qwags said: 4mil/4-5 years. Please Benning. That's then likely scenario. Maybe 4.25-4.5 x 5, but he will be locked in as part of our next defensive core for sure. Tryamkin will most likely return after his KHL contract too, so we will have the twin towers to look forward too just as this team kicks into high gear, all the youth peaking at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Just now, aGENT said: It's really just a matter of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Qwags said: It's really just a matter of time. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysACanuckFan Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Botchford somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 17 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: Moneyball changed MLB, I guess hockey is right. Who needs stats eh? not saying that, I'm saying we don't have accurate stat methods yet for assessing defensive d. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Just now, AlwaysACanuckFan said: Botchford somewhere He's either going to backpedal hard, or double down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, Qwags said: He's either going to backpedal hard, or double down. Botchford is giggling like Elmo in some basement corner of The Province building... he's going to have years of negative opinions to tweet now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hypocritical Cranium Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 4 x 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 hour ago, PhillipBlunt said: As soon as I saw that the link was to a Canucks Army article, I realized that the post wasn't worth checking out. I don't think that we're going to have realistic stats on defensive play until they start doing actual body tracking of players. Until then I guess we always have Travis Yost..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeBee51 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 hour ago, TheGuardian_ said: Damn auto spell correcter wow that ended up making no sense, that's one reason I have so many edits. Moneyball changed MLB, I guess hockey is right. Who needs stats eh? Sorta the way baseball hasn't really figured out good defense metrics yet either. Still a WIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeBee51 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 hour ago, riffraff said: Pies are a wholesome treat enjoyed by many. In fact I enjoyed a blueberry apple pie just last night. canucks army not so much. Probably cause they're a blackbird pie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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