CaptainLinden16 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, oldnews said: Bobby Ryan (33% retained, duration). Pitt 1st 18 Det 2nd 18 Ben Hutton. hahahaha you are just planning on thieving... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, CaptainLinden16 said: That's not what I said. You make the trade with Buffalo on the condition that you can talk to his agent first. You call ask for his numbers. Give a proposal. Kane says yes you do it. He says no then you move on without the deal. Still not worth it when we already know he wants to play here. I doubt his numbers will drop that much from now until July 1st. If anything his value is decreasing the more he slumps at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, CaptainLinden16 said: hahahaha you are just planning on thieving... no I'm kinda serious. Bobby Ryan has 21 pts this year. 25 pts last year. And 4 more years at 7.5 million cap hit. That is the price to take a dump of that proportion. Something Melnyk is desperate to do - dump, dump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Gotta take advantage of your assets. Right now, over the next few years ours will be capspace. We can do some thievery by keeping an ear to the ground and "rescue" teams, especially contenders, that need some help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, oldnews said: no I'm kinda serious. Bobby Ryan has 21 pts this year. 25 pts last year. And 4 more years at 7.5 million cap hit. That is the price to take a dump of that proportion. Something Melnyk is desperate to do - dump, dump. He has a different role. He wrote about it in the Player's Tribune last playoffs. He writes fans think he is playing terribly and giving him advice at the grocery store when in fact he is doing everything that Boucher is asking him to do. Put him in a different role and who knows where his scoring will be at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, oldnews said: no I'm kinda serious. Bobby Ryan has 21 pts this year. 25 pts last year. And 4 more years at 7.5 million cap hit. That is the price to take a dump of that proportion. Something Melnyk is desperate to do - dump, dump. Wasn't he severely concussed in training camp two years ago by a guy from the farm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, oldnews said: no I'm kinda serious. Bobby Ryan has 21 pts this year. 25 pts last year. And 4 more years at 7.5 million cap hit. That is the price to take a dump of that proportion. Something Melnyk is desperate to do - dump, dump. Maybe Melnyk needs him some: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainLinden16 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Hutton Wink said: Gotta take advantage of your assets. Right now, over the next few years ours will be capspace. We can do some thievery by keeping an ear to the ground and "rescue" teams, especially contenders, that need some help. I still hope that the thieving we do is Karlsson. It seems like they want quantity over quality. We got that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, riffraff said: Wasn't he severely concussed in training camp two years ago by a guy from the farm? He fought the guy - Sieloff. It was Clarke MacArthur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Benning has said in the past he wasn't going to take on cap dumps for assets. Hopefully over the past year of negotiations and such with the owners he's been able to change their mind on it. Even better if they pick a guy up and he becomes rejuvenated and provides some value. Having Ryan would also put another float in the Sedin retirement parade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, mll said: He has a different role. He wrote about it in the Player's Tribune last playoffs. He writes fans think he is playing terribly and giving him advice at the grocery store when in fact he is doing everything that Boucher is asking him to do. Put him in a different role and who knows where his scoring will be at. 53.5% ozone starts 49.2 corsi 2:50 of powerplay time per game 0:00 penalty killing He's played with Hoffman, Duchene, Brassard and Stone.... Boucher can try to shine that however he wants - his terms are absolutely horrible - not sure what magic angle they have to fluff that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 11 minutes ago, mll said: He fought the guy - Sieloff. It was Clarke MacArthur. Right thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Naslund Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 We can't afford to take cap dumps for assets because of the potential Luongo recapture penalty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 I'm still saying that I think the physical forward that Benning is targeting is Evander Kane. I'm still not saying that I think its a good idea to target him before July 1st, but its still itching at the back of my brain that Benning is trying to bring him here before the deadline and sign him to an extension and avoid bidding for him July 1. Time will tell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 34 minutes ago, .Naslund said: We can't afford to take cap dumps for assets because of the potential Luongo recapture penalty! Can't let a what-if tie our hands. Deal with it if it happens, when it happens. Cap is going up as it is anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, VegasCanuck said: avoid bidding for him July 1. Still better paying a bit more in salary as a UFA than surrendering any significant assets. Capspace is our friend the next few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Hutton Wink said: Still better paying a bit more in salary as a UFA than surrendering any significant assets. Capspace is our friend the next few years. Agree completely, I didn't say I thought it was a good idea, just that I have a really strong feeling that Benning is chasing Kane and wants him here right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: I'm still saying that I think the physical forward that Benning is targeting is Evander Kane. I'm still not saying that I think its a good idea to target him before July 1st, but its still itching at the back of my brain that Benning is trying to bring him here before the deadline and sign him to an extension and avoid bidding for him July 1. Time will tell... If it`s like Hutton and a 3rd, sure as long as it`s a sign and trade and we acquire at least that 3rd back in a separate deal. Adding Kane to the mix would definitely give us that edge we`re looking for. Just gotta hope they`ve done their homework on him and believe that he`s matured, or that being home would have him more focused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, DeNiro said: If it`s like Hutton and a 3rd, sure as long as it`s a sign and trade and we acquire at least that 3rd back in a separate deal. Adding Kane to the mix would definitely give us that edge we`re looking for. Just gotta hope they`ve done their homework on him and believe that he`s matured, or that being home would have him more focused. I've said in one of the other groups as well, that I thought that Buffalo is having trouble moving him for appropriate value and might consider doing something more creative. I think the teams that are real competitors for the cup this year, for the most part, don't have the cap space to absorb a hit like Kane, and that the only way he goes to a non contending team is if he immediately signs an extension, which Vancouver would clearly be ready to to do. Was wondering if they might consider something like: To Van: Kane (Insert name for contract dump here - balance contract cap a little) To Buffalo Vanek Hutton Baerschi (another left winger - offset Buffalo loosing a left wing) Buffalo would then turn around and trade Vanek (I think much more tradeable because of his cap hit, for a 2nd or 3rd to boost their return. Possibly a 3rd team involved in the trade to take Vanek immediately. I have no idea if this happens or if anything like this is even being floated, other than a feeling that Benning REALLY wants Kane here and might be willing to push things to get him here now instead of waiting till July 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: I've said in one of the other groups as well, that I thought that Buffalo is having trouble moving him for appropriate value and might consider doing something more creative. I think the teams that are real competitors for the cup this year, for the most part, don't have the cap space to absorb a hit like Kane, and that the only way he goes to a non contending team is if he immediately signs an extension, which Vancouver would clearly be ready to to do. Was wondering if they might consider something like: To Van: Kane (Insert name for contract dump here - balance contract cap a little) To Buffalo Vanek Hutton Baerschi (another left winger - offset Buffalo loosing a left wing) Buffalo would then turn around and trade Vanek (I think much more tradeable because of his cap hit, for a 2nd or 3rd to boost their return. Possibly a 3rd team involved in the trade to take Vanek immediately. I have no idea if this happens or if anything like this is even being floated, other than a feeling that Benning REALLY wants Kane here and might be willing to push things to get him here now instead of waiting till July 1. Kane seems to be really looking forward to playing in his first NHL playoffs. He might resent that trade and then decide to sign with a contender instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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