-Vintage Canuck- Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 The rumour is false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 5 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: The rumour is false. No wonder why Max Pacioretty wants out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 I guess this is what you might get when the GM and the owner aren't on the same page... and apparently it's not a real story. regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 7 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: The rumour is false. That’s it no TV for a week! Oh how can I stay mad at you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 9 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: The rumour is false. The Serg and Subban trades set them back. Makes Benning look like Scotty Bowman in comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, messier's_elbow said: The Serg and Subban trades set them back. Makes Benning look like Scotty Bowman in comparison. Not the Subban trade. Gallagher's recent comments made it pretty obvious that there was an issue in the room, add to Price saying that Subban refused to play within their system and ownership upset that his brand was overshadowing Montreal's - not much choice left but to move him. He matured a lot in Nashville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorvatToBaertschi Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, mll said: Not the Subban trade. Gallagher's recent comments made it pretty obvious that there was an issue in the room, add to Price saying that Subban refused to play within their system and ownership upset that his brand was overshadowing Montreal's - not much choice left but to move him. He matured a lot in Nashville. You cant expect a player like Subban or Karlsson to play within a system. They are highly instinctive players, and are phenomenal when given a looong leash. Im in the Subby camp on this one. Look at his success in NSH, its not at all surprising. I guess nsh has the advantage of havinh ekholm and josi to counterbalance ellis and subban so maybe its not a fair comparison to Mtl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, HorvatToBaertschi said: You cant expect a player like Subban or Karlsson to play within a system. They are highly instinctive players, and are phenomenal when given a looong leash. Im in the Subby camp on this one. Look at his success in NSH, its not at all surprising. I guess nsh has the advantage of havinh ekholm and josi to counterbalance ellis and subban so maybe its not a fair comparison to Mtl. He learned how to play his game within their system. Nashville makes sure to target players who can play their game within how they want to play as a team. Fisher said he had a lot of discussion with Subban for him to understand what they are trying to do. He matured a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, mll said: He learned how to play his game within their system. Nashville makes sure to target players who can play their game within how they want to play as a team. Fisher said he had a lot of discussion with Subban for him to understand what they are trying to do. He matured a lot. Therefore the fault likes more on the Habs Organization than Subban himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, HorvatToBaertschi said: You cant expect a player like Subban or Karlsson to play within a system. They are highly instinctive players, and are phenomenal when given a looong leash. Im in the Subby camp on this one. Look at his success in NSH, its not at all surprising. I guess nsh has the advantage of havinh ekholm and josi to counterbalance ellis and subban so maybe its not a fair comparison to Mtl. True elite players like Subban are the hardest thing to get in the NHL, you don't trade them and you don't force them into the team philosophy, you build your team around them and build the team philosophy from your stars out. Montreal looks at it's amazing history and expects the best players to bend around them, this just seems so backwards. The league does better when star driven and Subban is great for the league and his team. The stuffed suits on Montreal didn't like that and made a stupid deal. Burns and Jumbo Joe bring a lot of the same sort of jocular attitude to their team and are celebrated for it. Wonder what the main difference is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 27 minutes ago, iinatcc said: Therefore the fault likes more on the Habs Organization than Subban himself He wasn't willing to change in Montreal. He did in Nashville but the adjustment was less dramatic than what was asked for him in Montreal. Bergevin wants the puck to move up as quickly as possible to the Fs. He says the puck moves quicker if you pass it than if you skate it - even if it means dumping it in. They count on the Fs to get to the puck first - they had very speedy forwards. Subban wanted to skate the puck. In Nashville they want their Ds to skate the puck - they say it's not enough to make a first pass. They want them as an integral part of their attack and even expect them to be able to cycle with the Fs in the o-zone. That's not Weber but Subban. Weber was a better fit in Montreal re style of play and Subban a better fit in Nashville. And then there were also the off-ice reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: True elite players like Subban are the hardest thing to get in the NHL, you don't trade them and you don't force them into the team philosophy, you build your team around them and build the team philosophy from your stars out. Montreal looks at it's amazing history and expects the best players to bend around them, this just seems so backwards. The league does better when star driven and Subban is great for the league and his team. The stuffed suits on Montreal didn't like that and made a stupid deal. Burns and Jumbo Joe bring a lot of the same sort of jocular attitude to their team and are celebrated for it. Wonder what the main difference is. Nashville disagrees - they tried that initially and Poile said it never made for a team because there was no cohesion. Once Laviolette took over they set their style of play and then went about to find the players that fit. They changed their approach to drafting, trades etc to make sure that everything aligns to how Laviolette wants to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 2 hours ago, HorvatToBaertschi said: You cant expect a player like Subban or Karlsson to play within a system. They are highly instinctive players, and are phenomenal when given a looong leash. Im in the Subby camp on this one. Look at his success in NSH, its not at all surprising. I guess nsh has the advantage of havinh ekholm and josi to counterbalance ellis and subban so maybe its not a fair comparison to Mtl. It must be tough on the good ship Poutine as the water gets deeper. While I would take Karlsson over Subban they both have defensive weaknesses that get exposed in CUP play. During the regular season this can be ignored to an extent but one has to wonder what it does to team culture and unity. It obviously did not work in Montreal and one can wonder about Ottawa. The Sens have had a lot of very good talent come into the org and it has not united even with a number of different coaches. Something is wrong there. So rumour has it that Subban goes for Karlsson plus details. Wouldn't that just rub Montreal the wrong way. So close yet so far.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SingleThorn Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, DrJockitch said: Burns and Jumbo Joe bring a lot of the same sort of jocular attitude to their team and are celebrated for it. Wonder what the main difference is. Kudos for a thinly veiled shot across the PC bow. I'm assuming you're being passive aggressive here, but I think that you're alluding to something that doesn't/ didn't exist ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorvatToBaertschi Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Boudrias said: It must be tough on the good ship Poutine as the water gets deeper. While I would take Karlsson over Subban they both have defensive weaknesses that get exposed in CUP play. During the regular season this can be ignored to an extent but one has to wonder what it does to team culture and unity. It obviously did not work in Montreal and one can wonder about Ottawa. The Sens have had a lot of very good talent come into the org and it has not united even with a number of different coaches. Something is wrong there. So rumour has it that Subban goes for Karlsson plus details. Wouldn't that just rub Montreal the wrong way. So close yet so far.... Subban was brilliant in 2010 2014 and last years' cup run..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 On 2018-02-21 at 3:12 PM, fivethej said: Assuming this true is he finally getting fired and that it took him trading Jakub Jerabek as last straw. https://news.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/nhl-gm-has-been-shut-down-by-owner-after-another-bad-trade "Especially when you replace them by Benn, Alzner, Morrow, Weber, Schlemko." Cheap, bs reporting by Jared- seems to have missed Drouin as one of the replacements. There is enough wrong with what Montreal has done, don't need to make it look worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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