mikeyman109 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, VegasCanuck said: Bonuses on top of base salary happen all the time with players. Very few contracts don't include performance incentives. They have no cap issues they have plenty of room to do incentive laden contracts. It would be different if we were p against the cap ceiling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 comparables would put in around 1.25 +/- 250k, Duclair money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mackcanuck Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said: They have no cap issues they have plenty of room to do incentive laden contracts. It would be different if we were p against the cap ceiling Luongo cap recapture awaits us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 21 minutes ago, -AJ- said: I think he gets $2M max, but probably a bit less. I'd guess between $1.6M and $1.9M for two years. He hasn't yet proven himself stable over a long period of time yet. If by incentives, you mean bonuses, they can't be done on deals after the Entry Level Contract. The only options for bonuses are ELCs and one-year deals for players over 35. Was actually not aware that they couldn't receive performance bonus after ELC. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Mackcanuck said: Luongo cap recapture awaits us. Don't worry, in another year or two, Lu is going to develop a weird allergy to puck rubber making it medically necessary to not play any longer, just like Hossa did in Chicago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 1- Nuclear war, ala Strangelove 2- Yellowstone goes full-Hillary 3- Alien Invasion(my Gawd! they resemble lil' Bettmans!) 4- Karma for western hegemony/crumbling empires 5- Moods of the Missus 6- Yearning for concubines 7- Lu's contract It's far down the laundry list of worries..U guys gotta' relax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 12 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: Don't worry, in another year or two, Lu is going to develop a weird allergy to puck rubber making it medically necessary to not play any longer, just like Hossa did in Chicago! yah there's no way Lu turns down the LTIR paycheques. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Interesting thread. For me we have too many prospects coming up to focus on one player who's been given every chance to make it work in the NHL and is still having difficulties making it all work. His skating is outstanding. He also has a hard accurate shot. He can also crush guys but doesn't do it very often. I think he's done enough to offer him a two year bridge show me more deal only. We can't worry about what he can become if he does than great sign him again for more money, if he doesn't than not a problem, trade him for what we can get or play him on the third line and steer his game more towards a Torres type role (which in fact could be his peak). 1-1.5 million, two years is fair. If he turns into a top six 50 point guy then great, he gets his pay day, if not give someone else a turn and flip him or extend him to play in the bottom six. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said: 1- Nuclear war, ala Strangelove 2- Yellowstone goes full-Hillary 3- Alien Invasion(my Gawd! they resemble lil' Bettmans!) 4- Karma for western hegemony/crumbling empires 5- Moods of the Missus 6- Yearning for concubines 7- Lu's contract It's far down the laundry list of worries..U guys gotta' relax. Cloning could expedite this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 17 minutes ago, LowerMainLander18 said: As one of the worst teams in the league at the moment, it would be unwise to make comparisons within our group.. But I agree with you that we carry some of the worst contracts (beginning with Eriks) So we shouldn't offer him a multi-million dollar contract just because there are other bad signings within the team that pays more than him. Also, he is still a rough cut. Paying him too much wouldn't really give him incentives to get better. So, as few of us posted earlier in this thread, I think 1M/ season Bridge deal is fair. (1.5M max..) And from what we have seen from him this season, I'd rather take the risk of paying him more after this bridge deal than to pay him handsomely for let's say 4~ 5 years. This year Jake has 17 pts in 65 games for 0.26 PPG. Last year his PPG was very similar (0.24). That is a 4th line level. His +/- is -10 despite playing relatively easy minutes. He is not good enough defensively to play PK or shutdown (at least not on a decent team) and not good enough offensively to play top 6 on a decent team. And he cannot be counted on to provide consistent intensity of the type you want from 4th liners, although his consistency is improving. He does have excellent speed and contributes to the physical game, so those are positives. However, right now, I do not see him as any more valuable than Archibald (0.29 PPG). Archie is a slow skater, whereas Jake has speed, but I think Archie provides more deterrence value as a tough guy and is better defensively. And Archie is close to the NHL minimum (650K). When Gaunce is healthy (next year), Jake will also be competing with him for ice-time, and Gaunce is getting 750K. My point is that right now, Jake is a 4th liner and, even on the Canucks, will be in competition with replacement level players for ice time next year. On most NHL teams this year he probably would have been in the AHL. Of course, the hope is that he develops. He has much more upside than Archie or Gaunce. With his size, speed, physical play, and flashes of intensity, his potential is tantalizing. But, by the draft+4 year, most forwards are not all that far away from peak performance with only a small to moderate amount of additional upside. Some guys are late bloomers, and we can hope Jake is one of those guys. But right now it is just hope. He also has no leverage in negotiations. I think 1 million per year for a two-year deal is about right. Anything more is too much, although it would not surprise me to see Benning overpay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhorvat Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 2yrs @ 1.5 per Hes not worth more thn that at the moment. If hes still putting up same type of production as he is now in year 2 of the deal thn its safe to say hes pretty much a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: Cloning could expedite this Gotta coupla' French Maid Robots, with the Missus' blessings. Both are runnin' low on batteries... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Gotta coupla' French Maid Robots, with the Missus' blessings. Both are runnin' low on batteries... The new nuclear powered models? Gotta be careful with those, when they blow, they really blow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, VegasCanuck said: The new nuclear powered models? Gotta be careful with those, when they blow, they really blow! This high-tech sensuality has hit the modern man like a tsunami(he stood silently saluting upon the beach)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 & with that folks, it's off for the morning run. Go longgg on Jake(I tells ya)..he's a keeper, & will thrive with the right linemates on a climbing team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 2.25x3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Jake Virtanen is a 21 year old prospect with high expectations. He has not met those expectations yet, but there's is still a lot of room for improvement. Why does anyone think he would agree to anything longer than a 2 year deal? Let's say he gets offered $10 million for 4 years, 2.5/yr. Why would he take this? If he thinks he will improve and score 30-50 points in the coming years he will be worth more than just that. Better to take two years at a cheaper rate and work his way towards the big payday. On the office side, a shorter term deal is better if you're trying to trade the asset... for some odd reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 hour ago, VegasCanuck said: Was actually not aware that they couldn't receive performance bonus after ELC. Thanks! Thats what I was thinking when I quoted you. I was pretty sure it was just ELC and maybe 35+ but that may have been taken out in a previous CBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNate Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bob.Loblaw said: Jake Virtanen is a 21 year old prospect with high expectations. He has not met those expectations yet, but there's is still a lot of room for improvement. Why does anyone think he would agree to anything longer than a 2 year deal? Let's say he gets offered $10 million for 4 years, 2.5/yr. Why would he take this? If he thinks he will improve and score 30-50 points in the coming years he will be worth more than just that. Better to take two years at a cheaper rate and work his way towards the big payday. On the office side, a shorter term deal is better if you're trying to trade the asset... for some odd reason. I understand what you are saying, but the risk runs both ways. I am confident he will reach a high level of play, but it is just as likely that he is in the AHL or Europe in 2 years. If he has a chance to sign a 4 year $10 million deal, I am sure he jumps at that. Guaranntee your families financial future by the time your 25, with the chance for another huge contract after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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