TheGuardian_ Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Came up with a few ideas on how to make the draft do what it was intended to do, help the bottom teams. Tanking is what really caused all these convoluted attempts to prevent tanking for a "generational" player. Everyone know that tanking has been around for 40 or more years, Pittsburgh and Mario at least and before that as well. For the most part tanking is a one year deal to get to the bottom for that one particular draft, so here are three ideas Some are complex and still have holes but the intent is to prevent tanking and help the teams that need it. And to make the draft easy and transparent. Lottery #1 The bottom 3 teams are determined by their standings over a 3 year period. They are the only 3 teams eligible (lottery)for the #1 pick. The rest of the first round is determined by the standings of that year. To prevent the same team winning the #1 pick multiples of years; If the same 3 teams are bottom three the following draft then the team that won the 1rst overall the year before cannot win it two years in a row and only eligible for the #2 or #3 selection. The other 2 teams then select (lottery) between them for the #1 pick Should the same 3 teams stay at the bottom for a third draft year then the team that has not had a #1 pick is awarded without a lottery At best if the same 3 teams are the worst 3 years in a row and each has a #1 and two of either #2 or #3 selections then the next worst team bumps into the lottery for #1, the rest select according to the standings for that year. This is for the first round only, the subsequent rounds are in order of that years standings. Lottery 2; The draft position is still determined by an average of 3 years standings. Only the bottom 3 are in the lottery for #1. If the same team that won the number one the year before is still bottom 3 then they go to the #4 draft spot and the next worst team by the 3 average moves to the lottery for the #1 pick. The remainder of the 1rst round after the bottom 3 are determined is by that years standings No team can pick #1 more than once every 4 years, no team can select in the first three spots more than 3 years in a row. This eliminates tanking a single season for a "generational" player, helps the bottom teams, allows for more trading earlier Straight up; Bottom three determined by an average standings over 3 years Picks issued by that average, no lottery. No team can pick #1 two years in a row unless traded for. If the same team is DFL two years in a row they move down one spot to #2 and the next worst team selects #1. If any team is bottom three 3 years in a row, then the next, fourth worst team over the 3 year period bumps up to #3. If the same team is bottom 4 years in a row then #4 & #5 move up one and that team selects at #6. If more than 1 team then two teams move up and those two teams move down those two spots, 4 & 5 still by league averaged standings. Remainder of draft and subsequent rounds by current standings after the bottom 3 are determined. The idea being the process is transparent and easy to figure out, simply is the best. No team is going to want to be in the bottom 3, three years in a row and if they are then they cannot pick in the top three for the next three years, just in case they are run really badly. Q & A? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 The reaction of fans after the change in lottery odds has shown me that no matter how much you change the lottery odds, fans will want to tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Here's my solution: leave it the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanuck94 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I have a pretty simple solution, if you win the lottery, you can move up a max 3 spots. Outside of the bottom 4 teams, no one else can claim #1 ovr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 The lottery only applies to the bottom 5 teams all with equal odds of winning 1st overall. The lottery is done by a third party with no NHL affiliation and is done live. teams that need help get it and it’s simple The rest draft by position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 There should be no lottery, but it's here to stay. The NHL is able to make a show out of it, so it's easy money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dura_mater Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 54 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: Came up with a few ideas on how to make the draft do what it was intended to do, help the bottom teams. Tanking is what really caused all these convoluted attempts to prevent tanking for a "generational" player. Everyone know that tanking has been around for 40 or more years, Pittsburgh and Mario at least and before that as well. For the most part tanking is a one year deal to get to the bottom for that one particular draft, so here are three ideas Some are complex and still have holes but the intent is to prevent tanking and help the teams that need it. And to make the draft easy and transparent. Lottery #1 The bottom 3 teams are determined by their standings over a 3 year period. They are the only 3 teams eligible (lottery)for the #1 pick. The rest of the first round is determined by the standings of that year. To prevent the same team winning the #1 pick multiples of years; If the same 3 teams are bottom three the following draft then the team that won the 1rst overall the year before cannot win it two years in a row and only eligible for the #2 or #3 selection. The other 2 teams then select (lottery) between them for the #1 pick Should the same 3 teams stay at the bottom for a third draft year then the team that has not had a #1 pick is awarded without a lottery At best if the same 3 teams are the worst 3 years in a row and each has a #1 and two of either #2 or #3 selections then the next worst team bumps into the lottery for #1, the rest select according to the standings for that year. This is for the first round only, the subsequent rounds are in order of that years standings. Lottery 2; The draft position is still determined by an average of 3 years standings. Only the bottom 3 are in the lottery for #1. If the same team that won the number one the year before is still bottom 3 then they go to the #4 draft spot and the next worst team by the 3 average moves to the lottery for the #1 pick. The remainder of the 1rst round after the bottom 3 are determined is by that years standings No team can pick #1 more than once every 4 years, no team can select in the first three spots more than 3 years in a row. This eliminates tanking a single season for a "generational" player, helps the bottom teams, allows for more trading earlier Straight up; Bottom three determined by an average standings over 3 years Picks issued by that average, no lottery. No team can pick #1 two years in a row unless traded for. If the same team is DFL two years in a row they move down one spot to #2 and the next worst team selects #1. If any team is bottom three 3 years in a row, then the next, fourth worst team over the 3 year period bumps up to #3. If the same team is bottom 4 years in a row then #4 & #5 move up one and that team selects at #6. If more than 1 team then two teams move up and those two teams move down those two spots, 4 & 5 still by league averaged standings. Remainder of draft and subsequent rounds by current standings after the bottom 3 are determined. The idea being the process is transparent and easy to figure out, simply is the best. No team is going to want to be in the bottom 3, three years in a row and if they are then they cannot pick in the top three for the next three years, just in case they are run really badly. Q & A? Tanking is when players throw games. This doesn't happen in the NHL. Management may sell off assets putting their team in a worse position but this is not the same as tanking as much as some fans want to think it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Only problem to get rid of:---Gary's thumb on the scales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 54 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: Came up with a few ideas on how to make the draft do what it was intended to do, help the bottom teams. Tanking is what really caused all these convoluted attempts to prevent tanking for a "generational" player. Everyone know that tanking has been around for 40 or more years, Pittsburgh and Mario at least and before that as well. For the most part tanking is a one year deal to get to the bottom for that one particular draft, so here are three ideas Some are complex and still have holes but the intent is to prevent tanking and help the teams that need it. And to make the draft easy and transparent. Lottery #1 The bottom 3 teams are determined by their standings over a 3 year period. They are the only 3 teams eligible (lottery)for the #1 pick. The rest of the first round is determined by the standings of that year. To prevent the same team winning the #1 pick multiples of years; If the same 3 teams are bottom three the following draft then the team that won the 1rst overall the year before cannot win it two years in a row and only eligible for the #2 or #3 selection. The other 2 teams then select (lottery) between them for the #1 pick Should the same 3 teams stay at the bottom for a third draft year then the team that has not had a #1 pick is awarded without a lottery At best if the same 3 teams are the worst 3 years in a row and each has a #1 and two of either #2 or #3 selections then the next worst team bumps into the lottery for #1, the rest select according to the standings for that year. This is for the first round only, the subsequent rounds are in order of that years standings. Lottery 2; The draft position is still determined by an average of 3 years standings. Only the bottom 3 are in the lottery for #1. If the same team that won the number one the year before is still bottom 3 then they go to the #4 draft spot and the next worst team by the 3 average moves to the lottery for the #1 pick. The remainder of the 1rst round after the bottom 3 are determined is by that years standings No team can pick #1 more than once every 4 years, no team can select in the first three spots more than 3 years in a row. This eliminates tanking a single season for a "generational" player, helps the bottom teams, allows for more trading earlier Straight up; Bottom three determined by an average standings over 3 years Picks issued by that average, no lottery. No team can pick #1 two years in a row unless traded for. If the same team is DFL two years in a row they move down one spot to #2 and the next worst team selects #1. If any team is bottom three 3 years in a row, then the next, fourth worst team over the 3 year period bumps up to #3. If the same team is bottom 4 years in a row then #4 & #5 move up one and that team selects at #6. If more than 1 team then two teams move up and those two teams move down those two spots, 4 & 5 still by league averaged standings. Remainder of draft and subsequent rounds by current standings after the bottom 3 are determined. The idea being the process is transparent and easy to figure out, simply is the best. No team is going to want to be in the bottom 3, three years in a row and if they are then they cannot pick in the top three for the next three years, just in case they are run really badly. Q & A? I like your Straight Up system. I posted a similar one about a year ago in a similar thread. I do not like the lottery. Period. I kind of like the caviat that no team can draft in the same spot in the top 5 twice in 5 years. So if you draft 1st you cannot draft 1st again until year 6. if you draft 2 you cannot draft 2rd. You can only move down, not up. Or you cannot draft top five more than 3 times. Either way after a few years there will be a list of teams drafting 6 and up leaving the top spots open for teams that have not tanked but also giving the bad teams several top picks before they are shunted down the draft order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, dura_mater said: Tanking is when players throw games. This doesn't happen in the NHL. Management may sell off assets putting their team in a worse position but this is not the same as tanking as much as some fans want to think it is. where did you get that deffinition? Of course players don't tank, it is their job to lose. Coaches don't tank either, except Eddie J oops Lou Angotti. and he lost his job too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, dura_mater said: Tanking is when players throw games. This doesn't happen in the NHL. Management may sell off assets putting their team in a worse position but this is not the same as tanking as much as some fans want to think it is. Here you go; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dura_mater Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, lmm said: where did you get that deffinition? Of course players don't tank, it is their job to lose. "It is their job to lose"? That is the traditional definition of a tank. The term has been so watered down that everyone thinks any team at the bottom of the standings is tanking. Players have salaries to play for. 1 minute ago, TheGuardian_ said: Here you go; Thanks Guardian but I don't have time to watch. Is it current to todays NHL? Players these days can't afford to tank as they have contracts to play for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, lmm said: where did you get that deffinition? Of course players don't tank, it is their job to lose. Coaches don't tank either, except Eddie J oops Lou Angotti. and he lost his job too. let me rephrase that. If they tank they are the ones to lose their job. poor wording on my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Here’s my solution. Aquilini just friggin’ pay off Bettman. Done. We pick first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 36 minutes ago, dura_mater said: "It is their job to lose"? That is the traditional definition of a tank. The term has been so watered down that everyone thinks any team at the bottom of the standings is tanking. Players have salaries to play for. Thanks Guardian but I don't have time to watch. Is it current to todays NHL? Players these days can't afford to tank as they have contracts to play for. Buffalo, 2015, TO, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 19 minutes ago, Alflives said: Here’s my solution. Aquilini just friggin’ pay off Bettman. Done. We pick first. Make him a hawwfer he can't refuse. The payoff is the decade out of the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Am.Ironman Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I like the lottery for the top-3 picks but I think the system needs to be altered. Teams like Chicago and NYR should not be eligible for the 1st OA this year. I like the 3 year average idea. What I have brainstormed is that there is only 1 lottery slot available for any team of the bottom 8-15. That pick can only be #2 or #3OA. Only the bottom 7 teams are eligible for the 1st, 2nd and 3rd OA in any given draft. I like bringing the 3 year idea into this system; it could be cumulative points over a 3 year span to determine draft odds and placing. This way Van, Buf, Ari, Detroit have the best odds at a lottery slot and teams like NYR and Chi aren't eligible to win the Dahlin sweepstakes but could still win 2nd or 3rd pick. An additional clause preventing multiple 1st OAs can also be implemented... the Oiler rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 5 hours ago, goalie13 said: Here's my solution: leave it the way it is. Fun fact: i think i heard somewhere some hockey analyst was saying how every team should get equal odds. fking delusional lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 6 hours ago, goalie13 said: Here's my solution: leave it the way it is. I was going to say - I didn't realize there was a problem to fix in the first place - so no need for a "solution". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Loser bracket playoffs for the non-playoff teams. Give them something to do in April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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