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Canucks are now the worst team in the league in the last 3 seasons, while spending to the cap

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The issue isn't that we're spending to the cap, it's that when our blue chip prospects finally start cracking the roster and need to be paid we will be saddled with bloated contracts for placeholders. Unless you're named Horvat or Boeser contracts over three years are not necessary.

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convenient that the explanation didn't mention that we've also been in the top 3 most injured teams in the last 3 years too. I wonder how they missed that in the analysis?

 

this guy has put together some interesting charts on injuries: http://nhlinjuryviz.blogspot.ca/2016/09/chip-history-chart.html

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Mathew Barzal said:

The issue isn't that we're spending to the cap, it's that when our blue chip prospects finally start cracking the roster and need to be paid we will be saddled with bloated contracts for placeholders. Unless you're named Horvat or Boeser contracts over three years are not necessary.

we're actually in a very good position re: future cap space, there will be lots of room for these guys 

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Hmm, interesting stat, and hardly surprised.  Now if only certain hockey gods would cooperate... #fallin'fordahlin2018

4 hours ago, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said:

I still blame Gillis!

Someway, somehow...

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1 hour ago, rekker said:

I'm ok with the bump down if it happens because of another crap team. I just don't see a reason to give teams who just missed the playoffs a need to bump teams badly in need of help. 

And in there lies the wrench that likely will destroy the current lottery system.  All it will take is a few more PHI, NJ like years (CHI this year?) for GMs to line up and call foul, ones from both the bad teams and the competitive ones.  Drafting is more important than ever under the cap, and the league just crippled the system.   Not at all what it was originally intended to do.

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Is anyone really surprized with these finding,hell no.

 

This is what happens when a struggling team doesn't get the help from the league to get decent draft picks and get better,falling 3 points in concecutive drafts will give you these results.

 

A 1st OA PICK,

The CANUCKS FIRST IN FIFTY YEARS WOULD BE A GOOD START.  I'M CALLIN' FOR DAHLIN.

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5 hours ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

Does anybody really give a $&!# that we're spending close to the cap?

Of course they do!  Are you joking???

 

Teams like Arizona have no chance of ever being good, because they can't spend anywhere even remotely close to the cap.  Yet, they still have to compete against teams that can.  If they ever draft anyone world-class, they can't afford to keep them once they command a higher salary.  So they are perennially screwed.  And, even still, they've done better than us (over the last few years).  Vegas took on a bunch of cap-dumps - and they're so much better than us it isn't even funny.  Ottawa is about to give up one of the best players on Earth, because they can't afford to spend the money to keep him.  Etc...  Spending to the cap means we have no excuses.

 

Spending to the cap and still being god-awful means that your players are almost all vastly over-paid (in addition to under-performing).  Which means your management is rather incompetent.  These are things that the fans give a $&!# about.

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25 minutes ago, IBatch said:

And in there lies the wrench that likely will destroy the current lottery system.  All it will take is a few more PHI, NJ like years (CHI this year?) for GMs to line up and call foul, ones from both the bad teams and the competitive ones.  Drafting is more important than ever under the cap, and the league just crippled the system.   Not at all what it was originally intended to do.

Good point. We are a bad team at a bad time. Meh. They will change the draft lottery once we are a bottom 10 to 15 team. Canuck luck.

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So we spent to the cap, encouraging fans to renew tickets and thus still maintained 95% attendance, but didn’t suffer at all in our long term rebuild plans. Sounds like a feature, not a bug. 

 

Not saying Benning designed it to fail intentionally, but that he went with high risk reclamation projects that would either be awesome or crash and burn. 

 

Some were awesome, some crashed and burned. 

 

What does everyone want Benning to say? “ok folks we just spent to the cap to convince you to come out for games even though we knew it was very possible we were terrible.” 

 

People keep saying Benning didn’t have a plan. I don’t believe that is true. Much ado about nothing. 

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48 minutes ago, bloodycanuckleheads said:

Of course they do!  Are you joking???

 

Teams like Arizona have no chance of ever being good, because they can't spend anywhere even remotely close to the cap.  Yet, they still have to compete against teams that can.  If they ever draft anyone world-class, they can't afford to keep them once they command a higher salary.  So they are perennially screwed.  And, even still, they've done better than us (over the last few years).  Vegas took on a bunch of cap-dumps - and they're so much better than us it isn't even funny.  Ottawa is about to give up one of the best players on Earth, because they can't afford to spend the money to keep him.  Etc...  Spending to the cap means we have no excuses.

 

Spending to the cap and still being god-awful means that your players are almost all vastly over-paid (in addition to under-performing).  Which means your management is rather incompetent.  These are things that the fans give a $&!# about.

Except that we're not really spending to the cap considering Edler and the Sedins are still on the team or still playing out their contract.

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46 minutes ago, bloodycanuckleheads said:

Spending to the cap and still being god-awful means that your players are almost all vastly over-paid (in addition to under-performing).  Which means your management is rather incompetent.  These are things that the fans give a $&!# about.

OR it means that we've filled our lineup with low risk plugs like Vanek, Holm, Gagne, Del Zotto, etc etc etc...that can be moved at a later date for more assets, as we did this deadline with Vanek and Holm.

 

But apparently gaining free assets qualifies as "incompetence" xD

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53 minutes ago, bloodycanuckleheads said:

Of course they do!  Are you joking???

 

Teams like Arizona have no chance of ever being good, because they can't spend anywhere even remotely close to the cap.  Yet, they still have to compete against teams that can.  If they ever draft anyone world-class, they can't afford to keep them once they command a higher salary.  So they are perennially screwed.  And, even still, they've done better than us (over the last few years).  Vegas took on a bunch of cap-dumps - and they're so much better than us it isn't even funny.  Ottawa is about to give up one of the best players on Earth, because they can't afford to spend the money to keep him.  Etc...  Spending to the cap means we have no excuses.

 

Spending to the cap and still being god-awful means that your players are almost all vastly over-paid (in addition to under-performing).  Which means your management is rather incompetent.  These are things that the fans give a $&!# about.

Sure, maybe Bettman should allow ARI to relocate so it has real owners, not league run.  CAR and FLD .... Attendance matters to the bottom line.

 

But let's get real, the Sedins are almost done, one more year of Edler, who's actually a reasonable contract, and a pile of placeholders who's 2-3mill don't amount to much, after those we have exactly one bad contract.   We won't be a cap team next season, and likely not for several years following..this is a junk thread.  Anyone who follows the team knows we spent to the cap last season to add future prospects and depth which Vanek provided, and that the Sedins are up this summer.  Then Edler.  Two more years after that L.E.  Markstrom.  Tanev.  Gagne. Del Zotto. And on and on.   

 

The only guy we have signed long term at this moment is Horvat.  The rest of the team is coming off the books in a timely manner before anyone of substance will be ready for their next contract.  Boeser is next up, Horvats contract was fair and comes with no strings attached.  That's a good precedence to consider as the next core gets their turn.  Super over reaction.  We should thank our lucky stars we have ownership willing to pay to the cap.  And that we have nothing of consequence (now) hindering our ability to ice a quality team when the time comes.

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Guess the media needs to get their licks in when they can.  One more year tops of such rhetoric and they'll shut up for a while.

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2 minutes ago, kloubek said:

Guess the media needs to get their licks in when they can.  One more year tops of such rhetoric and they'll shut up for a while.

anything to distract from the fact that Edmonton has the so-called best player in the NHL and is nearly as bad as an injury-riddled Canucks team, at least we have a good reason 

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6 hours ago, rekker said:

Ouch. Yet can't land a top three pick. What a joke this lottery system has become. 

Brock Boeser and Pettersson.   Its not where you land buddy its what you do with it - see recent Bruins and how well they have drafted.

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So Benning signs a UFA that just finished a good season with Boston wants to play with the Sedin's and signs what appears to be a good deal, if he continues his present pace, but the Sedin's regress, as the club continues to struggle as it ages, which is kind of a obvious and more unfortunate then anything.....

 

Fast forward, and although the Sedin's are not first line players anymore, a productive first line winger, would have added to their effectiveness.......I am sure Benning did not see Eriksson declining............(the other teams bidding for his services didn't) So I don't think Benning is at fault for signing what appeared to be an effective 1st line player.....it just didn't work out

 

As for spending to the Cap............when the Sedin's 14 million comes off the book......we won't be.........it is what you pay for star players, even at the end of their careers.......no one seemed to want to pay them their actual value on the contract before this, and were quite happy when they took their team discounts......again $&!# happens! But again, it might not next year, if they retire, or sign for less

 

as for the draft........we have had our chances and hit some and missed some....that is how that works! But it takes time.............people are impatient around here

 

In short...........we are rebuilding......it sucks...........we are lucky to have an owner that spends to the cap..........media is paid to create controversy and sell papers/listeners

people listen/read whether they object or not.......or at least according to everyone who quotes the sports people on CDC

 

And the NHL head office will do what they do............and everyone hates Bettman, except the owners..........who like the money he makes them.............

 

 

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26 minutes ago, samurai said:

Brock Boeser and Pettersson.   Its not where you land buddy its what you do with it - see recent Bruins and how well they have drafted.

Ya. We have done well. But Mcdavid, Mathews or Dahlin would be even better. 

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3 hours ago, Mathew Barzal said:

The issue isn't that we're spending to the cap, it's that when our blue chip prospects finally start cracking the roster and need to be paid we will be saddled with bloated contracts for placeholders. Unless you're named Horvat or Boeser contracts over three years are not necessary.

Do you really envision a situation in which we lose a Pettersson, Lind, Demko or Juolevi because of a placeholder?

 

Like, really?

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1 hour ago, Monteeun said:

Except that we're not really spending to the cap considering Edler and the Sedins are still on the team or still playing out their contract.

So, we aren't spending to the cap, we are just spending the most we possibly can?

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Historically bad results on the ice.

No draft picks added.

The only thing that's been a saving grace is just how awful this group is at putting together competitive teams, we're still getting the top picks that they've tried to avoid.  

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