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Humboldt Broncos Involved in Bus Crash

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5 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I wonder how many previous stop signs this truck driver went through all the gears to a complete stop, and then went through all the gears to get up to speed again?  Aren't the stop signs really HUGE there, and have the flashing red lights, so the big rig drivers can have ample time and space to actually get to a complete stop?  

?  5pm on a Friday aft   maybe adhering to his 13 hr max per day , but maybe not , maybe in a hurry to get home? ,reading up on the investigation they are questioning which vehical hit? its pretty clear looking at the bus's first 20 feet of the passenger side, the truck hit the bus! ,almost tearing the bus in 2 piece's        possibly waiting for all the hurt to subside until lowering the boom on this guy?

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This whole thing breaks down to 3 options at this point.

 

1 The driver saw the stop sign but decided not to stop

2 The driver didn't see the stop sign and didn't stop

3 The driver saw the sign and tried to stop but for whatever reason the rig did not stop.

 

But I can wait for the police and transport Canada to figure it out, after all it is what they do for a living.

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18 hours ago, chon derry said:

there is a forgiving element to this ,but there's an equal amount of anger ,my wifes mother born in Italy but raised in  eston sask, ,been there twice and did notice how polite people were almost to a fault , in 1988 when bc deregulated motor carrier licence's in bc it was good for the economy, what it meant was if you owned a truck with trailer you didn't need to purchase an over the road licence ,or be a sub hauler of a company that did hold one, you could haul anywhere ,this effected (undermined) hourly ,mileage, or set distance rates , rates that were stable and fought hard for to establish , it also meant the quality of drivers going anywhere dropped significantly. rules , drivers, hauling inter provincially should be more stringent not less    personally I have NO FORGIVENESS AT ALL FOR THIS GUY.

I have to admit: that was a name that I hadn't heard before. (Spent several years touring the prairies in my youth) Had to Google Map it.

 

Turns out I just missed it, as I once passed through Rosetown and Kindersley (coming from Stoon) on my way to Alberta.

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Well this is disturbing:

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Reg Lewis says it's time to expose the "dirty secret" of the trucking industry.

Lewis says he and other driving instructors are knowingly sending hundreds of ill-prepared semi-trailer drivers onto Canada's highways, grid roads and city streets every year.

Lewis says they have no choice — instructors aren't allowed to fail a student who can pass the most basic written and road exams, which many of them describe as a "joke."

The rules are similar in nearly every province, according to the to Canadian Trucking Alliance, including Saskatchewan, site of the recent collision between a semi and the Humboldt Broncos bus that left 16 dead.

"I'm hog-tied by what I can do. It's not safe," the Swift Current, Sask., man said.

Lewis is not alone. Kinley, Sask., instructor Mel Meikle said he quit several years ago, overwhelmed by frustration and guilt.

"If you go out there and kill someone, that's on my shoulders," Meikle said.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/anyone-with-a-pulse-can-pass-semi-trailer-driving-tests-in-canada-too-easy-instructors-agree/ar-AAwjfzA?li=AAggv0m

 

I've long suspected something like this, (after seeing some of the driving habits of truckers over the years) but this paints a rather bleak picture...

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1 hour ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Well this is disturbing:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/anyone-with-a-pulse-can-pass-semi-trailer-driving-tests-in-canada-too-easy-instructors-agree/ar-AAwjfzA?li=AAggv0m

 

I've long suspected something like this, (after seeing some of the driving habits of truckers over the years) but this paints a rather bleak picture...

This news is totally disgusting.  I don’t see why it’s taking so long to put together what happened in this terrible tragedy?  The truck driver was not injured.  He’s telling a story of what happened, right?  Either the police believe him, in which case they would make that public.  Or the police don’t believe him, in which case they suspect the driver purposely went through the stop sign.  Can you think of another reason why the report is taking so long, considering the truck driver should be able to say what happened?

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1 hour ago, Alflives said:

This news is totally disgusting.  I don’t see why it’s taking so long to put together what happened in this terrible tragedy?  The truck driver was not injured.  He’s telling a story of what happened, right?  Either the police believe him, in which case they would make that public.  Or the police don’t believe him, in which case they suspect the driver purposely went through the stop sign.  Can you think of another reason why the report is taking so long, considering the truck driver should be able to say what happened?

I think RCMP investigations are very thorough and take a long time.

 

When all is said and done, I believe that the driver (and the company he works for) will be found liable. Whether that results in criminal charges remains to be seen, although, unless they find it was somehow accidental, (mechanical failure, or road conditions) I don't see how it can't.

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On ‎2018‎-‎04‎-‎19 at 7:28 AM, RUPERTKBD said:

I have to admit: that was a name that I hadn't heard before. (Spent several years touring the prairies in my youth) Had to Google Map it.

 

Turns out I just missed it, as I once passed through Rosetown and Kindersley (coming from Stoon) on my way to Alberta.

how could you miss it? its there in all its flatness ,actually if you didn't see the sign it looks like any other town out there .:P

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1 minute ago, chon derry said:

how could you miss it? its there in all its flatness ,actually if you didn't see the sign it looks like any other town out there .:P

Didn't go through it, but you're correct. I do recall seeing something off on the horizon that I thought was a pile of cow dung....that must have been it...B)

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1 minute ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Didn't go through it, but you're correct. I do recall seeing something off on the horizon that I thought was a pile of cow dung....that must have been it...B)

 didn't any cows ,did see some sidewalk buffalo tho.  k  I'm outta here....

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4 minutes ago, chon derry said:

 didn't any cows ,did see some sidewalk buffalo tho.  k  I'm outta here....

Funny story about that particular trip:

 

We only stopped in Rosetown because our vehicle's crank shaft broke. We were stuck there for a couple days in a (very) cheap motel, waiting to see if our truck could be fixed, and if so, how much it was going to cost us. Finally, the company that owned the vehicle decided not to spend the money to repair it. (This meant that we would have to go back to 'Stoon and rent another truck to get us to the next gig, which we were already a couple of days late for)

 

All we wanted to do was go somewhere and drown our sorrows, but as it happened, it was election night and the bars were closed until the polls closed. :picard:

 

That was the night Brian Mulroney was elected to his first term, so for us, it was a double whammy....

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14 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Funny story about that particular trip:

 

We only stopped in Rosetown because our vehicle's crank shaft broke. We were stuck there for a couple days in a (very) cheap motel, waiting to see if our truck could be fixed, and if so, how much it was going to cost us. Finally, the company that owned the vehicle decided not to spend the money to repair it. (This meant that we would have to go back to 'Stoon and rent another truck to get us to the next gig, which we were already a couple of days late for)

 

All we wanted to do was go somewhere and drown our sorrows, but as it happened, it was election night and the bars were closed until the polls closed. :picard:

 

That was the night Brian Mulroney was elected to his first term, so for us, it was a double whammy....

sounds like you were touring with a band ? we have a few mutual friends I'm sure  carl his bro grant , joda b. many others I'm sure.

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4 hours ago, chon derry said:

sounds like you were touring with a band ? we have a few mutual friends I'm sure  carl his bro grant , joda b. many others I'm sure.

Jammed with Karl occasionally. Joda and I were actually in a band together for several years. The other guys were Kevin S. and Chuck B.

 

But yeah, spent most of the 80's touring Western Canada. As far East as Brandon, (and Flin Flon) as far North as Yellowknife and the entire length of Vancouver Island. The first band I toured with was from 'Stoon, so I spent a lot of time traveling around Saskatchewan.

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9 hours ago, otherwise said:

Logan Humboldt...  :(

 

So sad, but such a beautiful tribute she is considering. Haunted, looking for something good from what she experienced. I hope she does well! 

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On 4/18/2018 at 3:37 PM, gurn said:

 

This whole thing breaks down to 3 options at this point.

 

1 The driver saw the stop sign but decided not to stop

2 The driver didn't see the stop sign and didn't stop

3 The driver saw the sign and tried to stop but for whatever reason the rig did not stop.

 

But I can wait for the police and transport Canada to figure it out, after all it is what they do for a living.

It's gotta be 1 or 2. Especially since it was on the news the other day a biker almost got killed because a semi ran a similar type intersection. Either way somebody had to have ran a stop sign there

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On 4/28/2018 at 10:51 AM, Alflives said:

This news is totally disgusting.  I don’t see why it’s taking so long to put together what happened in this terrible tragedy?  The truck driver was not injured.  He’s telling a story of what happened, right?  Either the police believe him, in which case they would make that public.  Or the police don’t believe him, in which case they suspect the driver purposely went through the stop sign.  Can you think of another reason why the report is taking so long, considering the truck driver should be able to say what happened?

The truck driver said the sun was in his eyes and I know right after the accident the witnesses said that was bull$&!# and several other drivers who went through the intersection said it was bull$&!#. My guess is the RCMP is making sure they have all their I's dotted and T's crossed because this guy will be in prison the rest of his life, if convicted, and a jury will not convict him if there is any doubt of the sun being in his eyes or not.

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