[Proposal] I have a simple solution to tanking and the weighted draft lotto nonsense.

[xereau]

Whoever has the best record in the last 20 games, and did not make the playoffs, gets 1st pick.  Scale down from there.

 

This will eliminate tanking all together.

 

This will make all games coming down the stretch meaningful.

It will be like a mini-playoff for fans.

Actually reward performance, instead of sucking.

Do away with the weighted lotto nonsense all together.

[Drive-By Body Pierce]

Interesting approach, maybe with a little tweaking, you could be onto something.

[lmm]

I like the idea but I think you'd end out with the 16-17-18 teams getting better not the truely bad teams.

How about "winning % after elimination"?

wait that won't work because again you might only win 1 game after you miss on game 81.

winning % after trade deadline

[PhillipBlunt]

15 minutes ago, xereau said:

Whoever has the best record in the last 20 games, and did not make the playoffs, gets 1st pick.  Scale down from there.

 

This will eliminate tanking all together.

 

This will make all games coming down the stretch meaningful.

It will be like a mini-playoff for fans.

Actually reward performance, instead of sucking.

Do away with the weighted lotto nonsense all together.

[Blue Jay 22]

The league already rewards performance. It's called the Stanley Cup Playoffs.

 

The idea that we should determine the draft order based off a selective 20 games at the end of the season seems comical. The point of the worst teams being in the lottery is so that they can land quality talent on their team and become good again one day. There's absolutely no logical reason why a team that finishes 18th or 19th should have higher odds or better rewards than a 28th or 29th place team. 

[mll]

The young guys wouldn't get the opportunity to play.  Teams might also not be willing to trade their UFAs at the TDL.

For the lottery - a solution would be to simply use the standings at the TDL (and then ignore the teams who end up making the playoffs).  Up until that date every team has normally been competing to make the playoffs.  

 

After that date a lot of teams have different objectives.  Some teams have moved upcoming UFAs and are shutting down injured players and giving the opportunity to their younger players.  Those heading to the playoffs want to rest and don't want to risk injury before the post-season.  Quite a few GMs including Benning have called the games post-TDL meaningless - it's just not the same level of competition.  Quite a few players produce in garbage time but can't replicate it in the core of the regular season.  For example Etem started scoring post-TDL and the following season never made it out of training camp.  

 

[xereau]

9 minutes ago, Blue Jay 22 said:

The league already rewards performance. It's called the Stanley Cup Playoffs.

 

The idea that we should determine the draft order based off a selective 20 games at the end of the season seems comical. The point of the worst teams being in the lottery is so that they can land quality talent on their team and become good again one day. There's absolutely no logical reason why a team that finishes 18th or 19th should have higher odds or better rewards than a 28th or 29th place team. 

Having the draft position in the hands of the players, rather than Gary Bettman's tiny hands on the button of a random number generator makes far more sense to me as a fan of the game.  Rewarding performance instead of sucking makes all the sense in the world.

[lmm]

how about this,

pick a number, say 75 or 80 points

(75 gets 6 teams in) (80 would make it 10)

allot draft order using only the points between those teams, winning %.

 

if you chose 75, the teams would be Van, Montreal, Detroit, Arizona, Buffalo and Ottawa

use only the winning % from games between those teams

 

if yo chose 80 points, add NYR, NYI, Edmonton ( everyones favorite) and Chicago

 

this way losing to bad teams costs you, even early season loss' (tanks)

[xereau]

6 minutes ago, mll said:

The young guys wouldn't get the opportunity to play.  Teams might also not be willing to trade their UFAs at the TDL.

For the lottery - a solution would be to simply use the standings at the TDL (and then ignore the teams who end up making the playoffs).  Up until that date every team has normally been competing to make the playoffs.  

 

After that date a lot of teams have different objectives.  Some teams have moved upcoming UFAs and are shutting down injured players and giving the opportunity to their younger players.  Those heading to the playoffs want to rest and don't want to risk injury before the post-season.  Quite a few GMs including Benning have called the games post-TDL meaningless - it's just not the same level of competition.  Quite a few players produce in garbage time but can't replicate it in the core of the regular season.  For example Etem started scoring post-TDL and the following season never made it out of training camp.  

 

Trades would change, maybe a little.  You would probably actually see more NHL ready players jockeyed around as GM's try to perform.

The whole reason I am fed up with the status quo, is that this system rewards mediocrity and outright sucking (still).  Putting in a positively competitive component into the end of the season for ALL teams in the league makes sense. No more meaningless games.  No more playing entire rosters of AHLers pretending you are "giving the youth a chance".  Something has to give.  This set up, as is, stinks.

[Where's Wellwood]

13 minutes ago, mll said:

The young guys wouldn't get the opportunity to play.  Teams might also not be willing to trade their UFAs at the TDL.

For the lottery - a solution would be to simply use the standings at the TDL (and then ignore the teams who end up making the playoffs).  Up until that date every team has normally been competing to make the playoffs.  

 

After that date a lot of teams have different objectives.  Some teams have moved upcoming UFAs and are shutting down injured players and giving the opportunity to their younger players.  Those heading to the playoffs want to rest and don't want to risk injury before the post-season.  Quite a few GMs including Benning have called the games post-TDL meaningless - it's just not the same level of competition.  Quite a few players produce in garbage time but can't replicate it in the core of the regular season.  For example Etem started scoring post-TDL and the following season never made it out of training camp.  

 

But then you'd have teams who see the writing on the wall tanking even earlier. 

 

2 minutes ago, xereau said:

Trades would change, maybe a little.  You would probably actually see more NHL ready players jockeyed around as GM's try to perform.

The whole reason I am fed up with the status quo, is that this system rewards mediocrity and outright sucking (still).  Putting in a positively competitive component into the end of the season for ALL teams in the league makes sense. No more meaningless games.  No more playing entire rosters of AHLers pretending you are "giving the youth a chance".  Something has to give.  This set up, as is, stinks.

It really doesn't though. The odds that the actually terrible (not even tanking) teams will get the help they need is lower with the lottery system than ever before. 

 

I don't want to see teams like Dallas, Philly, NJ, or Winnipeg swoop in and take 1st, 2nd, and 3rd overall picks as the 8th-15th worst teams because they got lucky. If you reward 'being competitive' (ie. not a bad team) it'll happen even more commonly while the bottom 3-5 teams stay at the bottom of the league and only get 5th-6th overall picks. 

 

If such a system is put in place it needs to be restricted to maybe the bottom 5 or 8 teams but even then it will discourage playing the youth, or gutting the roster for picks (which outside of Burr, and Hansen, Benning doesn't do anyway.)

[goalie13]

I don't have a problem with the current system.  The 3 spot lottery is already designed to discourage tanking.  I think it's far better than when there was no lottery or when it was a 1 spot lottery. 

 

As for the proposal, the flaw is that it would reward mediocre teams while punishing the legitimately bad teams.  The really bad teams would still lose in those last 20 games, never have a shot at the top picks and this would have the effect of keeping them bad and staying the basement longer.  Or what about the teams that are decent, but miss the playoffs by a single point?  There's a good chance they might have the best record over the last 20 as they pushed for a playoff spot and then would automatically get the 1st overall pick?  That just doesn't sound like a good system to me.

[Toni Zamboni]

not sure what the answer is but it needs fixing, the current system is bad.

 

[luckylager]

So the moral of the story is to suck hard until the TDL then load up for the draft push...

 

Not sure I'm on board

[Shift-4]

Just give us one first overall pick and we will stop whining  lol

[Kragar]

If that was used this year, then I think the Panthers, who were in the hunt until Saturday, would be getting first pick.  No thanks.

[coolboarder]

I prefer 4-year draft rules.  No lotto but finishing according to the standing.  If you had 1st overall pick, then your team will be ineligible for first overall pick next season.  If you finished last next season, you would be bumped to 2nd overall pick.  If you finished 1st and 2nd in consecutive years but you finish last, you'd be bumped to 4th.  Once 4-year rules is up, you are eligible for first overall pick again but ineligible for 2nd overall pick if you finished 2nd last but bumped to 3rd pick.   This will discourage tanking  and you would be able to tank once every 4 years.  

 

there will be situation where 3 teams already had first overall pick and 2nd overall pick in last 3 years, the team who finished 4th, 5th, and 6th would be leapfrogged to 1st, 2nd, 3rd and teams that leapfrogged would be ineligible for first overall in next 4 years 

 

It is just a solution and tanking is not guaranteed to climb yourself out of basement in next 4 years.   You also do not want to tank on any year, ever because you do not know if next McDavid coming in 4 years so let them be naturally bad team to be rewarded 1st.    If next McDavid is known 3 years when he is 15, teams will do everything in their power not to tank in next 3 seasons for a chance to pick McDavid so win-win situation on tanking issues.  

[zombieksa]

The issue with any point percentage after elimination or points in last 20 games determining draft position is lack of parity in schedule. We may feel this is great now but what happens when we see that with out last 20 games we have already played all games against east coast (including bad teams) and still have 8-12 games in California? Or what if Vancouver has more back to backs in that period of time compared to rest of season? Or less home games than other teams? 

 

I dont like the current system really and would rather just see picks 1-15 all weighted evenly. If that happens then last games can all be played for pride and development. No weight in wondering what a win will do to affect your team.

[Ojibwa72]

The Lotto is here to stay but it could be tweaked a little. What I would propose is for 1st to 5th they hold a lottery with the bottom 5 teams, 6th to 10th hold another for the teams 6-10. would eliminate too much movement as we have seen in the past.

[Russ]

Or to combat tanking make it not worthwhile.  Have a ball of every team put in a bingo machine thing and have them each come down a ramp 1 at a time.  First one is 15th pick, last ball left is first overall pick.  Gives everyone a 6.6% chance off the bat to have the 15th pick and odds go up with each ball.  

[shazzam]

On 2018-04-12 at 9:54 AM, xereau said:

Having the draft position in the hands of the players, rather than Gary Bettman's tiny hands on the button of a random number generator makes far more sense to me as a fan of the game.  Rewarding performance instead of sucking makes all the sense in the world.

Might as well give the 1st overall to the cup winner