kenhodgejr Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 To Vancouver - Jason Spezza ( approx. 7million) + decent pick or prospect To Dallas - Cap space Baertchi Hutton Goldobin Horvat Boeser Dahlen Spezza Pettersson Leipsic Gaudette Virtanen Sutter Gaunce, Motte, Archibald, Granlund, Edler Gudbranson Del Zotto Tanev Juolevi Stetcher Biega Markstrom Demko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Awful trade. 7.5m, 25pt Spezza and a pick or prospect for Hutton and Baer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 just to get rid of Spezza would cost a decent pick/prospect. More likely would be Hutton+Baer for Spezza+1st+Honka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenhodgejr Posted April 17, 2018 Author Share Posted April 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, RetroCanuck said: just to get rid of Spezza would cost a decent pick/prospect. More likely would be Hutton+Baer for Spezza+1st+Honka or Hutton+Baer for Spezza + Heiskanen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 they would have to give up a lot for that trade like a 1st plus for us to take spezza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 This proposal assumes Spezza has value. He does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 8 hours ago, kenhodgejr said: To Vancouver - Jason Spezza ( approx. 7million) + decent pick or prospect To Dallas - Cap space Baertchi Hutton Goldobin Horvat Boeser Dahlen Spezza Pettersson Leipsic Gaudette Virtanen Sutter Gaunce, Motte, Archibald, Granlund, Edler Gudbranson Del Zotto Tanev Juolevi Stetcher Biega Markstrom Demko Confused, If we take Spezza 34, 6'2, C ( 7.5 million - 1 yr left ) That would be okay for 1 yr... We have cap space so we have control of teams wanting to unload big contracts.. We would need a very good prospect or there 2nd rd pick 2018 and 4th rounder 2019 No Hutton and Beartchi in this deal??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 As bad as Spezza's contract is, we likely wouldn't get much back since it only has one year left. The Red Wings essentially made a regular move to trade down from 16th to 20th to get rid of one year of Datsyuk at 7.5 million. I think fair value would be 2 2nds and a prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 I think Dallas would rather hold on to Spezza for the last year of his contract than give up a valuable pick and/or prospect to get rid of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Not sure why we'd give away decent players just to help out Dallas with their problems. Is that you, Tom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Everyone getting excited (upset) about Spezza's salary for 2018/19. It's just one year. to VAN: Spezza, Honka, 4th (2018) - to recoup the 4th we traded to DAL: Baertschi, Hutton If Spezza has a bounce back year in VAN, maybe they re-sign him (cheap) for another year or two, until Pettersson is ready to centre the 2nd line. I also think Honka would be a better D than Hutton, and he's a right shot, still only 22 Juolevi - Honka (the Fins) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Pears said: I think Dallas would rather hold on to Spezza for the last year of his contract than give up a valuable pick and/or prospect to get rid of him. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundstrom17 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 14 hours ago, kenhodgejr said: To Vancouver - Jason Spezza ( approx. 7million) + decent pick or prospect To Dallas - Cap space Baertchi Hutton Ben Kuzma also thinks picking up Spezza would be good for Pettersson’s development. Dallas has enough centers so Spezza is expendable. We could probably flip him at the trade deadline for picks which would be a bonus too. I don’t think we would need to give up Baer and I don’t think they’d want Hutt. We will still need Baer for pts. So I propose Dallas: Granlund and 2018 5th round pick Van: Spezza and 2018 1st round pick ((top 3 protected) & additional 2018 4th round pick if 1st is in 2019) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Sundstrom17 said: Ben Kuzma also thinks picking up Spezza would be good for Pettersson’s development. Dallas has enough centers so Spezza is expendable. We could probably flip him at the trade deadline for picks which would be a bonus too. I don’t think we would need to give up Baer and I don’t think they’d want Hutt. We will still need Baer for pts. So I propose Dallas: Granlund and 2018 5th round pick Van: Spezza and 2018 1st round pick ((top 3 protected) & additional 2018 4th round pick if 1st is in 2019) Can't see them trading this year's 1st round pick. The draft is in Dallas. I would target next year's 1st as it will be in Vancouver and would be excellent for us to get 2 1sts. With that said they won't trade one year of Spezza for a 1st rounder. They will have Lehtonen's 5.9 million off the books next year, so they will have plenty of cap space unless they want to make a big splash during free agency. They could use a backup, so perhaps Nilsson would have some value to them if we would like to bring up Demko this year. I would be fine trading for Spezza and only gaining their 2nd rounder this year, and then if Spezza has a decent year, flip him for more assets. Having an extra 2nd could help us facilitate moving up from our early 2nd to a late 1st if there is a target player there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underrated Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Spezza has a NTC and won't waive it to come here. I also think Dallas wouldn't part with any real good asset just to save one year of his contract. If he had 3-4 years, then definitely, but why trade a good asset just to save cap space for one year, especially when Lehtonens salary is already opening up? I could see them giving up a second rounder at most, if Spezza is willing to waive his NTC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundstrom17 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, underrated said: Spezza has a NTC and won't waive it to come here. I also think Dallas wouldn't part with any real good asset just to save one year of his contract. If he had 3-4 years, then definitely, but why trade a good asset just to save cap space for one year, especially when Lehtonens salary is already opening up? I could see them giving up a second rounder at most, if Spezza is willing to waive his NTC I think he would wave playing minimal 3rd line minutes to play 2nd line minutes with Pettersson on his line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 45 minutes ago, underrated said: Spezza has a NTC and won't waive it to come here. I also think Dallas wouldn't part with any real good asset just to save one year of his contract. If he had 3-4 years, then definitely, but why trade a good asset just to save cap space for one year, especially when Lehtonens salary is already opening up? I could see them giving up a second rounder at most, if Spezza is willing to waive his NTC It's a modified NTC, we could be one of his 10 teams on his no trade list, but if he were smart, he would see how we handled Vanek and even Jokinen and how decent they have looked on our team. With that in mind, Spezza should see this as an opportunity with the Sedins retiring which opens up a scoring center role and possibly top PP unit. The Canucks have the cap to retain in any deal to a real contender. So if his goal is to win a Cup, this may be the best way to do so especially if Dallas no longer wants him. A 50-60 point Spezza (center) at 50% retained would be quite valuable come deadline time, so this is beneficial for us as much as it is for Spezza. For me personally, I'll be glad to take the 2nd for Spezza because more could be potentially had for him later on and if not, then it's only a one year problem. Dallas could probably just do the same since they have the cap space, but if they are trading him, I imagine they want the space to make some big signings (Tavares? Carlson?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasDrake Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 It would make more sense for Dallas to buy Spezza out rather than pay someone to take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underrated Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 15 hours ago, theo5789 said: It's a modified NTC, we could be one of his 10 teams on his no trade list, but if he were smart, he would see how we handled Vanek and even Jokinen and how decent they have looked on our team. With that in mind, Spezza should see this as an opportunity with the Sedins retiring which opens up a scoring center role and possibly top PP unit. The Canucks have the cap to retain in any deal to a real contender. So if his goal is to win a Cup, this may be the best way to do so especially if Dallas no longer wants him. A 50-60 point Spezza (center) at 50% retained would be quite valuable come deadline time, so this is beneficial for us as much as it is for Spezza. For me personally, I'll be glad to take the 2nd for Spezza because more could be potentially had for him later on and if not, then it's only a one year problem. Dallas could probably just do the same since they have the cap space, but if they are trading him, I imagine they want the space to make some big signings (Tavares? Carlson?) I'd also take the second rounder for Spezza, but I really think we'd be one of those 10 teams. To accept a trade here, with a hope of being traded again mid season to a contender is a lot of movement and a lot of variables. I think he'd be better to try to get traded directly to a contender and have Dallas keep 50%. Or similar to the Brassard trade, include a third team for cap purposes. I'd be happy if the Canucks are that third team, I just don't see Spezza wanting to come here, nor do I see Dallas wanting to give up much to dump him. Maybe he's interested in being a mentor and getting more playing time, but I'm not sure. If Dallas offers us a second and Spezza (or ideally Honka and Spezza), I'd gladly take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 13 hours ago, DallasDrake said: It would make more sense for Dallas to buy Spezza out rather than pay someone to take him. And don't the two teams' owners kind of hate each other? No way they help each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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