Gator Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 TO OTT Hutton TO VAN Ryan 2018 1st We win Dahlin and Svechnikov. Svechnikov convinces Tryamkin to come back, and boo., rebuild complete. Ryan plays very well for us and we trade him + Gudbranson for mid picks in 2-3 years, and we also find a way to dump Eriksson. In 3-5 years... Svechnikov Pettersson Boeser Virtanen Horvat Dahlen Goldobin Gaudette Lind McEwen Gaunce Leipsic Dahlin Tryamkin Juolevi Stecher Brisebois Tanev Demko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 No way Ottawa coughs up a lottery pick just for someone to eat Ryan's contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted April 18, 2018 Author Share Posted April 18, 2018 13 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: No way Ottawa coughs up a lottery pick just for someone to eat Ryan's contract. We could offer more, but from what I hear they really want that contract gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 I like the dream, but no way Ottawa does that........... My dream is............... Bobby Ryan Thomas Chabot for Ben Hutton Sven Baertschi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RetroCanuck Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 44 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: No way Ottawa coughs up a lottery pick just for someone to eat Ryan's contract. Agreed especially since they have to give p their first this year or next. Basically trading another would mean they don't have their 2 firsts the next 2 years. 9 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: I like the dream, but no way Ottawa does that........... My dream is............... Bobby Ryan Thomas Chabot for Ben Hutton Sven Baertschi haha to me that seems even more unrealistic considering how they value Chabot.Dont get me wrong if we could make that trade we should lol Ottawa does have Pittsburghs first though and they really want to get rid of Ryans contract. For another 4 years at 7.25Mil they will have to buck up to get rid of him. Perhaps Formenton+1st+Ryan for Hutton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 if ottawa wants to dump that contract they'll likely end up dealing with a team that is trying to reach the salary floor or a team prepared to accept less for rebuilding purposes he is still an active player with some value as a player i can see the canucks looking to dump a contract (not loui's) and taking ryan and a 2nd maybe move gagner for ryan and the 2nd we still take on a lot of contract but given our youth (many players will not need to be protected) either he or erickssson could be exposed in the seattle expansion and just like the vegas draft they might be forced to take the player we most want to unload Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Just looking up Bobby Ryans stats...............mannnnnnn! He has fallen!..........Not sure I could stomach that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, coastal.view said: if ottawa wants to dump that contract they'll likely end up dealing with a team that is trying to reach the salary floor or a team prepared to accept less for rebuilding purposes he is still an active player with some value as a player i can see the canucks looking to dump a contract (not loui's) and taking ryan and a 2nd maybe move gagner for ryan and the 2nd we still take on a lot of contract but given our youth (many players will not need to be protected) either he or erickssson could be exposed in the seattle expansion and just like the vegas draft they might be forced to take the player we most want to unload With all due respect Coastal...........he doesn't have any value........take a look at the last 2 years.......he is strictly a offensive player.....with nota hell of a lot of offense.........not worth the risk unless you are going to bury $7 + million a year for 4..........sad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 It doesnt make sense for either team. We are not going to want to have that kind of cap hit in 4 years. Its too lojg when we have Boeser, Pettersson and every other contract re-signed. For Ottawa, it gives them cap space, sure, but with Karlsson probably gone they are headed for a rebuild. They just havent accepted that yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: With all due respect Coastal...........he doesn't have any value........take a look at the last 2 years.......he is strictly a offensive player.....with nota hell of a lot of offense.........not worth the risk unless you are going to bury $7 + million a year for 4..........sad! he was scoring at a 0.5 rate this past season the guy has been dealing with issues that have distracted him from hockey i think the risk is reasonable if an existing contract is off loaded and a reasonable draft pick is obtained remember ottawa's 2nd is just outside the 1st round and the seattle expansion is slated for 2 years from now i think he can be exposed .. or loui can be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, coastal.view said: he was scoring at a 0.5 rate this past season the guy has been dealing with issues that have distracted him from hockey i think the risk is reasonable if an existing contract is off loaded and a reasonable draft pick is obtained remember ottawa's 2nd is just outside the 1st round and the seattle expansion is slated for 2 years from now i think he can be exposed .. or loui can be I don't know Coastal.......It has to be a pretty good return for 28+ million I get what you are saying.........and Chabot is just a dream But it's got to be ........ Pitts 2018 1st + Formenton..............at least Ottawa gets a lot of cap space to play with or in Melnyk's case......save if Ryan turns around,,,,great, if he doesn't......we eat it! You have to get something for 28+ million have to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: I don't know Coastal.......It has to be a pretty good return for 28+ million I get what you are saying.........and Chabot is just a dream But it's got to be ........ Pitts 2018 1st + Formenton..............at least Ottawa gets a lot of cap space to play with or in Melnyk's case......save if Ryan turns around,,,,great, if he doesn't......we eat it! You have to get something for 28+ million have to! it's not 28 million it is what is left after they take on a contract we want to dump as well if the nut is too big . some salary retention by ottawa can also be built in . but it would not be much . maybe 1 or 2 million a year i just think the general mechanics of such a deal (we get high 2nd round pick, lose a contract, get ryan) could work for the canucks edit: maybe try this janis figure out what ryan is worth on an annual basis figure out what you think their high 2nd round pick is worth if it was just sold for dollars ($5 million?) figure out what the offset salary is worth $28 - 5 - 7 = 16 .. gives you ryan for 4 years at 4 per year - he is still worth close to that i think if not, a minor adjustment in salary retention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, coastal.view said: it's not 28 million it is what is left after they take on a contract we want to dump as well if the nut is too big . some salary retention by ottawa can also be built in . but it would not be much . maybe 1 or 2 million a year i just think the general mechanics of such a deal (we get high 2nd round pick, lose a contract, get ryan) could work for the canucks I do see your game plan....... But lets say we send them Hutton and we take the 2nd they flip Hutton for a 3rd...maybe a 4th and their cost isn't so great I would not let them get off so easy.......just remember the payments Chicago has made to get rid of cap space I guess in the end......if it was so easy, it would have been done He does have a MNTC as well....I am sure our name is on it, anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: I do see your game plan....... But lets say we send them Hutton and we take the 2nd they flip Hutton for a 3rd...maybe a 4th and their cost isn't so great I would not let them get off so easy.......just remember the payments Chicago has made to get rid of cap space I guess in the end......if it was so easy, it would have been done He does have a MNTC as well....I am sure our name is on it, anyways read my post again . i edited it and don't worry about what ottawa might / could do we could flip ryan to some other team for some assets by taking some salary retention on him ourselves ottawa should not care what we do with ryan once we get him if the deal is fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted April 18, 2018 Author Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 hour ago, janisahockeynut said: I like the dream, but no way Ottawa does that........... My dream is............... Bobby Ryan Thomas Chabot for Ben Hutton Sven Baertschi I'd do that, I'd even add Baertschi to my deal, I just assumed us taking on Ryan's contract would be a huge piece to the deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, coastal.view said: read my post again . i edited it and don't worry about what ottawa might / could do we could flip ryan to some other team for some assets by taking some salary retention on him ourselves ottawa should not care what we do with ryan once we get him if the deal is fair No , I get it, and it is the flip side of the same coin..... But he has 13 and 11 goals the last 2 years.........I am just no sure he is worth the $4 Million Like I said though, he has a modified NTC in his contract, so I doubt he would be coming here I am not cold to your point......probably just me being greedy............ I think I would be going for shorter term contracts if that was the only pay off.............. PS.......Ottawa doesn't have a 2nd this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 6 hours ago, Brock Botanen said: TO OTT Hutton TO VAN Ryan 2018 1st We win Dahlin and Svechnikov. Svechnikov convinces Tryamkin to come back, and boo., rebuild complete. Ryan plays very well for us and we trade him + Gudbranson for mid picks in 2-3 years, and we also find a way to dump Eriksson. In 3-5 years... Svechnikov Pettersson Boeser Virtanen Horvat Dahlen Goldobin Gaudette Lind McEwen Gaunce Leipsic Dahlin Tryamkin Juolevi Stecher Brisebois Tanev Demko More EA sports trades... NEVER Ottawa trade there top 5 pick to take Ryan's salary.. EVERY TEAM WANTS TO KEEP THERE !ST ROUND PICKS AND OTTAWA SHOULD GET TOP 5 NEVER WILL HAPPEN..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Ottawa: Ryan + 2018 first round pick Vancouver: Hutton + Granlund + 2018 2nd round pick Get it dun Benning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 For us to take in Ryan (who did play somewhat like his former self in last year's playoffs, but otherwise less useful than L.E ) I don't think I could stomach it unless we knew we were going to get a player back. I'd do L.E. in return for their second this year, which won't be much different than PIT first if they make it back to the final, otherwise stay away. I wouldn't bank on Seattle taking either of these guys considering who else will be left unprotected either. Weaponizing our cap so to speak only works if we get somebody back that fits in our timeline (three years at most, two would be better) and if we get a good prospect or at least good odds of drafting someone who actually will play. I know I'm been greedy saying take L.E., but that's the only way I'd stomach that sort of deal. This guy isn't hated like Heatley was here and has had some life issues that may be affecting him, but he's not well liked either. Id prefer if we looked elsewhere for extra picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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