TheGuardian_ Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Teams that have a first round pick that might give one up. These teams are in the win now category, have a possible cap issue coming up or need to show improvement quickly. New York Islanders, they need to show Taveras that they are seriously trying to improve to help him decide to stay, they have 2 1rst round picks this year, their own and Calgary's, either of which is a good top ten pick regardless of the lottery. Edmonton, they are win now and may need cap space or certainty, a fast forward to play with McDavid that hits and a defensive defence man so Larsson can play more offensively. Colorado could use some depth, experience and are stepping up, they will have Ottawa's 1rst they might deal either this year or next year, they are a the end of the rebuilding cycle and in the building stage. Their own pick is not such a good idea. Ottawa, they need to build a team quickly to retain Karlsson, if enough pieces are offered they might give up their first round pick, say some players off the NHL roster and some later round picks over the next two years. Montreal, they will not want to rebuild, they are more in the re-tool as Price is entering his prime and 10 mil a year contract, they will have Weber back next year but their prospect pool is depleted, they may give up their first to a big package that might include some of, examples Goldy, Sven, Granlund, OJ, Tanev, Virtanen, later round picks... Arizona is run by a stats guru, he might give up a 1rst for Tanev, a stat guys dream. They could also use some veteran leadership and experience as they look to make the next step to the playoffs. They also have loads of prospects ready to play now so getting a bump might work. Detroit, there doesn't look like a whole lot they would trade a 1rst rounder for, maybe Tanev or Edler, they have tons of picks already, good cap space but could use some more dmen and maybe a goalie. NYR, stated they are rebuilding and some how they ended up with 3 1rst round picks this year, they could use some cap relief if they are going for Taveras this year or Doughty or Karlsson next year. They definitely could use some defence men and maybe a goalie. Anaheim and LA might ty to get one more kick at the cat before rebuilding so trading for their firsts would be for next year's draft, they would want established players and the Canucks aren't loaded up with those. Who knows what Carolina will do, it depends upon how much the new owner knows about hockey maybe he feels that two 2nd's and a 3rd rounder are worth a 1rst like in the NFL and MLB. What ever you think of these thoughts that is all they are and for entertainment, maybe they could be called "hopes", like all the current prospects are star NHLer's. This is the fantasy forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonoman Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: Teams that have a first round pick that might give one up. These teams are in the win now category, have a possible cap issue coming up or need to show improvement quickly. New York Islanders, they need to show Taveras that they are seriously trying to improve to help him decide to stay, they have 2 1rst round picks this year, their own and Calgary's, either of which is a good top ten pick regardless of the lottery. Edmonton, they are win now and may need cap space or certainty, a fast forward to play with McDavid that hits and a defensive defence man so Larsson can play more offensively. Colorado could use some depth, experience and are stepping up, they will have Ottawa's 1rst they might deal either this year or next year, they are a the end of the rebuilding cycle and in the building stage. Their own pick is not such a good idea. Ottawa, they need to build a team quickly to retain Karlsson, if enough pieces are offered they might give up their first round pick, say some players off the NHL roster and some later round picks over the next two years. Montreal, they will not want to rebuild, they are more in the re-tool as Price is entering his prime and 10 mil a year contract, they will have Weber back next year but their prospect pool is depleted, they may give up their first to a big package that might include some of, examples Goldy, Sven, Granlund, OJ, Tanev, Virtanen, later round picks... Arizona is run by a stats guru, he might give up a 1rst for Tanev, a stat guys dream. They could also use some veteran leadership and experience as they look to make the next step to the playoffs. They also have loads of prospects ready to play now so getting a bump might work. Detroit, there doesn't look like a whole lot they would trade a 1rst rounder for, maybe Tanev or Edler, they have tons of picks already, good cap space but could use some more dmen and maybe a goalie. NYR, stated they are rebuilding and some how they ended up with 3 1rst round picks this year, they could use some cap relief if they are going for Taveras this year or Doughty or Karlsson next year. They definitely could use some defence men and maybe a goalie. Anaheim and LA might ty to get one more kick at the cat before rebuilding so trading for their firsts would be for next year's draft, they would want established players and the Canucks aren't loaded up with those. Who knows what Carolina will do, it depends upon how much the new owner knows about hockey maybe he feels that two 2nd's and a 3rd rounder are worth a 1rst like in the NFL and MLB. What ever you think of these thoughts that is all they are and for entertainment, maybe they could be called "hopes", like all the current prospects are star NHLer's. This is the fantasy forum. Stopped reading at this point. We are still rebuilding and have developed these particular players where they are about to produce dividends. If we can get one of those picks for say Tanev and Goldy, then I'm down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Ottawa's first, that they traded to Colorado in the Duchene deal is top 10 protected. They'll be keeping it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted April 21, 2018 Author Share Posted April 21, 2018 23 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: Ottawa's first, that they traded to Colorado in the Duchene deal is top 10 protected. They'll be keeping it. They have that nice new arena they are building in Ottawa and they will want to re-sign Karlsson, they have an elephant of a contract to unload in Ryan and another with Gabrik. They lost money this year and will need some younger inexpensive players that can score the odd goal, just as examples, Goldy and Granlund would help there immediately. They have been a internal cap team until the playoff run last year. They may feel that their 1rst round pick this year is worth 7.25 mil over the next 4 years. Or both that saving over 12 mil is worth more than just one 1rst round pick. 24 minutes ago, sonoman said: Stopped reading at this point. We are still rebuilding and have developed these particular players where they are about to produce dividends. If we can get one of those picks for say Tanev and Goldy, then I'm down. This team is rebuilding and having 1rst round picks in the top ten would go miles in building a better team. The team won more than a few games without many players that were off injured, but even with those players in the line up the team was barely a playoff contender. Who would you rather have, Sven, Granlund, Goldy, Leipsic.... or maybe a Zadina, Svechnikov, Tkachuk, Bouchard or Dobson, maybe even a Dahlin? If a deal was done there might be two of those this year or two 1rst's next year. Re-building is so much concerned with getting to the playoffs in one year and with the loss of 150+ points next year will be a struggle. The players on this team for the last 3 years have never been on a winning team in the NHL, they have been roster fillers and this team is only starting to see if the prospects are NHL capable, they should not stop trying to load up on top draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 from that list I'd say NYI or Edmonton are most likely to give up a 1st round pick, but we can't afford to trade youth for it. Nice idea but I don't think its going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 45 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: Who would you rather have, Sven, Granlund, Goldy, Leipsic.... or maybe a Zadina, Svechnikov, Tkachuk, Bouchard or Dobson, maybe even a Dahlin? If a deal was done there might be two of those this year or two 1rst's next year. Don't you think that is the very question the teams that have the picks you are trying to get will be asking themselves? Who exactly are you proposing to trade to get those picks.....oh, ya.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted April 21, 2018 Author Share Posted April 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said: Don't you think that is the very question the teams that have the picks you are trying to get will be asking themselves? Who exactly are you proposing to trade to get those picks.....oh, ya.... Not really proposing anything as far as asset exchange, just naming teams that might consider moving their 1rst due to "need". Apart from maybe 4 players currently on the roster are there any that are absolutely hands off? And even those could be available at the right price. In a different forum I suggested that even Boeser could be made available at the right price, especially after his back injury, an injury that could shorten or change his career as back injuries have changed so many players careers. If the NYI offered the two 1rst round picks this year I would move Boeser especially if the deal happened before the lottery. That would give the Canucks 3 lottery shots and three top ten draft picks. Boeser with NYI might be enough to get Taveras to re-sign. This team and the players on it have been 26th and lower for 3 years in a row, some have never known a winning NHL season, if home grown drafts and prospects are the way to go then getting as many draft picks of high quality is necessary. With the team now in full rebuild winning next year is not the plan, playing prospects is and if winning happens, which it should, making the playoffs is not the goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Ryan Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 3 hours ago, TheGuardian_ said: Teams that have a first round pick that might give one up. These teams are in the win now category, have a possible cap issue coming up or need to show improvement quickly. New York Islanders, they need to show Taveras that they are seriously trying to improve to help him decide to stay, they have 2 1rst round picks this year, their own and Calgary's, either of which is a good top ten pick regardless of the lottery. Out of everything you posted, this is the one team that I think would work with us. Tanev would be a great start on acquiring one of those two 1sts, but not enough alone. I would see if they would take this deal: Tanev + Nilsson + Granlund for the higher of the two 1sts + 3rd next year (no 3rd available this year) and an adjustable 4th next year (depending on how well Granlund does, it could change all the way up to a 2nd; conversely it could go down to a 6th if he doesn't make the team). Nilsson is largely a player dump, so that takes away a little bit from this trade, but maybe he can remember how he did so well (comparatively) in Buffalo. Yes, they need to show Tavares a legit reason to stick around, especially if someone starts waving 12M at him. Trading those three from here would hurt some in the short run, but a draft where we end up with two of Hughes/Dobson/Bouchard would shore up our D depth tremendously. I don't see being able to trade into the top three with our pick and the hypothetically acquiring pick, unless the GM in question has been hitting the Jack Daniels a little too hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted April 21, 2018 Author Share Posted April 21, 2018 Edmonton - Tanev, Virtanen & 2nd for their 1rst and Puljujarvi NYI - Boeser (back) for their two 1rst's this year Montreal - Sven, Goldy, Granlund, Leipsic, OJ and next year's 4th pick. Ottawa - take on Ryan's or Gabrik's contracts throw in Baesrtchi and Goldoblin, maybe add a 4th round pick for their first this year. Arizona - Tanev & 2nd - their 1rst Colorado - Tanev & ? for Ottawa's pick. It is all for fun, although there could be some extreme outside possibility of something happening, some rely on the "hope" of the current prospects all being sure things, I "hope" the Canucks draft more players in the top 10, almost assuredly they would be an upgrade on most of the current roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzam Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 The only player that we could realistically trade and fetch a first rounder is Tanev. Even with his injuries, top 4 D don't come cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bp79 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 4 hours ago, TheGuardian_ said: Edmonton - Tanev, Virtanen & 2nd for their 1rst and Puljujarvi NYI - Boeser (back) for their two 1rst's this year Montreal - Sven, Goldy, Granlund, Leipsic, OJ and next year's 4th pick. Ottawa - take on Ryan's or Gabrik's contracts throw in Baesrtchi and Goldoblin, maybe add a 4th round pick for their first this year. Arizona - Tanev & 2nd - their 1rst Colorado - Tanev & ? for Ottawa's pick. It is all for fun, although there could be some extreme outside possibility of something happening, some rely on the "hope" of the current prospects all being sure things, I "hope" the Canucks draft more players in the top 10, almost assuredly they would be an upgrade on most of the current roster. Brocks injury is not the type that is going to be chronic. Do a little research before you make a thread. The Canucks are a few pieces away from being competitive. Giving up all the players we have spent time developing just leads to perpetual losing. IE the Yotes model. I for one am tired of being a fan of the draft. it's time to take our pick this year draft one more hopefully top 6 pick and go out and try to acquire the right mix of players that will be free agents in the next few years. What is the point of amassing all these picks only to toil in the bottom for another 5 years? You can"t win with 20-year-olds leading your team. You need a mix of young plus depth and experience. After this draft, we should have one of the best prospect pools in Hockey. Time to start putting an emphasis on winning. Unless you like watching nothing games for 75% of the year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 5 hours ago, TheGuardian_ said: Edmonton - Tanev, Virtanen & 2nd for their 1rst and Puljujarvi NYI - Boeser (back) for their two 1rst's this year Montreal - Sven, Goldy, Granlund, Leipsic, OJ and next year's 4th pick. Ottawa - take on Ryan's or Gabrik's contracts throw in Baesrtchi and Goldoblin, maybe add a 4th round pick for their first this year. Arizona - Tanev & 2nd - their 1rst Colorado - Tanev & ? for Ottawa's pick. It is all for fun, although there could be some extreme outside possibility of something happening, some rely on the "hope" of the current prospects all being sure things, I "hope" the Canucks draft more players in the top 10, almost assuredly they would be an upgrade on most of the current roster. Montreal doesn’t even consider that. It’s a bunch of mid level assests (with the ecrption of OJ) that does nothing to address their needs and burns 5 contract spots. They’re better off taking their 1st and getting a high level prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 7 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said: Don't you think that is the very question the teams that have the picks you are trying to get will be asking themselves? Who exactly are you proposing to trade to get those picks.....oh, ya.... Granlund. In our dreams right? The only guy that isn't Horvat or Boeser that can land a high first rounder is probably Edler. Good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 8 hours ago, TheGuardian_ said: They have that nice new arena they are building in Ottawa and they will want to re-sign Karlsson, they have an elephant of a contract to unload in Ryan and another with Gabrik. They lost money this year and will need some younger inexpensive players that can score the odd goal, just as examples, Goldy and Granlund would help there immediately. They have been a internal cap team until the playoff run last year. They may feel that their 1rst round pick this year is worth 7.25 mil over the next 4 years. Or both that saving over 12 mil is worth more than just one 1rst round pick. This team is rebuilding and having 1rst round picks in the top ten would go miles in building a better team. The team won more than a few games without many players that were off injured, but even with those players in the line up the team was barely a playoff contender. Who would you rather have, Sven, Granlund, Goldy, Leipsic.... or maybe a Zadina, Svechnikov, Tkachuk, Bouchard or Dobson, maybe even a Dahlin? If a deal was done there might be two of those this year or two 1rst's next year. Re-building is so much concerned with getting to the playoffs in one year and with the loss of 150+ points next year will be a struggle. The players on this team for the last 3 years have never been on a winning team in the NHL, they have been roster fillers and this team is only starting to see if the prospects are NHL capable, they should not stop trying to load up on top draft picks. There is absolutely no way we have anything that we can offer outside of Boeser and Horvat that will get us more than one of these guys, and that is ludicrous considering we already have .. well Boeser and Horvat. If we were going to move them for a top young PROVEN defenseman, I could get behind that (Ghost?) but it would be bitter sweet. What's wrong with drafting the BPA with whatever pick we have and leaving the rest alone? Edler wouldn't get you a second or third overall, and he wouldn't escort the trade anyways. Tanev would get a first from a playoff team, so at best a mid first rounder, more likely a late. Maybe Benning will do something at the draft to get more picks, but seconds are likely the best we could expect, and he won't gut the team for 10% odds at seven year career NHLer by trading the guys away that already ARE that. I'm all for picks but we have to actually have something to offer. Trading Boeser (sorry I don't buy this back injury bull, he's not getting surgery so it's not that serious, and coming from a guy who's had two I know a little about this) for first round picks in the hope we draft, well another Boeser is Milburyian ludicrous. If it wasn't for Barzal even with his injury he would still be a front runner for the Calder. So far he's looking like one of the best picks we've ever had. No way I'd risk that on another White. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 3 hours ago, shazzam said: The only player that we could realistically trade and fetch a first rounder is Tanev. Even with his injuries, top 4 D don't come cheap. Tanev will not fetch you a top 10 pick...No way, Lets say maybe Toronto might be interested again? So later 1st rd pick possible and a prospect...Teams like Tanev but he gets hurt a lot, Value has gone down a little... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 43 minutes ago, qwijibo said: Montreal doesn’t even consider that. It’s a bunch of mid level assests (with the ecrption of OJ) that does nothing to address their needs and burns 5 contract spots. They’re better off taking their 1st and getting a high level prospect. 44 minutes ago, qwijibo said: Montreal doesn’t even consider that. It’s a bunch of mid level assests (with the ecrption of OJ) that does nothing to address their needs and burns 5 contract spots. They’re better off taking their 1st and getting a high level prospect. Morre EA sports fans...Make all those trades are ridiculous, trading Boser??? I am stopping comments.. EA SPORTS TALK.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 6 hours ago, TheGuardian_ said: Not really proposing anything as far as asset exchange, just naming teams that might consider moving their 1rst due to "need". Apart from maybe 4 players currently on the roster are there any that are absolutely hands off? And even those could be available at the right price. In a different forum I suggested that even Boeser could be made available at the right price, especially after his back injury, an injury that could shorten or change his career as back injuries have changed so many players careers. If the NYI offered the two 1rst round picks this year I would move Boeser especially if the deal happened before the lottery. That would give the Canucks 3 lottery shots and three top ten draft picks. Boeser with NYI might be enough to get Taveras to re-sign. This team and the players on it have been 26th and lower for 3 years in a row, some have never known a winning NHL season, if home grown drafts and prospects are the way to go then getting as many draft picks of high quality is necessary. With the team now in full rebuild winning next year is not the plan, playing prospects is and if winning happens, which it should, making the playoffs is not the goal. Well, as Boeser's injury is a one-off with zero long-term implications (I know that injury...personally), I would put him in "unlikely" to be traded unless you get something like Laine in return. I think NYR are the team most likely to trade a pick if they were offered something good. I think the one player the Canucks might move that may surprise a bunch of people if they do something off the charts radical would be Horvat....but I think the odds are very low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 hour ago, IBatch said: Granlund. In our dreams right? The only guy that isn't Horvat or Boeser that can land a high first rounder is probably Edler. Good luck with that. Tanev could lead to a mid-late round pick in the first given the fact sooo many teams are showing a need for a true top 4 shut down guy. I don't think Edler would give that return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB5 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 14 hours ago, TheGuardian_ said: Montreal, they will not want to rebuild, they are more in the re-tool as Price is entering his prime and 10 mil a year contract, they will have Weber back next year but their prospect pool is depleted, they may give up their first to a big package that might include some of, examples Goldy, Sven, Granlund, OJ, Tanev, Virtanen, later round picks... Now that's just silly......trade recent first round picks (Virtanen and OJ) before they develop to get a first? What a vicious cycle that would be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agoork Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Possibilities: Trade Tanev for a mid to late 1st. Take a bad contract from another team with one of our extra wingers/dmen going the other way for a late 1st. Could package our early 2nd with someone of some value to move that into the mid-late 1st. Would also be cool if Florida decides they can't survive without Guddy, so they give up their 1st straight up for him (or even pick #33, which they also have). With our 1st, trade back to a team that has 2 1sts. NYI, CHI, NYR - this will entirely depend on where the lottery leaves everyone though. Another possibility, is to to try to gain a bunch of early 2nd round picks (DET, MTL, NYI all have 2 early 2nd rounders). We have the extra bodies and the cap space for JB to make a splash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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