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Carolina has the #2 overall pick,

Is there anything the Canucks can offer them for their 1rst? Would the Nucks even want it?

 

Carolina will be a funny duck this year with that new hands on owner that is relatively new to hockey and the NHL.

It may be worth it for the Canucks two ways, one to package two firsts for Buffalo or simply to draft the big Russian center and accelerate the rebuild. 

 

With the new owner supposedly money should no longer be an issue.

 

Being a US sports guy the owner might still look at later round picks as having more value like the other major league sports but he will have advisors so again not likely.

 

They could use a goalie upgrade and maybe some defensive help, truth is they look a lot like the Canucks will look next year.

 

Carolina has sucked for the last 9 years so he might just look at Vegas and blow up the team. Carolina is loaded with their own draft picks but they do have some that look pretty good.

 

The Nucks trading their first to Carolina might actually be more possible, Canuck #1 for Hanafin and Rask or Lindholm, maybe have to throw in a 3rd rounder there.

This certainly would not help them get a good draft pick next year as adding those 2 players might put the team within striking distance of 3rd in the division or a wild card spot hurting next year's draft spot.

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I think at some point we are going to have an abundance of good young forward talent. I think at this point we have the ability to trade off some assets to get picks.  We want picks now more than we want them later. 

 

Unfortunately, most of the guys who we will want to move aren’t worth their full amount right now. For example... Tanev needs to show he can play most of a season.  Granlund and Hutton are at their 52wk low stock price.  Markstrom still hasn’t proven he can be a consistent #1 goalie.  Then there are guys with close potential like the Goldobins, Virtanen's which will be worth more developed than on the cusp. Finally our real young and talented forwards who aren’t more than prospects quite yet and they will largely make up our team shortly.  

 

None of of these guys make sense to move right now. I say we stand pat for selling right now and add one or two UFAs and have a fire sale at TDL next season.

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If we can make a trade for an extra pick in the top half of the 1st round, we need to do it.

 

Jesperi Kotkaniemi is someone that many pundits think is under-rated.

 

We could really use him, especially if we aren’t sure Petterson can transition to centre.  He is being compared to Anne Kopitar as a guy who is solid and can contribute in every aspect of the game.

 

One of Dobson/Hughes/Bouchard; then Kotkaniemi; and then load up on D picks most of the later rounds and it would be a remarkably successful draft.... especially if we could also add a couple mid/late round picks.

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32 minutes ago, Provost said:

If we can make a trade for an extra pick in the top half of the 1st round, we need to do it.

 

Jesperi Kotkaniemi is someone that many pundits think is under-rated.

 

We could really use him, especially if we aren’t sure Petterson can transition to centre.  He is being compared to Anne Kopitar as a guy who is solid and can contribute in every aspect of the game.

 

One of Dobson/Hughes/Bouchard; then Kotkaniemi; and then load up on D picks most of the later rounds and it would be a remarkably successful draft.... especially if we could also add a couple mid/late round picks.

Do we really need another center?  Assuming Pettersson will be good enough we have him, then Horvat, then Gaudette and whoever for the 4th.  I'd say if we did have a 2nd 1st round pick we draft another d unless Benning is super high on another player.  We all know prospects don't always turn out so drafting 2 d gives us some security for the future.  And if they both turn out, great.  (Especially if we dip into UFA next year for a guy like OEL)

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5 minutes ago, kloubek said:

Do we really need another center?  Assuming Pettersson will be good enough we have him, then Horvat, then Gaudette and whoever for the 4th.  I'd say if we did have a 2nd 1st round pick we draft another d unless Benning is super high on another player.  We all know prospects don't always turn out so drafting 2 d gives us some security for the future.  And if they both turn out, great.  (Especially if we dip into UFA next year for a guy like OEL)

The same logic about not all D prospects working out applies to centres as well.

 

Petterson could quite easily not be able to move over to Centre.  Guadette May never be better than a 4th liner.  We are barren as an organization after that.

 

Worst case, everything turns up roses and we have the centre position strong and locked up for more than a decade to build around:

Petterson

Horvat

Kotkaniemi

Gaudette

 

D take longer to develop and are harder to predict in scouting.  It is smarter to load up on D in rounds 2-7 and see who ends up overperforming relative to their draft ranking.

 

We should also go after Carlson as a UFA even if we have to overpay, especially assuming that Tanev would likely be moved out if we were attaining another 1st round pick.

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13 minutes ago, Provost said:

The same logic about not all D prospects working out applies to centres as well.

 

Petterson could quite easily not be able to move over to Centre.  Guadette May never be better than a 4th liner.  We are barren as an organization after that.

 

Worst case, everything turns up roses and we have the centre position strong and locked up for more than a decade to build around:

Petterson

Horvat

Kotkaniemi

Gaudette

 

D take longer to develop and are harder to predict in scouting.  It is smarter to load up on D in rounds 2-7 and see who ends up overperforming relative to their draft ranking.

 

We should also go after Carlson as a UFA even if we have to overpay, especially assuming that Tanev would likely be moved out if we were attaining another 1st round pick.

I agree that Pettersson might not be as good as we all hope, but I think he is showing as much as he possibly could at this stage in his career to give us confidence he will develop appropriately. I see no reason why he wouldn't be able to handle center, although it is fair enough he might end up being a winger for us.  Gaudette is more of a toss-up, I will admit.  Just not enough sample size - though he showed well at the end of the season even though it didn't count on the scoresheet.

 

You're right - d take longer to develop which is why I think we'd need to ideally draft 2 first round defensemen.  Future drafts we can focus on replenishing our forwards but right now we have too many forward prospects as it is and will have to unload some at a point.

 

Carlson I can be on board with, although he's going to get paid largely due to this one amazing year.  Can we expect him to keep producing at that level?  If so, he's absolutely what we need.  

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The Hockey Writers had an article about Philadelphia's need for better defence.  One of the suggestions was trading their later 1st to Vancouver for Brandon Sutter, so he could be their shutdown center. 

 

https://thehockeywriters.com/flyers-top-center-targets/

 

Brandon Sutter

Now we move to the trades. The Flyers haven’t had a Sutter play for them since Ron left in 1991 — could Brandon Sutter be the next? The 29-year old has three-years left with a $4.375 million cap hit with the Vancouver Canucks.

Brandon Sutter

Brandon Sutter (Bob Frid-USA TODAY Sports)

He hasn’t scored more than 40 points since his second year with Carolina (2009-10) and is coming off an injury-plagued season where he only played 61 games, but I believe he is an improvement over what they have and his skills fill a need. He has 16 career shorthanded points and only five forwards have played more than his 1,231 shorthanded minutes since 2010-11. Sutter has also won 49% of his face-offs in his career.

The Canucks are in full rebuild with the retirement of the Sedin twins. The Flyers could send Vancouver their second first-round pick (19th overall) to easily get the deal done and no doubt Sutter would waive his no-trade clause to join the Orange and Black.

 

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55 minutes ago, Agoork said:

The Hockey Writers had an article about Philadelphia's need for better defence.  One of the suggestions was trading their later 1st to Vancouver for Brandon Sutter, so he could be their shutdown center. 

 

https://thehockeywriters.com/flyers-top-center-targets/

 

Brandon Sutter

Now we move to the trades. The Flyers haven’t had a Sutter play for them since Ron left in 1991 — could Brandon Sutter be the next? The 29-year old has three-years left with a $4.375 million cap hit with the Vancouver Canucks.

Brandon Sutter

Brandon Sutter (Bob Frid-USA TODAY Sports)

He hasn’t scored more than 40 points since his second year with Carolina (2009-10) and is coming off an injury-plagued season where he only played 61 games, but I believe he is an improvement over what they have and his skills fill a need. He has 16 career shorthanded points and only five forwards have played more than his 1,231 shorthanded minutes since 2010-11. Sutter has also won 49% of his face-offs in his career.

The Canucks are in full rebuild with the retirement of the Sedin twins. The Flyers could send Vancouver their second first-round pick (19th overall) to easily get the deal done and no doubt Sutter would waive his no-trade clause to join the Orange and Black.

 

Sutter is a bit under-rated but so do this deal any day of the week.

 

The modern NHL team has three offensive scoring lines and Sutter doesn’t really help in that regard.

 

Between Gagner/Gaudette/Granlund/Gaunce we should be able to cover the bottom two C spots.

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Tanev and Nilsson to NYI for 11th overall, 2nd rounder in 2019 and Andrew Ladd 25% retained (makes his cap hit 4.125)

 

Sutter to Philly for MacDonald and 19th overall (maybe some retention on Sutter to get it done)

 

Granlund to Minny for Ennis and two 2nd round picks in offsetting years.

 

trade deadline ship out Baertschi, Ennis and Del Zotto

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2 hours ago, Agoork said:

The Hockey Writers had an article about Philadelphia's need for better defence.  One of the suggestions was trading their later 1st to Vancouver for Brandon Sutter, so he could be their shutdown center. 

 

https://thehockeywriters.com/flyers-top-center-targets/

 

Brandon Sutter

Now we move to the trades. The Flyers haven’t had a Sutter play for them since Ron left in 1991 — could Brandon Sutter be the next? The 29-year old has three-years left with a $4.375 million cap hit with the Vancouver Canucks.

 

Brandon Sutter (Bob Frid-USA TODAY Sports)

He hasn’t scored more than 40 points since his second year with Carolina (2009-10) and is coming off an injury-plagued season where he only played 61 games, but I believe he is an improvement over what they have and his skills fill a need. He has 16 career shorthanded points and only five forwards have played more than his 1,231 shorthanded minutes since 2010-11. Sutter has also won 49% of his face-offs in his career.

The Canucks are in full rebuild with the retirement of the Sedin twins. The Flyers could send Vancouver their second first-round pick (19th overall) to easily get the deal done and no doubt Sutter would waive his no-trade clause to join the Orange and Black.

 

I'd do this trade!

 

1 hour ago, flickyoursedin said:

 

Sutter to Philly for MacDonald and 19th overall (maybe some retention on Sutter to get it done)

 

I don't think we would need to retain any on Sutter if we are taking back MacDonald. And I would want the 14th overall or a prospect added on. 

I was thinking of a similar trade:

Tanev to Philly for MacDonald, a high prospect  and 19th overall or better yet 14th.

 

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Montreal's third overall pick,

 

Funny duck here as well, the fan base exerts so much pressure it makes Vancouver look like a Buddhist Temple.

 

They have their goalie of the future now and just starting his 10mil/yr contract, they have Weber and his almost 8 mil a year, they have cap issues and their prospect pool isn't great, they are re-something.

 

Their needs are everywhere, it might be possible to swarm them with later round picks a few prospects and maybe a player on the roster that doesn't have an "R" in their name.

 

One third overall pick for them might not be as enticing as 4 or 5 players/prospects/picks.

 

It might be a draft table decision.

 

It would be worth it if the Canucks retain all their own picks next year and their 1rst this year. With a 3rd and 7th overall maybe Buffalo can be moved to deal.

 

 

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27 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said:

Montreal's third overall pick,

 

Funny duck here as well, the fan base exerts so much pressure it makes Vancouver look like a Buddhist Temple.

 

They have their goalie of the future now and just starting his 10mil/yr contract, they have Weber and his almost 8 mil a year, they have cap issues and their prospect pool isn't great, they are re-something.

 

Their needs are everywhere, it might be possible to swarm them with later round picks a few prospects and maybe a player on the roster that doesn't have an "R" in their name.

 

One third overall pick for them might not be as enticing as 4 or 5 players/prospects/picks.

 

It might be a draft table decision.

 

It would be worth it if the Canucks retain all their own picks next year and their 1rst this year. With a 3rd and 7th overall maybe Buffalo can be moved to deal.

 

 

They need a high end puck moving LDH and a 1C , 2C. They also have a 1st, four 2nds, a 3rd and three 4th round picks this draft. Offering them a bunch of crap isn’t going to get you the 3rd overall pick.  

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On 5/3/2018 at 10:51 PM, flickyoursedin said:

Tanev and Nilsson to NYI for 11th overall, 2nd rounder in 2019 and Andrew Ladd 25% retained (makes his cap hit 4.125)

 

Sutter to Philly for MacDonald and 19th overall (maybe some retention on Sutter to get it done)

 

Granlund to Minny for Ennis and two 2nd round picks in offsetting years.

 

trade deadline ship out Baertschi, Ennis and Del Zotto

Philadelphia has plenty of cap space - per their media the most they've ever had since 2007.  In the past Hextall has demoted MacDonald to the AHL - i.e. with cap space and cash not a concern this year there's no reason to pay to get rid of him just yet.  They are looking for a C3 and a veteran penalty killer and Sutter would fit but the Canucks are probably not interested in trading him.  Btw Hextall talks of using 14th and 19th to get into the top-10.  


Minnesota is not giving up high draft picks - their prospect pool is terrible after having traded so many picks in the 1st 3 rounds.  Also their owner believes that the size of their player is the reason for their lack of success in the playoffs - doubtful he'll want another undersized player on his team.  Ennis is more likely to be bought out.  He also won't have TDL value.  He was scratched in the playoffs save for one game where he played 7min.

 

NYI is trying to improve their goalie situation - Nilsson has a gaa of 3.44 and a sv% of 0.901.  

 

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On 2018-05-03 at 3:41 PM, Agoork said:

The Hockey Writers had an article about Philadelphia's need for better defence.  One of the suggestions was trading their later 1st to Vancouver for Brandon Sutter, so he could be their shutdown center. 

 

https://thehockeywriters.com/flyers-top-center-targets/

 

Brandon Sutter

Now we move to the trades. The Flyers haven’t had a Sutter play for them since Ron left in 1991 — could Brandon Sutter be the next? The 29-year old has three-years left with a $4.375 million cap hit with the Vancouver Canucks.

Brandon Sutter

Brandon Sutter (Bob Frid-USA TODAY Sports)

He hasn’t scored more than 40 points since his second year with Carolina (2009-10) and is coming off an injury-plagued season where he only played 61 games, but I believe he is an improvement over what they have and his skills fill a need. He has 16 career shorthanded points and only five forwards have played more than his 1,231 shorthanded minutes since 2010-11. Sutter has also won 49% of his face-offs in his career.

The Canucks are in full rebuild with the retirement of the Sedin twins. The Flyers could send Vancouver their second first-round pick (19th overall) to easily get the deal done and no doubt Sutter would waive his no-trade clause to join the Orange and Black.

 

We gotta take a 1st for Sutter and run laughing to the bank tbh. For either of their 1sts we’d be crazy not to do it. 

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18 hours ago, qwijibo said:

They need a high end puck moving LDH and a 1C , 2C. They also have a 1st, four 2nds, a 3rd and three 4th round picks this draft. Offering them a bunch of crap isn’t going to get you the 3rd overall pick.  

Re Montreal

 

Ya they need a ton and they will not want to wait 2 +years for development.

OJ might interest them it might be a really good fit for him as well being that they are a better team than the Nucks.

 

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16 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said:

Re Montreal

 

Ya they need a ton and they will not want to wait 2 +years for development.

OJ might interest them it might be a really good fit for him as well being that they are a better team than the Nucks.

 

A top 3 pick may be able to step right into the lineup.  Regardless.  OJ is not going to be enough to get that pick. And he’s not really the puck moving guy they need.  

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On ‎5‎/‎6‎/‎2018 at 12:48 PM, qwijibo said:

A top 3 pick may be able to step right into the lineup.  Regardless.  OJ is not going to be enough to get that pick. And he’s not really the puck moving guy they need.  

No OJ would not be enough, additional picks other than the 1rst maybe, maybe a couple of prospects, Briesbois, Pouliot.

And it depends upon the pick available unless the Nucks try to package 1rst's for the number 1 pick, then additional assets could be offered.

No need to do a deal if the right forward is not available, if the Nucks are keeping the pick.

 

Maybe Sutter and retain some salary,

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