KelownaCanucksFan Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Looks like a Ryder Rental van. Yep fits the mo of lots of these incidents recently (new York, Edmonton etc) rental vehicle driven by a Muslim immigrant who wants to kill innocent people who are just going about their day. As for the people mad at the comments regarding guns... grow some thick skin, they do have a point. It’s not the weapon that’s used that’s the problem it’s the extremists and mentally ill that’s the real problem. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people and if they really want to kill, the they will use anything to achieve their sick goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 No matter who did this and why, WE all need to stop blaming this and that. We need to start fixing the problems rather than finger pointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRypien37 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 43 minutes ago, HI5 said: Driving high perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, gurn said: No matter who did this and why, WE all need to stop blaming this and that. We need to start fixing the problems rather than finger pointing. What is the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbox Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, Warhippy said: I'm just impatient is all. I'd like to know who and why regardless of the outcome. We know info is coming but still. I wish I had a concrete answer for you. I also just want to know why. I don't really care what they look like either because a terror attack is damn scary and can come from anyone at anytime now . Person A driving the van over person B doesn't make this any less fatal or scary. I bet ISIS takes responsibility regardless if it had anything to do with them. All I know right now is it definitely was intentional and not drug/alcohol related. This person had a motive and I hope we find out what it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THERETOOL Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Just now, KelownaCanucksFan said: Yep fits the mo of lots of these incidents recently (new York, Edmonton etc) rental vehicle driven by a Muslim immigrant who wants to kill innocent people who are just going about their day. As for the people mad at the comments regarding guns... grow some thick skin, they do have a point. It’s not the weapon that’s used that’s the problem it’s the extremists and mentally ill that’s the real problem. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people and if they really want to kill, the they will use anything to achieve their sick goal. comparing a pistol to a semi automatic weapon is similar to comparing a rental van to a an artillery tank .. they can all do damage .. but the tank and the machine gun can take it to another level all together . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, riffraff said: What is the problem? Stress, mental health, unrealistic expectations, brain washing etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, KelownaCanucksFan said: Yep fits the mo of lots of these incidents recently (new York, Edmonton etc) rental vehicle driven by a Muslim immigrant who wants to kill innocent people who are just going about their day. As for the people mad at the comments regarding guns... grow some thick skin, they do have a point. It’s not the weapon that’s used that’s the problem it’s the extremists and mentally ill that’s the real problem. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people and if they really want to kill, the they will use anything to achieve their sick goal. So you know something we don't? Might be muslim might be christian. Maybe pump the brakes big guy and don't be that person. As for it not being the gun. Seems to me that 99% of the time it's a gun killing people. I don't need to visit a waffle house gay bar or movie theater let alone a country music concert or church to prove that point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squamfan Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 22 minutes ago, taxi said: Video of the cop taking him down: [tweet]988487471238451201[/tweet] Apparently, it was not a gun in his hand but a cell phone....All I can say is that is incredible police work. In that kind of situation, a lot of people would have just pulled the trigger. EDIT: The video is on twitter.....CDC doesn't support tweets? can you post the link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, Squamfan said: can you post the link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 10 minutes ago, gurn said: Stress, mental health, unrealistic expectations, brain washing etc. Ouch. Media and government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 19 minutes ago, gurn said: Stress, mental health, unrealistic expectations, brain washing etc. 8 minutes ago, riffraff said: Ouch. Media and government. Religions getting warped to suit particular agendas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 It's a terror attack in the sense it was senseless and against innocent public. Whether it is politically/religiously driven remains to be seen. To me, that's a TRUE terror attack as opposed to some disturbed nut job running amok. Unfortunately, banning vehicles is not an option. Hopefully we can some up with some sort of system to combat people using trucks for these purposes as it seems to be becoming the flavour de jour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, kloubek said: It's a terror attack in the sense it was senseless and against innocent public. Whether it is politically/religiously driven remains to be seen. To me, that's a TRUE terror attack as opposed to some disturbed nut job running amok. Unfortunately, banning vehicles is not an option. Hopefully we can some up with some sort of system to combat people using trucks for these purposes as it seems to be becoming the flavour de jour. No..no man you've got it all wrong according to some Just wait, the same 3 people will be here momentarily to tell you how it is NOT a terror attack because it is not religiously or politically motivated just like they do with every mass shooting because it does not fit the dictionary definition of "terrorism" Unless of course the driver is a Muslim in which case they'll of course agree with you even if he had no political or religious intentions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 11 minutes ago, Warhippy said: No..no man you've got it all wrong according to some Just wait, the same 3 people will be here momentarily to tell you how it is NOT a terror attack because it is not religiously or politically motivated just like they do with every mass shooting because it does not fit the dictionary definition of "terrorism" Unless of course the driver is a Muslim in which case they'll of course agree with you even if he had no political or religious intentions. It's all in what one defines as a terrorist attack, and what an individual's personal wording is. Semantics, really. Sorry to say but I'd be the 4th in that group if it turns out this guy had motives outside of simply being nuts, and especially if he had actual ties in any way to known terror groups. I certainly would not say that if he simply was a Muslim, however. I'd just chalk that up to a coincidence or perhaps the fact that Muslims are getting more and more oppressed so one would imagine there is some inherent bitterness there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, kloubek said: It's all in what one defines as a terrorist attack, and what an individual's personal wording is. Semantics, really. Sorry to say but I'd be the 4th in that group if it turns out this guy had motives outside of simply being nuts, and especially if he had actual ties in any way to known terror groups. I certainly would not say that if he simply was a Muslim, however. I'd just chalk that up to a coincidence or perhaps the fact that Muslims are getting more and more oppressed so one would imagine there is some inherent bitterness there. My comment is more how some people define terrorism based on their prejudices on this site. Man opens fire in Vegas. not a terrorist attack. Man shoots 7 muslims at a mosque in Canada not an act of terror. Man shoots 6 in african american congregation in the US not an act of terror. African American shoots 4 officers, terrorist. Sexually confused muslim shoots up a gay bar, terrorist. Child shoots up school, mental issues. If this person HAS an agenda than they are a terrorist. As are any of the other terrorists in the examples I just posted. I only post that as a counterpoint to the inevitable statements which will come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish⑦Canuck Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 Nine confirmed fatalities. Awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Warhippy said: My comment is more how some people define terrorism based on their prejudices on this site. Man opens fire in Vegas. not a terrorist attack. Man shoots 7 muslims at a mosque in Canada not an act of terror. Man shoots 6 in african american congregation in the US not an act of terror. African American shoots 4 officers, terrorist. Sexually confused muslim shoots up a gay bar, terrorist. Child shoots up school, mental issues. If this person HAS an agenda than they are a terrorist. As are any of the other terrorists in the examples I just posted. I only post that as a counterpoint to the inevitable statements which will come. Well again though, some view a "terrorist" as having an agenda that came from outside the country. Who called an African American who shot 4 officers a terrorist? To me, that's not necessarily a terrorist (by my own definition) unless that person did so as a result of following an outside group. Nor do I think the Vegas shooter was a terrorist by my own definition. The guy who shot the congregation of black people... nuts? Sure. Evil? You bet. And horribly racist, of cousrse. But "terrorist"? Well, not by the definition of having been influenced by an outside entity. Like I said though, it's totally subjective and ambiguous. I think there is more ammunition to claim all of these are so-called terrorist attacks than by my own definition involving outside influence. Terror is terror no matter what. But I'll stick to what *I* call a terrorist just because that's the context in which I've always referred to it. As a side note: If someone declares someone is a terrorist simply because the person in question had a different religion or skin colour, then I would, by my own definition, call them a racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Scottish⑦Canuck said: Nine confirmed fatalities. Awful. Holy $&!#. That sucks harsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, kloubek said: Well again though, some view a "terrorist" as having an agenda that came from outside the country. Who called an African American who shot 4 officers a terrorist? To me, that's not necessarily a terrorist (by my own definition) unless that person did so as a result of following an outside group. Nor do I think the Vegas shooter was a terrorist by my own definition. The guy who shot the congregation of black people... nuts? Sure. Evil? You bet. And horribly racist, of cousrse. But "terrorist"? Well, not by the definition of having been influenced by an outside entity. Like I said though, it's totally subjective and ambiguous. I think there is more ammunition to claim all of these are so-called terrorist attacks than by my own definition involving outside influence. Terror is terror no matter what. But I'll stick to what *I* call a terrorist just because that's the context in which I've always referred to it. As a side note: If someone declares someone is a terrorist simply because the person in question had a different religion or skin colour, then I would, by my own definition, call them a racist. I myself call anyone ANYONE who intends to cause as much harm and devastation as possible a terrorist. They intend to hurt harm, scare or generally terrorize people. It's sad that so many people are so divided that religion and skin colour now plays an important part of what they consider criminal. As of now there are 9 dead and I believe 12 to 16 injured (or 16 total hit) and every single time I look at that story I keep seeing the same comments. It's incredibly sad As for the black guy who gunned down cops a while back. There's a thread for it I'd rather not look at again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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