goblix Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 Why do people want to move up to pick a winger so badly? It's going to cost too much and I'd rather use an asset like Tanev to get a late first and a good prospect or a good young roster player rather than to move 3-4 spots up in the draft. Yes Zadina and Svechnikov look like studs but the defencemen we can get at the 7 spot is what we've always wanted. Draft Dobson, Hughes, or Boqvist and be glad to get a smooth skating dman with offensive tools and excellent puck transition ability. Then trade Tanev for pick at the 2018 draft if there is a player you can target on the board. Optionally we could keep Tanev and trade him for 2019 firsts at the TDL and try to load up for the draft that we are hosting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 14 minutes ago, goblix said: Why do people want to move up to pick a winger so badly? It's going to cost too much and I'd rather use an asset like Tanev to get a late first and a good prospect or a good young roster player rather than to move 3-4 spots up in the draft. Yes Zadina and Svechnikov look like studs but the defencemen we can get at the 7 spot is what we've always wanted. Draft Dobson, Hughes, or Boqvist and be glad to get a smooth skating dman with offensive tools and excellent puck transition ability. Then trade Tanev for pick at the 2018 draft if there is a player you can target on the board. Optionally we could keep Tanev and trade him for 2019 firsts at the TDL and try to load up for the draft that we are hosting. The difference in a potential superstar versus a star. NHL ready players in the top 3 too. Anywhere in the top 7-8 is pretty solid. Boqvist has the highest potential outside of the top 3 imo. Bouchard and Dobson have size and offensive pedigree. Hughes is a great skater with great handles offensively dynamic. Wahlstrom can absolutely sniper. Center/Winger it sounds like. Tkachuk is his brother ramped up to 10. Excited about this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 45 minutes ago, goblix said: Why do people want to move up to pick a winger so badly? It's going to cost too much and I'd rather use an asset like Tanev to get a late first and a good prospect or a good young roster player rather than to move 3-4 spots up in the draft. Yes Zadina and Svechnikov look like studs but the defencemen we can get at the 7 spot is what we've always wanted. Draft Dobson, Hughes, or Boqvist and be glad to get a smooth skating dman with offensive tools and excellent puck transition ability. Then trade Tanev for pick at the 2018 draft if there is a player you can target on the board. Optionally we could keep Tanev and trade him for 2019 firsts at the TDL and try to load up for the draft that we are hosting. This is where I'm at as well. Zero desire to pay the price required for a marginally better/more ready prospect at W. Would LOVE to move Tanev for a pick in the Smith/Kotkaniemi/Valeno/Lunderstrom area as well (or as you say, a 2019 1st). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
komodo0921 Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 9 hours ago, Rounoush said: I actually don't care about moving up. I do, however, want another 1st rounder if Benning can work some magic. I would love to see him pick up another first rounder for next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 15 hours ago, Rush17 said: Sounds like a situation Jim could fully take advantage of. If they prefer a D man they may want to slide down a few spots. We could offer Baerstchi + 7th pick and another asset to possibly move up. What are your guys thoughts on this? 15 hours ago, Rush17 said: The way this is worded. Screams Montreal wants to deal with Vancouver. Mentions if a team wants a player who's ready next season you have to pony up. To me, that yells Canucks lol. We wanted a guy who could step up and we are close enough in the draft just 4 spots back where they could nab their guy they like. I'm just speculating though. Very intriguing. Montreal open to moving the 3rd and Edmonton stated earlier this month they'd be willing to move their pick which is now the 10th overall. I think Montreal wants Hughes or Boqvist. Both of whom could be possibly had around our pick. Interesting times ahead indeed. Saying you want to move the pick and doing it totally different though lol. It's easier said than done to get the value you desire. I don't see how this screams of wanting to deal with Vancouver. And regardless, why Vancouver would be particularly interested isn't clear to me either. If anything I think Vancouver would probably be open to moving that pick themselves if they landed in the 3 spot. Montreal undoubtedly is banking (were they to deal that pick) on forwards going 2 and 3 - and having moved Sergachev would probably want to move back into a 4 to 7 spot to draft a defenseman (or alternatively, possibly acquire an NHL ready one alternatively). From my perspective, the Canucks would be one of the least likely candidates to want to move out of a position to fill a primary organization need that lines up well a potential bpa at their draft position. Moving up to 4, 5 or 6 imo would make more sense than 3 - if the team were particularly keen on a particular blueliner far more so than the rest of (close) field. But given the relative parity of Boqvist, Bouchard, Dobson, Hughes, I don't see the incentive there - I think they're far more likely to roll the dice and stay where they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 14 hours ago, DonaldBrashear said: I don't see the Canucks being interested in moving from #7 to #3. It makes very little sense to do that. I think Benning feels confident enough that he can find a good player at #7. Montreal would want way too much. They would want something like a Goldobin or Virtanen + 7th for the 3rd, plus maybe another prospect. That is too much to give up I'd give up Goldobin if Zadina or Svech was on the table. Not Virt though...he's about to break out big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 I have a feeling that the Habs have interest in Kotkaniemi. He is the only real center that could go in the top 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, Gnarcore said: I'd give up Goldobin if Zadina or Svech was on the table. Not Virt though...he's about to break out big time. I think the question you need to ask yourself is would you give up Svech or Zadina for Goldobin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 Just now, theo5789 said: I think the question you need to ask yourself is would you give up Svech or Zadina for Goldobin. You'd have to add more than Goldobin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 Just now, theo5789 said: I think the question you need to ask yourself is would you give up Svech or Zadina for Goldobin. Nope...but I am not Marc Bergevin.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 VAN 3OA Alain MTL Tanev Baertschi Hutton E. KANE - HORVAT - BOESER GOLDOBIN - PETTERSSON - VIRTANEN LEIPSIC - GAUDETTE - LIND ERIKSSON - DOWD - GAGNER JUOLEVI - EDLER GUDBRANSON - STETCHER DEL ZOTTO - POULIOT MARKSTROM DEMKO Vancouver retains the 7th pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 14 minutes ago, Me_ said: VAN 3OA MTL Tanev Baertschi Juolevi Hutton Lind Demko 2nd Vancouver retains the 7th pick FTFY Just think for one moment here if Vancouver had the 3rd OA pick and Montreal was making the offer. Would you do it for your proposal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Baertschi, Hutton, Granlund = Raymond, Ballard, 2nd Apparently this package is much sought after by every team in the league with all the proposals that I've seen them in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Is Bergevin allergic to his job or something? One disaster after another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted April 30, 2018 Author Share Posted April 30, 2018 VAN 3rd Overall MTL 7th Overall Baertschi Hutton Gives them a top 9 LWer who can play up the lineup. As well as a top 6 D who has high top 4 potential if he arrives in shape. Its a pretty steep price to pay but we have depth in the middle 6 left side and on D. Would you do it if they liked it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblix Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 40 minutes ago, Rush17 said: VAN 3rd Overall MTL 7th Overall Baertschi Hutton Gives them a top 9 LWer who can play up the lineup. As well as a top 6 D who has high top 4 potential if he arrives in shape. Its a pretty steep price to pay but we have depth in the middle 6 left side and on D. Would you do it if they liked it? Mtl says no.. 2 guys that have been injured or been in the proverbial dog house all season. Not that appealing to give up a player like Svechnikov or Zadina... Canucks are not good trade partners. We finally have prospects in our systems to be excited about but we are not in the position to sell any. We need to hit on a few like before we can deem that we have an excess to trade those types of pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
komodo0921 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 I am not into giving up pieces. If anything, we need to be trying to acquire more parts in this draft. An example would be approaching the NYI about dropping to one of their two picks and picking up an extra pick. New York would be a great trading partner because they have many needs and are looking for success now. They need a dependable defenseman, a depth center, and an upgrade in net. We just happen to have a player at all three positions, I view as expendable in Tanev, Sutter, and Markstrom. Though I wouldn't deal all three, offering one of them in a deal combined with our pick and dropping down could net a good return. If it's Marky, we could take back Thomas Greiss' contract to sweeten the deal for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Rush17 said: VAN 3rd Overall MTL 7th Overall Baertschi Hutton Gives them a top 9 LWer who can play up the lineup. As well as a top 6 D who has high top 4 potential if he arrives in shape. Its a pretty steep price to pay but we have depth in the middle 6 left side and on D. Would you do it if they liked it? They want a C1 or a left side PMD to play with Weber. This doesn't address their needs. It's not a good use of their cap space or roster spots. They already have too many wingers and Hutton is 4 times more expensive than Reilly and Mete and they also still have Alzner, Benn and Schlemko under contract on the left side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB5 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 I would rather see the Canucks try to get more picks in the draft than to try to move up. GMJB said that picks 2-7 are all a tier above the next group which to me says that he is confident he will get a great player with #7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
250Integra Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 15 hours ago, Me_ said: VAN 3OA Alain MTL Tanev Baertschi Hutton E. KANE - HORVAT - BOESER GOLDOBIN - PETTERSSON - VIRTANEN LEIPSIC - GAUDETTE - LIND ERIKSSON - DOWD - GAGNER JUOLEVI - EDLER GUDBRANSON - STETCHER DEL ZOTTO - POULIOT MARKSTROM DEMKO Vancouver retains the 7th pick lol you're dreaming This is almost as bad as Raymond, Ballard, and a 2nd round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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