Makaramel MacKhiato Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 There's little doubt that Benning has mastered the draft, as we've been able to witness firsthand some unbelievable talents surpassing expectations. Without a doubt it will be Boeser and Pettersson that can protect Benning's draft reputation for a very long time, with other players such as Demko, Virtanen, Gaudette, Lind, and Gadjovich potentially adding to his legacy. One thing that you may have noticed though, is that none of these players are defensemen. Sure, you could argue that Juolevi is young and still has potential to be a top 4 d-man. But I don't think there's any doubt that he hasn't lived up to the expectations that come with being the first defenseman taken in a draft. Especially with Sergachev and McAvoy being taken after him. I'm not bashing Benning, but I wonder if him and our scouting team are able to properly assess defensemen as they are forwards. Since Benning has taken over, we've seen 4 of the forwards he picked play in the NHL (Virtanen, Boeser, Mccann, and Gaudette) and others with big potential. We've only seen 2 defensemen (Tyramkin, Forsling) enter the NHL. Neither of which are on the Canucks current roster, with really only Juolevi being a potential to be a regular in the NHL, while Rathbone may be a long shot. Of our top 10 prospects, Juolevi is our only defenseman (ranked a staggering #8). I bring this up because there's a significant chance that Benning will select a defenseman in the draft and from looking at rankings and mock drafts, it seems that we could potentially pick any one of Boqvist, Bouchard, Hughes, Dobson, or Smith. It's a scary thing to have so many D-men rated so high, especially for a GM. Because if you pick the wrong guy, the results could be catastrophic. No matter which defenseman Benning takes, that D-man will always be compared to the 2-3 other guys taken below him (much like Juolevi is now). So do you think that, given his history, we can trust Benning to make the right pick for a defenseman for our future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Yes. And it's Dobson or Bouchard. If both get taken, then we get Wahlstrom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 I have complete confidence the player JB takes at #7 will end up (like Pettersson last year) the best player in that draft class. It's just going to take 3 or 4 years (like with Jake) for that player to pass the other losers drafted ahead of him. Go Bo Go!!!! Cheer for our team, and crap on the others!!!!! There is only one team that matters, CANUCKS!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Benning will do just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhorvat Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 In Benning we trust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SynysterGates Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 16 minutes ago, Alflives said: I have complete confidence the player JB takes at #7 will end up (like Pettersson last year) the best player in that draft class. It's just going to take 3 or 4 years (like with Jake) for that player to pass the other losers drafted ahead of him. Go Bo Go!!!! Cheer for our team, and crap on the others!!!!! There is only one team that matters, CANUCKS!!!!!! Is that you Apollo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 1 minute ago, SynysterGates said: Is that you Apollo? No, but where has Apollo been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 24 minutes ago, Top Sven Baercheese said: So do you think that, given his history, we can trust Benning to make the right pick for a defenseman for our future? I trust Benning to take the best player available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fateless Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Boqvist > Hughes > Dobson > Bouchard. That's the order I'd take a defenceman in. If Benning wants a forward (which he shouldn't), he should be aiming for Wahlstrom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 27 minutes ago, Top Sven Baercheese said: There's little doubt that Benning has mastered the draft, as we've been able to witness firsthand some unbelievable talents surpassing expectations. Without a doubt it will be Boeser and Pettersson that can protect Benning's draft reputation for a very long time, with other players such as Demko, Virtanen, Gaudette, Lind, and Gadjovich potentially adding to his legacy. One thing that you may have noticed though, is that none of these players are defensemen. Sure, you could argue that Juolevi is young and still has potential to be a top 4 d-man. But I don't think there's any doubt that he hasn't lived up to the expectations that come with being the first defenseman taken in a draft. Especially with Sergachev and McAvoy being taken after him. I'm not bashing Benning, but I wonder if him and our scouting team are able to properly assess defensemen as they are forwards. Since Benning has taken over, we've seen 4 of the forwards he picked play in the NHL (Virtanen, Boeser, Mccann, and Gaudette) and others with big potential. We've only seen 2 defensemen (Tyramkin, Forsling) enter the NHL. Neither of which are on the Canucks current roster, with really only Juolevi being a potential to be a regular in the NHL, while Rathbone may be a long shot. Of our top 10 prospects, Juolevi is our only defenseman (ranked a staggering #8). I bring this up because there's a significant chance that Benning will select a defenseman in the draft and from looking at rankings and mock drafts, it seems that we could potentially pick any one of Boqvist, Bouchard, Hughes, Dobson, or Smith. It's a scary thing to have so many D-men rated so high, especially for a GM. Because if you pick the wrong guy, the results could be catastrophic. No matter which defenseman Benning takes, that D-man will always be compared to the 2-3 other guys taken below him (much like Juolevi is now). So do you think that, given his history, we can trust Benning to make the right pick for a defenseman for our future? I kind of stopped reading after this first sentence. Given that the 5th and 6th overall draft picks of Juolevi didn't make Finland's national team and how Virtanen is still very much a work in progress and considering that many players drafted after both of these guys are already making meaningful contributions to their teams this season and into the playoffs, these guys may well cost Benning his job in a couple of years. So trusting Benning to make the right picks is a bold statement and one I'm not yet ready to hang my hat on given none of these players (except Virtanen) are full time NHL players or have even played an NHL game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Boeser - nailed it Virtanen - not (McCann - not) OJ - maybe EP - &^@#ing nailed it 2018 - ? 2/5 or 40% chance of ‘nailing’ picks so far. As in, nailing, not hoping and waiting. Flip a coin this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: Boeser - nailed it Virtanen - not OJ - maybe EP - &^@#ing nailed it 2018 - ? 2/4 or 50% chance of ‘nailing’ picks so far. Flip a coin this year. you need to toss in McCann too then if you are naming 1st rounders lol so 2/5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 39 minutes ago, thejazz97 said: Yes. And it's Dobson or Bouchard. If both get taken, then we get Wahlstrom. Kotkaniemi is now ranked above Wahlstrom and maybe even Tkachuk. He's the best cman and third best fwd in the draft, if not the second behind Svech. It's him or Bouchard for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nergish Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 The only concern I have with this pick is that we're going to pick a D with a clear proclivity for offense (an area of weakness, sure), where what we truly need is a number 1 D-man who plays... elite defence. That simply may not be available at 7OA, so we have to work with what's on the board. I just don't know how a smallish OFD helps this team dramatically. We traded away Jordan Subban because he couldn't play defence! I still have a ton of faith in Olli Juolevi as well. For somebody projected to be a safe defensive player, I see his strength truly being his passing ability/vision which will allow him to set up Brock and Elias quite regularly. He's smart and subtle, but without other skilled guys he'll go almost completely unnoticed. Fortunately, we have some of those for him to dish the puck to... So sure, we probably want another guy to line up with Olli on the powerplay with a bomb (OJ has a decent wrister from the point, I just don't think it's enough)... I could see Boqvist being that guy, but is he strong enough defensively? I think if it comes down to it, we'll likely end up with Bouchard. Provided he's available. He's sort of the happy medium for all of it. He's got size, he's got some puck skills and can bring offense, and he's decent enough defensively. Dobson would be a solid option too, maybe a bit more defensively responsible. I don't think we're getting a gamechanger at 7th OA, but potentially a final piece to our powerplay puzzle. Boeser - Horvat - Pettersson Juolevi - Bouchard could be hell for opposing teams... If it's BPA, it's still pretty hard to discount Wahlstrom... I'd hate to be the team to pass on that guy. But with Boeser and Pettersson both playing RW (and the hope that Virtanen has turned a corner) you gotta think it's a Dman we take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 1 minute ago, wai_lai416 said: you need to toss in McCann too then if you are naming 1st rounders lol so 2/5 Done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richado Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 I hope Benning doesn't nail his draft picks or we're one #metoo away from losing him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 JB's done alright with drafting D, although, it hasn't worked out great (yet). Tryamkin Brisebois Juolevi Rathbone Brassard Tryamkin is a beast, and hopefully he comes back. I guess he has up to 3-4 years to decide? Juolevi, Brisebois and Rathbone stand a good chance of making the NHL. Yes, Juolevi was Benning's BPA at #5 in 2016, but Juolevi hasn't played an NHL game yet, so the jury is out on him. He may take a bit longer to get to the show, but he could be outstanding in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 18 minutes ago, stawns said: Kotkaniemi is now ranked above Wahlstrom and maybe even Tkachuk. He's the best cman and third best fwd in the draft, if not the second behind Svech. It's him or Bouchard for me Ranked by who? The highest I see him ranked in around #10 (MacKenzie). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positive Canuck Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 i can see us going all in for Eric Karlsson. Draft Wahlstrom PP Boeser-Peterssen-Wahlstrom Horvat - Karlsson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 I've no doubt in my mind that Benning will nail the pick. What I don't know is WHO he'll pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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