Shooting at Santa Fe, Texas, high school. 10 reported dead.

[Warhippy]

23 hours ago, Grapefruits said:

LOL! So no we are up to 22.  Man the media really is doing a great job sensationalizing these "school" shootings.

 

May 11: Palmdale, California

A 14-year-old boy went to Highland High, his former school, and began shooting a semiautomatic rifle shortly before classes were scheduled to begin, officials said. A 15-year-old boy was struck in the shoulder.

April 20: Ocala, Florida

A 17-year-old student at Forest High School was shot in the ankle shortly before students were to walk out as part of a national protest against gun violence.. The suspect was a 19-year-old former student.

April 12: Raytown, Missouri

A man was shot in the stomach in the parking lot of Raytown South Middle School during a track meet.

April 9: Gloversville, New York

A student shot another student with a BB gun in Gloversville Middle School.

March 20: Lexington Park, Maryland

An armed student shot two others at Great Mills High School before a school resource officer fired a round at the shooter. The shooter was killed. One of the students, 16-year-old girl Jaelynn Willey, was taken off life support two days later.

March 13: Seaside, California

A teacher accidentally discharged a gun during a public safety class at Seaside High School, injuring a student.

March 8: Mobile, Alabama

One person was hospitalized after a shooting at an apartment building on the campus of the University of South Alabama.

March 7: Birmingham, Alabama

One student was killed and another critically wounded after an accidental shooting during dismissal time at Huffman High School. Police wouldn't elaborate further.

March 7: Jackson, Mississippi

A student was shot inside a dormitory at Jackson State University. His injuries were not life-threatening.

March 2: Mount Pleasant, Michigan

Two people were shot to death at a dormitory on the campus of Central Michigan University. The victims were not students and police think the incident stemmed from a domestic situation.

February 27: Norfolk, Virginia

A student at Norfolk State University was shot from an adjacent dorm room while he was doing homework. He was not seriously injured.

February 27: Itta Bena, Mississippi

A person was shot in a rec center at Mississippi Valley State University. Police said the person was not a student and the injury was not life-threatening.

February 24: Savannah, Georgia

A person was shot on the campus of Savannah State University and taken to a nearby hospital where he later died. Neither the victim nor the shooter were university students, the college said.

February 14: Parkland, Florida

A 19-year-old man gunned down students and staff with a rifle at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, slaughtering at least 17 unsuspecting students and adults. The shooter, Nikolas Cruz, had been expelled from the high school over disciplinary problems, officials said.

February 9: Nashville

A high school student was shot five times in the parking lot of Pearl-Cohn High School.

February 5: Oxon Hill, Maryland

A high school student was shot in the parking lot of Oxon Hill High. The victim was treated and later released. Police arrested two teens and said they are acquaintances of the victim.

February 1: Los Angeles

A 15-year-old boy was shot in the head and a 15-year-old girl shot in the wrist at Sal Castro Middle School in Los Angeles, officials said. Two other students were grazed by bullets. A 12-year-old girl was booked for negligent discharge of a firearm in that shooting, which was considered "unintentional," Los Angeles police said.

January 31: Philadelphia

A fight led to a shooting in the parking lot of Lincoln High School, fatally wounding a 32-year-old man.

January 23: Benton, Kentucky

A 15-year-old student shot 16 people -- killing two other 15-year-olds -- at Marshall County High School, authorities said. The student faces two charges of murder and 12 counts of first degree assault.

January 22: Italy, Texas

A 15-year-old student was wounded in a shooting at a high school in Italy, Texas, authorities said. The suspect, also 15, was quickly apprehended.

January 20: Winston Salem, North Carolina

A Winston-Salem State University football player, Najee Ali Baker, was shot to death at a party on the campus of Wake Forest University.

 

 

 

So wait a moment

 

Sensationalizing?

 

You mean reporting on how children are being murdered or wounded in places of learning right?

 

I'm sure that's what you meant.  It would take a real special kinda person to somehow be ok with or downplay the events you yourself just listed.

[RUPERTKBD]

30 minutes ago, tbone909 said:

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/nra-links-school-violence-ritalin-experts-deny-224138205.html

NRA links school violence to Ritalin but experts deny link

 

The National Rifle Association's incoming president has linked school shootings and other violence to using medications such as Ritalin.

Retired Lt. Col. Oliver North told "Fox News Sunday" that perpetrators of school violence "have been drugged in many cases" and "many of these young boys have been on Ritalin since they were in kindergarten." He also blamed a "culture where violence is commonplace," pointing to TV and movies.

North's comments followed the attack Friday at Santa Fe High School outside Houston that left eight students and two teachers dead. Investigators have given no indication that they believe the 17-year-old suspect, Dimitrios Pagourtzis, used Ritalin, which treats attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, or other drugs.

Pagourtzis' attorney, Nicholas Poehl, said Sunday that he was not aware that his client was on any specific medication. He said he was surprised that someone with North's experience with the criminal justice system would "make those kind of generalizations with a case that's less than 48 hours old."

An NRA spokesman, Andrew Arulanandam, confirmed North was speaking on the organization's behalf and said "there are others who share this viewpoint."

George DuPaul, a psychologist at Lehigh University in Pennsylvania whose research has focused on ADHD treatment, said a deeper body of research exists on the effects of Ritalin and similar drugs than of treatments for any other condition in children. He said it doesn't support North's claim.

"There's really no evidence whatsoever that links treatment for ADHD with Ritalin and drugs like that with violence, let alone gun violence," he said.

If anything, DuPaul said, children tend to be less aggressive.

"Certainly, there is some concern in the scientific and clinical community about the potential overreliance on these drugs," he said, "but it's a real stretch to go from that concern to connecting these kinds of drugs to these kinds of acts."

The FDA's medication guide on Ritalin says to watch for "new or worse aggressive behavior or hostility."

DuPaul said the warning may be a case of being "overly inclusive" of possible side effects or a hint to underlying issues in patients.

"What's more likely is that kids with mental health conditions who engage in this type of violent behavior, it's the underlying condition and not the treatment that leads to this behavior," he said.

Gotta give Ollie some credit here...Ritalin is a new one...

 

...must have been tired of going to the "Video games", "Rock music" playbook....

[SabreFan1]

Looks like the cops themselves may have killed some of the people in that school.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/some-santa-fe-shooting-victims-may-have-been-caught-crossfire-n876171

[Ryan Strome]

7 minutes ago, SabreFan1 said:

Looks like the cops themselves may have killed some of the people in that school.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/some-santa-fe-shooting-victims-may-have-been-caught-crossfire-n876171

Omg only in America.

[SabreFan1]

20 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Omg only in America.

Cross-fire deaths happen other places, but if they ever actually arm teachers, "only in America" would be a pretty apt observation.  Trained cops killed people in a cross fire, one can only imagine what would happen if lesser trained teachers were the ones in a gunfight with the guy.

[Ryan Strome]

10 minutes ago, SabreFan1 said:

Cross-fire deaths happen other places, but if they ever actually arm teachers, "only in America" would be a pretty apt observation.  Trained cops killed people in a cross fire, one can only imagine what would happen if lesser trained teachers were the ones in a gunfight with the guy.

Well I mean the whole scenario is only in America. I do agree with you about arming teachers though.

[kingofsurrey]

45 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Well I mean the whole scenario is only in America. I do agree with you about arming teachers though.

Arming teachers is a great idea. 

 

What about arming each and every student in the school.  1000 guns in the highschool would surely create real safety.....

[Ryan Strome]

8 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

Arming teachers is a great idea. 

 

What about arming each and every student in the school.  1000 guns in the highschool would surely create real safety.....

It's pretty sad that arming teachers or armed guards is even a discussion. The United States needs to figure out why they have so many nut jobs that want to hurt kids.

[Tortorella's Rant]

"mental health"

Cute buzz words. Meaningless. Right up there with "freedom", and "your vote matters." you can't even get republicans to fund education, never mind fund mental health to keep kids going to get an education and to keep them from blowing away educators and other students. 

[Warhippy]

Just wanted to bring this back a moment.

 

Today saw another school shooting.  Guessing a lot of people didn't die though some ONE person at least will simply say it is "sensationalized"

 

Another day another school shooting in America.  Must be all the rittlin addled video game playing kids with poor diets or something

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/indiana-noblesville-west-middle-school-shooting-1.4677702

 

Two people were transported to hospital Friday after being shot at a middle school in Indiana, and police have arrested a suspect, a sheriff's office spokesperson said.

The shooting was at Noblesville West Middle School, 32 kilometres northeast of Indianapolis. The school has about 1,300 students from Grades 6 to 8.

Bryant Orem of the Hamilton County Sheriff's Office said the victims were taken to Methodist Hospital in Indianapolis and their families have been notified. He said no other information is available about the victims.

Local TV station WTTV reported that an adult and a teenager were injured.

Orem said the suspect is believed to have acted alone and was taken into custody. No additional information about the suspect was made public.

• Gun rights not at risk in wake of school shooting, Texas governor says

 

Helicopter footage showed students being led from the school to buses north of Indianapolis. Orem said they were being taken to Noblesville High School's gym, where their families can pick them up.

The attack came exactly a week after a 17-year-old high school student in Santa Fe, Texas, near Houston, shot eight classmates and two teachers to death, the latest in a string of deadly shootings at schools in the United States. 

[nuckin_futz]

On 5/21/2018 at 8:50 PM, SabreFan1 said:

Cross-fire deaths happen other places, but if they ever actually arm teachers, "only in America" would be a pretty apt observation.  Trained cops killed people in a cross fire, one can only imagine what would happen if lesser trained teachers were the ones in a gunfight with the guy.

The vast majority of these shooters expect/want to be killed by the police. That's why they never have an escape route planned out. If they did expect to escape they'd be wearing a mask to shield their identity.

 

They want to create as much havoc as possible. Having a 2nd opposing shooting returning fire as students run this way and that, running for their lives is a maniac's wet dream come true.

 

[SabreFan1]

6 hours ago, nuckin_futz said:

The vast majority of these shooters expect/want to be killed by the police. That's why they never have an escape route planned out. If they did expect to escape they'd be wearing a mask to shield their identity.

 

They want to create as much havoc as possible. Having a 2nd opposing shooting returning fire as students run this way and that, running for their lives is a maniac's wet dream come true.

In their warped minds they most likely think that they are going out "in a blaze of glory".  It's pretty messed up.

 

Another school shooting happened in Indiana today.  This time, one of the teachers had a pair of stones though and tackled the student.  He got shot as well as a 13 year old girl.  They're both still alive.  The girl is in critical condition.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/indiana-middle-school-lockdown-after-gunfire-erupts-n877476

 

[Canorth]

15 hours ago, SabreFan1 said:

In their warped minds they most likely think that they are going out "in a blaze of glory".  It's pretty messed up.

 

Another school shooting happened in Indiana today.  This time, one of the teachers had a pair of stones though and tackled the student.  He got shot as well as a 13 year old girl.  They're both still alive.  The girl is in critical condition.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/indiana-middle-school-lockdown-after-gunfire-erupts-n877476

 

Takes more than stones to pull something like that off...more like titanium nuts secured in vibranium laced underwear...

 

Dudes like this, make me feel good about the world. 

 

 

[kingofsurrey]

1 hour ago, Canorth said:

Takes more than stones to pull something like that off...more like titanium nuts secured in vibranium laced underwear...

 

Dudes like this, make me feel good about the world. 

 

 

Teachers are often real  heroes.  Thankless job.   

[RUPERTKBD]

Lost in all the hoopla about the "historic" meeting between Trump and Kim, yest another mass shooting of innocent children in the US:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/gunman-kills-self-4-child-hostages-after-florida-standoff/ar-AAyvWW3?ocid=ARWLCHR

Quote

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — A man who police say shot an officer before barricading himself in a Florida apartment killed the four children he had been holding hostage before killing himself, police said Monday.

 

Orlando police Chief John Mina said at a press conference just before midnight that the suspect, who was identified as 35-year-old Gary Wayne Lindsey Jr., was found dead in a closet when officers entered the apartment nearly 24 hours after the standoff began.

 

Mina said officers tried to offer one of their phones to Lindsey, whose phone had spotty service, and saw that one of the children had been killed. Authorities entered the apartment around 9 p.m. hoping to rescue the others but all were found dead.

 

The children with Lindsey ranged in age from 1 to 11, Mina said. The Orlando Sentinel reports two of them were Lindsey's children and two belonged to his girlfriend, who called police Sunday.

 

Looking forward to the requisite "mental health" comments....

[Lancaster]

25 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Lost in all the hoopla about the "historic" meeting between Trump and Kim, yest another mass shooting of innocent children in the US:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/gunman-kills-self-4-child-hostages-after-florida-standoff/ar-AAyvWW3?ocid=ARWLCHR

Looking forward to the requisite "mental health" comments....

Because firearms was the motivating factor for the killings.....?

 

He killed his two own kids and killed two of his gf's kids..... sounds like a very troubled person.  I don't know the entire details, but it's clear there were relationship problems (obviously), the guy has many brushes with the law and probably been in and out of prison, which probably means his inability to get a job contributes to a probable financial hardship.  

 

If this tragic event didn't involved firearms and he went out with a hammer or knife to massacre his family, I doubt you would care enough to post it.  Or if you did care, you'll be posting about how he should have gotten more help to deal with his stress, his family issues, perhaps a critique on the perpetual prison complex industry creating legions of individuals unable to escape for a better life, etc.  But since there's a gun involved.... you immediately use it as a rallying cry against firearms and all other issues being secondary.  

[RUPERTKBD]

52 minutes ago, Lancaster said:

Because firearms was the motivating factor for the killings.....?

 

He killed his two own kids and killed two of his gf's kids..... sounds like a very troubled person.  I don't know the entire details, but it's clear there were relationship problems (obviously), the guy has many brushes with the law and probably been in and out of prison, which probably means his inability to get a job contributes to a probable financial hardship.  

 

If this tragic event didn't involved firearms and he went out with a hammer or knife to massacre his family, I doubt you would care enough to post it.  Or if you did care, you'll be posting about how he should have gotten more help to deal with his stress, his family issues, perhaps a critique on the perpetual prison complex industry creating legions of individuals unable to escape for a better life, etc.  But since there's a gun involved.... you immediately use it as a rallying cry against firearms and all other issues being secondary.  

If you had listened to me at all in previous discussions on the topic, instead of parroting the hackneyed, "it wasn't the guns' fault", you'd know that one of my suggestions has always been that restrictions need to be placed on individuals with a history of domestic abuse. These are the kind of clowns that make their kids pawns in disputes with their exes and far too often, this is the result.

[Lancaster]

4 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:

If you had listened to me at all in previous discussions on the topic, instead of parroting the hackneyed, "it wasn't the guns' fault", you'd know that one of my suggestions has always been that restrictions need to be placed on individuals with a history of domestic abuse. These are the kind of clowns that make their kids pawns in disputes with their exes and far too often, this is the result.

Maybe if it was a case where an adult with a violent history went out using a gun and killed other adults (and those with an ability to flee), I can see your stance relating to firearms.  But he killed kids.... gun or no gun, those kids don't stand a chance, making the gun completely an irrelevant issue.  If he killed them with a knife, what's your solution to the problem?

 

Since this guy was probably a felon, chances are the gun was acquired illegally since most state laws forbids them.  Thus any rules or regulations related to firearms are undoubtedly affect only those who already are more likely to obey the law... and do nothing to those already doing things outside of the law.  

[RUPERTKBD]

44 minutes ago, Lancaster said:

Maybe if it was a case where an adult with a violent history went out using a gun and killed other adults (and those with an ability to flee), I can see your stance relating to firearms.  But he killed kids.... gun or no gun, those kids don't stand a chance, making the gun completely an irrelevant issue.  If he killed them with a knife, what's your solution to the problem?

 

Since this guy was probably a felon, chances are the gun was acquired illegally since most state laws forbids them.  Thus any rules or regulations related to firearms are undoubtedly affect only those who already are more likely to obey the law... and do nothing to those already doing things outside of the law.  

So your rebuttal is that there is no sense restricting firearm possession for violent felons because A: The probably acquired the gun illegally, and/or B: they just would have found another way to kill someone?

 

This seems to be the "go to" response whenever an argument for firearm restriction arises: "Let's see how we can make the case that this particular incident would have happened anyway"....as if that refutes the point being made. The point being that no restrictions will stop 100% of gun violence, but certainly keeping those with a history of domestic violence, especially those who have past felony convictions from legally possessing firearms, will save lives.....

 

.....maybe even the lives of innocent children. If you can't see the logic in that, I suppose we have nothing further to discuss.

[Lancaster]

1 hour ago, RUPERTKBD said:

So your rebuttal is that there is no sense restricting firearm possession for violent felons because A: The probably acquired the gun illegally, and/or B: they just would have found another way to kill someone?

 

This seems to be the "go to" response whenever an argument for firearm restriction arises: "Let's see how we can make the case that this particular incident would have happened anyway"....as if that refutes the point being made. The point being that no restrictions will stop 100% of gun violence, but certainly keeping those with a history of domestic violence, especially those who have past felony convictions from legally possessing firearms, will save lives.....

 

.....maybe even the lives of innocent children. If you can't see the logic in that, I suppose we have nothing further to discuss.

There are already rules stating that violent offenders can't legally get guns.  

 

The guy killed his kids ranging from 1 year old to 11.... you really think any rules, whether or not related to firearms, would have stopped him?  The guy is messed up, there's no denying that, but to somehow twist this tragic event into a more guns regulation mantra, as it would supposedly somehow prevented this event is flawed, pointless and overall disingenuous.  There are already lots of rules against murdering people.... and more punishment for repeated felons.... that didn't do anything.  

 

You know what would have probably save those kids lives?  More access to mental health, more training and opportunity for the guy to get a (better) job to turn his live around, perhaps more affordable day care to free up the parents for school/training/work, perhaps some addiction counselling, relationship counselling, perhaps more affordable homes in a more stable neighbourhood, some spiritual/religious help, etc.  But nope, it's all guns to you.  If you can't see the logic in preventative measures and fixing societal issues, I guess we really have nothing further to discuss.