(Proposals) Transitioning to a New Core

[Noble 6]

To CHI: Hutton + Granlund

To VAN: Anisimov

 

Chicago gains some cap relief and get's out from a somewhat long term contract. Anisimov is still a good player, but he has been passed on the depth chart by Schmaltz, who's now the team's 2C. The Blackhawks can't afford to pay their 3C 4.55 million for the next 3 years. Anisimov's NMC starts next season, so this deal would have to be done before then. In return, they get solid defenseman to help with their struggling defense core and one that they can hopefully develop a bit further. In addition, they also get a cost controlled winger. Hutton and Granlund's cap hits will probably add up to slightly less than Anisimov's, which really helps a team like Chicago; they fill 2 roster spots instead of 1 with the same amount of money. 

 

Vancouver gets a solid middle-6 center who can play in all situations. Anisimov would be an ideal fit with our current center core and fill the hole created by Henrik's retirement. A center core of Horvat - Anisimov - Sutter - Gaudette gives us 4 players that can be relied upon in all situations and allows Green to play the fast paced game we saw in the first quarter/third of the year. All four lines would see similar ice time and we could transition to a speed based game. He wouldn't need to worry about "sheltering" the Sedins and it gives him much more flexibilty. Anisimov is also a perfect player to pair Pettersson with in our top-6 next year if he doesn't play with Horvat. 

 

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To PHI: Tanev + Leipsic

To VAN: Lehtera + 1st Round Pick 2018 (STL: 14th overall) + 2nd Round Pick 2019

 

Philadelphia fills an organizational need for them on RD. They have a lot of young players/prospects on defense, but not many on the right side. MacDonald and Gudas aren't good enough vets to insulate their new guys and got exposed in the Playoffs this year. Tanev allows them to either bring out the full two-way potential in Provorov or stabilize Ghostisbehere. They can even choose to use him to insulate a young guy like Hagg or Morin if they are still somehow content with the two RD above him. The Flyers have been building up a really good prospect pool over the last little while and they can afford to move these two picks, especially since they still have a 1st this year. 

 

The Canucks add a top-15 pick for this year in a deep draft. From there, the Canucks could add someone like Smith, Velano, Kaut, Lundestrom, Farabee, etc. to whoever we take at 7th (likely a defenseman). The Canucks have done well at drafting since Benning has arrived, but they have not done as good a job collecting picks. This gives Benning and co. an opportunity to fast track the process a little bit. A second rounder in a very good draft next year (which will be hosted in Vancouver) is also a nice piece. 

 

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To WPG: Del Zotto (1 million retained) + 3rd Round Pick 2018

To VAN: Kulikov + 1st Round Pick 2019 (Top-10 Protected)

 

The Jets gain some cap flexibility to re-sign key guys like Trouba, Hellebuyck and Morrissey, some depth guys in Lowry, Armia, Tanev and Poolman as well as potentially someone like Stastny. They had a really good run this year and a lot of people picked them to go far especially after they beat Nashville and a move like this allows them to keep as many people around as long as possible. This is especially important for them next year as they have Laine, Wheeler, Connor and Myers all needing new contracts. They can't afford to pay 4.3 million for a bottom pairing guy considering all the problems they are going to have. 

 

The Canucks use their cap space as an asset here. Kulikov's contract isn't good, but the Canucks can stomach it. We offer up a cheaper bottom pairing replacement and upgrade our 3rd rounder to a 1st rounder. Not much else to explain here.  

 

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To WSH: Gagner

To VAN: Orpik + 3rd Round Pick 2018 + 3rd Round Pick 2019

 

Washington sheds some cap space for this summer in order to keep Carlson. I think Carlson would like to go back and the Caps would like to have him back. They save just over 2 million in cap space this summer which can go towards that. Gagner also fills a need for them as a player who can fill in at center in case of injury. The main appeal for the Caps though is getting that extra bit of room to keep Carlson. 

 

The Canucks use their cap space as an asset again here, this time to collect a couple of mid round picks. Moving Gagner opens a spot for one of our young forwards to make the team, but we are still in a position to send them back if they're not ready. Again, not much else to explain here.

 

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Sign:

Green: 2 years, 5 million per

Reaves: 2 years, 2.5 million per

 

Green gives us a stop gap powerplay defenseman and a roster replacement for Tanev on the right side. He can play all the top offensive minutes and give us a much needed boost in offense from the back end. The contract is short so it doesn't get in the way of future plans and he get's paid pretty good, especially coming off of a neck injury. Reaves is a premier tough guy in this league and would provide protection for the young guys (specifically Pettersson and Boeser). Virtanen can eat up some of his minutes 5 on 5 and a couple of extra shifts for Boeser wouldn't hurt either. He's a great teammate and has been well liked by all of his previous teams. The "safe working environment" that Reaves would bring both on and off the ice would be invaluable for us going forward. 

 

Re-sign: 

 

Baertschi: 2 years, 2.75 million per

Stetcher: 2 years, 2.75 million per

Virtanen: 2 years, 1.75 million per

Pouliot: 1 year, 1 million

Boucher: 1 year, 850,000 

Chaput: 1 year, 800,000

Archibald: 1 year, 750,000

 

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Pettersson - Horvat - Boeser

Baertschi - Anisimov - Goldobin

Eriksson - Sutter - Reaves

Gaunce - Gaudette - Virtanen

Lehtera

 

Edler - Green

Juolevi - Gudbranson

Kulikov - Stetcher

Pouliot, Orpik

 

Markstrom

Nilsson

Cap Space: 2,750,000

 

AHL Forwards: Dahlen, Jasek, Chaput, Boucher, Archibald, Motte

AHL Defensemen: Biega, McEneny, Sautner, Chatfield, Brisebois

 

2018 Draft Picks: 1st (7th OA), 1st (14th OA), 2nd (37th OA), 3rd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th

2019 Draft Picks: 1st, 1st (WPG), 2nd, 2nd (PHI), 3rd, 3rd (WSH), 4thm 5th, 6th, 7th

 

That lineup gives Green a lot of flexibility and freedom. All four centers can be placed in any situation (maybe go a little easy on Gaudette) and all four lines can play a fast, up tempo game. Horvat's line would get primary offensive zone starts, but they wouldn't have to be sheltered as much as the Sedins in that role. We could run Green as our #1 offensive defenseman and Edler as our #1 defensive defenseman, which helps spread the minutes out and keep everyone fresh. Reaves, Gudbranson, Kulikov and Orpik would be the protectors on the ice and oversee everything, providing a safe working environment for guys like Pettersson, Boeser, Juolevi, etc. The lines can be mixed and matched fairly easily with no combination looking completely out of place.

 

I don't expect this lineup to be a whole lot better than this past year, but it puts every single young player insulated and in a position to succeed. Pettersson can be moved up to the top line if he's playing well or moved into the 2RW spot if he's not, which is also a good fit for him. Same deal for Goldobin. Gaudette and Virtanen can play simple, fast games at the bottom of the lineup as they continue to adjust to the NHL. Either one of them can easily be moved up the lineup if they earn it. Juolevi will be behind Edler, who can take all the tough match ups on LD and paired with Gudbranson, who can make sure he's "safe." If he earns it, he can spend some times playing with a guy like Green. The fact that there's a go to plan A and plan B for every young player in the lineup is the greatest strength of that lineup, not necessarily how many wins they can get. 

 

I apologize for the lengthy post, but appreciate your time.

 

Flame on. 

[Rob_Zepp]

[coastal.view]

um

why would the team sign boucher and chaput

for higher dollars then archibald

of those 3, archibald played the most games for the team last season

neither boucher or chaput are likely to play again for the canucks

[Alflives]

Double bonus for effort.

i wonder if the Canuck’s brass sit around dreaming up this stuff too?

 

[luckylager]

Kulikov and a 1st for Del Zotto and a 3rd? Del Zotto...to Winnipeg? 

 

Gagner for two 3rds and Orpik?

 

 

 

[Noble 6]

36 minutes ago, coastal.view said:

um

why would the team sign boucher and chaput

for higher dollars then archibald

of those 3, archibald played the most games for the team last season

neither boucher or chaput are likely to play again for the canucks

 

That's why they're all in Utica. 

 

If my AHL signings are the only thing you have a problem with out of that entire post, then I'd say it's a pretty good post. 

[Noble 6]

16 minutes ago, luckylager said:

Kulikov and a 1st for Del Zotto and a 3rd? Del Zotto...to Winnipeg? 

 

Gagner for two 3rds and Orpik?

 

 

 

 

Both teams would be motivated by the cap and re-signing players more so than equal assets coming back. Winnipeg can't afford to pay a bottom pairing defenseman over 4 million with all their young core players + Wheeler needing new contracts within the next two years. A move like that simply extends their window a little bit more. Washington simply gets to keep Carlson by moving Orpik. I'm not sure you need much more motivation than that.

[luckylager]

1 minute ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

Both teams would be motivated by the cap and re-signing players more so than equal assets coming back. Winnipeg can't afford to pay a bottom pairing defenseman over 4 million with all their young core players + Wheeler needing new contracts within the next two years. A move like that simply extends their window a little bit more. Washington simply gets to keep Carlson by moving Orpik. I'm not sure you need much more motivation than that.

Nope. Your evaluations are based on a false dilemma.

 

After us, each of those teams have 29 other teams to make a deal with.

 

Orpik and two 3rds for Gagner?

Kulikov and a 1st for Del Zotto?

 

Lunacy!

[Rick Blight]

1 hour ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

To CHI: Hutton + Granlund

To VAN: Anisimov

 

Chicago gains some cap relief and get's out from a somewhat long term contract. Anisimov is still a good player, but he has been passed on the depth chart by Schmaltz, who's now the team's 2C. The Blackhawks can't afford to pay their 3C 4.55 million for the next 3 years. Anisimov's NMC starts next season, so this deal would have to be done before then. In return, they get solid defenseman to help with their struggling defense core and one that they were rumored to be interested in earlier this year. In addition, they also get a cost controlled winger. Del Zotto's expiring contract gives them more flexibilty to fill out their roster next year. 

 

Vancouver gets a solid middle-6 center who can play in all situations. Anisimov would be an ideal fit with our current center core and fill the hole created by Henrik's retirement. A center core of Horvat - Anisimov - Sutter - Gaudette gives us 4 players that can be relied upon in all situations and allows Green to play the fast paced game we saw in the first quarter/third of the year. All four lines would see similar ice time and we could transition to a speed based game. He wouldn't need to worry about "sheltering" the Sedins and it gives him much more flexibilty. Anisimov is also a perfect player to pair Pettersson with in our top-6 next year if he doesn't play with Horvat. 

 

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To PHI: Tanev + Leipsic

To VAN: Lehtera + 1st Round Pick 2018 (STL: 14th overall) + 2nd Round Pick 2019

 

Philadelphia fills an organizational need for them on RD. They have a lot of young players/prospects on defense, but not many on the right side. MacDonald and Gudas aren't good enough vets to insulate their new guys and got exposed in the Playoffs this year. Tanev allows them to either bring out the full two-way potential in Provorov or stabilize Ghostisbehere. They can even choose to use him to insulate a young guy like Hagg or Morin if they are still somehow content with the two RD above him. The Flyers have been building up a really good prospect pool over the last little while and they can afford to move these two picks, especially since they still have a 1st this year. 

 

The Canucks add a top-15 pick for this year in a deep draft. From there, the Canucks could add someone like Smith, Velano, Kaut, Lundestrom, Farabee, etc. to whoever we take at 7th (likely a defenseman). The Canucks have done well at drafting since Benning has arrived, but they have not done as good a job collecting picks. This gives Benning and co. an opportunity to fast track the process a little bit. A second rounder in a very good draft next year (which will be hosted in Vancouver) is also a nice piece. 

 

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To WPG: Del Zotto (1 million retained) + 3rd Round Pick 2018

To VAN: Kulikov + 1st Round Pick 2019 (Top-10 Protected)

 

The Jets gain some cap flexibility to re-sign key guys like Trouba, Hellebuyck and Morrissey, some depth guys in Lowry, Armia, Tanev and Poolman as well as potentially someone like Stastny. They had a really good run this year and a lot of people picked them to go far especially after they beat Nashville and a move like this allows them to keep as many people around as long as possible. This is especially important for them next year as they have Laine, Wheeler, Connor and Myers all needing new contracts. They can't afford to pay 4.3 million for a bottom pairing guy considering all the problems they are going to have. 

 

The Canucks use their cap space as an asset here. Kulikov's contract isn't good, but the Canucks can stomach it. We offer up a cheaper bottom pairing replacement and upgrade our 3rd rounder to a 1st rounder. Not much else to explain here.  

 

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To WSH: Gagner

To VAN: Orpik + 3rd Round Pick 2018 + 3rd Round Pick 2019

 

Washington sheds some cap space for this summer in order to keep Carlson. I think Carlson would like to go back and the Caps would like to have him back. They save just over 2 million in cap space this summer which can go towards that. Gagner also fills a need for them as a player who can fill in at center in case of injury. The main appeal for the Caps though is getting that extra bit of room to keep Carlson. 

 

The Canucks use their cap space as an asset again here, this time to collect a couple of mid round picks. Moving Gagner opens a spot for one of our young forwards to make the team, but we are still in a position to send them back if they're not ready. Again, not much else to explain here.

 

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Sign:

Green: 2 years, 5 million per

Reaves: 2 years, 2.5 million per

 

Green gives us a stop gap powerplay defenseman and a roster replacement for Tanev on the right side. He can play all the top offensive minutes and give us a much needed boost in offense from the back end. The contract is short so it doesn't get in the way of future plans and he get's paid pretty good, especially coming off of a neck injury. Reaves is a premier tough guy in this league and would provide protection for the young guys (specifically Pettersson and Boeser). Virtanen can eat up some of his minutes 5 on 5 and a couple of extra shifts for Boeser wouldn't hurt either. He's a great teammate and has been well liked by all of his previous teams. The "safe working environment" that Reaves would bring both on and off the ice would be invaluable for us going forward. 

 

Re-sign: 

 

Baertschi: 2 years, 2.75 million per

Stetcher: 2 years, 2.75 million per

Virtanen: 2 years, 1.75 million per

Pouliot: 1 year, 1 million

Boucher: 1 year, 850,000 

Chaput: 1 year, 800,000

Archibald: 1 year, 750,000

 

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Pettersson - Horvat - Boeser

Baertschi - Anisimov - Goldobin

Eriksson - Sutter - Reaves

Gaunce - Gaudette - Virtanen

Lehtera

 

Edler - Green

Juolevi - Gudbranson

Kulikov - Stetcher

Pouliot, Orpik

 

Markstrom

Nilsson

Cap Space: 2,750,000

 

AHL Forwards: Dahlen, Jasek, Chaput, Boucher, Archibald, Motte

AHL Defensemen: Biega, McEneny, Sautner, Chatfield, Brisebois

 

2018 Draft Picks: 1st (7th OA), 1st (14th OA), 2nd (37th OA), 3rd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th

2019 Draft Picks: 1st, 1st (WPG), 2nd, 2nd (PHI), 3rd, 3rd (WSH), 4thm 5th, 6th, 7th

 

That lineup gives Green a lot of flexibility and freedom. All four centers can be placed in any situation (maybe go a little easy on Gaudette) and all four lines can play a fast, up tempo game. Horvat's line would get primary offensive zone starts, but they wouldn't have to be sheltered as much as the Sedins in that role. We could run Green as our #1 offensive defenseman and Edler as our #1 defensive defenseman, which helps spread the minutes out and keep everyone fresh. Reaves, Gudbranson, Kulikov and Orpik would be the protectors on the ice and oversee everything, providing a safe working environment for guys like Pettersson, Boeser, Juolevi, etc. The lines can be mixed and matched fairly easily with no combination looking completely out of place.

 

I don't expect this lineup to be a whole lot better than this past year, but it puts every single young player insulated and in a position to succeed. Pettersson can be moved up to the top line if he's playing well or moved into the 2RW spot if he's not, which is also a good fit for him. Same deal for Goldobin. Gaudette and Virtanen can play simple, fast games at the bottom of the lineup as they continue to adjust to the NHL. Either one of them can easily be moved up the lineup if they earn it. Juolevi will be behind Edler, who can take all the tough match ups on LD and paired with Gudbranson, who can make sure he's "safe." If he earns it, he can spend some times playing with a guy like Green. The fact that there's a go to plan A and plan B for every young player in the lineup is the greatest strength of that lineup, not necessarily how many wins they can get. 

 

I apologize for the lengthy post, but appreciate your time.

 

Flame on. 

Your Chicago trade says Hutton and Granlund for Anisimov but goes on to talk about Del Zotto (who Chicago were rumored to be interested in).....are you actually proposing Hutton or Del Zotto as you are also proposing to trade Del Zotto to Winnipeg. Hutton's last season would result in him having little to no trade value at $2.8M per year. Granlund is an RFA so I am not sure how that translates to cost controlled. I don't see Chicago getting enough Cap relief to agree to this trade.

 

The Winnipeg for Del Zotto doesn't make sense for Winnipeg IMO. Firstly, I don't think they have any need for Del Zotto. In addition, I don't see why they need Cap relief. They will save $5.75M by not re-signing Enstrom and, with the rising Cap< that should give them ample space to re-sign their RFA's.

 

I don't see Washington giving up two 3rd round picks to save $2.5M in Cap. They could get that relief by simply buying out Orpik.

 

Signing Green and Reaves I don't have a big problem with but remember we will need a lot more Cap space next year to sign Boeser and possibly Demko and Goldobin.

 

Not sure how you calculated the Cap Space of $2.75M for next year but did you consider:

Luongo retained salary of $800K and even the possibility of the re-capture penalty.

Performance bonuses for Boeser, Gaudette and Juolevi (ELC's)?

We have a carryover performance bonus of $853K (Boeser) already negatively impacting our Cap for next year?

[Pete M]

I like the idea of improving our D and keeping the young guns in the line up...see how Dahlen does with Pettersson, if they gel and light it up, then Reaves can be a "black ace" for depth and when the team needs to play heavy.

Pair Edler with Gud and OJ with Green.

 

Like "vancouver island's favourite beer" stated "wat!" on some of the trades...I think they will be hard pressed to get high picks for the guys they are giving up (i.e., Gagner and De Zotto)

[Noble 6]

1 hour ago, luckylager said:

Nope. Your evaluations are based on a false dilemma.

 

After us, each of those teams have 29 other teams to make a deal with.

 

Orpik and two 3rds for Gagner?

Kulikov and a 1st for Del Zotto?

 

Lunacy!

 

You're right, there are 29 other teams they can deal with. But how many other teams would be willing to take on "dead" cap? How many teams have owners that would be willing to do that? How many teams are there like that that don't have internal budgets and can spend to the cap? The only other teams I can think of are the Rangers and maybe the Canadiens. That means the "buyers" (those receiving the bad contracts) have more leverage. We've seen prospects like Teravainen and Crouse get dealt to dump bad contracts, so I don't think it's s stretch, expecially since picks are generally worth less. 

 

I don't think Winnipeg would sweat losing a late 1st if it meant they got to keep one more of Trouba, Hellebuyck, Morrissey, Wheeler, Laine or Connor (not to mention important depth guys like Lowry, Armia, etc.). 

 

In the same way, I don't think Washington would be overly concerned about losing a couple of 3rds to keep Carlson and get a depth scorer. 

 

Cap space is an asset. 

[Noble 6]

57 minutes ago, Rick Blight said:

Your Chicago trade says Hutton and Granlund for Anisimov but goes on to talk about Del Zotto (who Chicago were rumored to be interested in).....are you actually proposing Hutton or Del Zotto as you are also proposing to trade Del Zotto to Winnipeg. Hutton's last season would result in him having little to no trade value at $2.8M per year. Granlund is an RFA so I am not sure how that translates to cost controlled. I don't see Chicago getting enough Cap relief to agree to this trade.

 

The Winnipeg for Del Zotto doesn't make sense for Winnipeg IMO. Firstly, I don't think they have any need for Del Zotto. In addition, I don't see why they need Cap relief. They will save $5.75M by not re-signing Enstrom and, with the rising Cap< that should give them ample space to re-sign their RFA's.

 

I don't see Washington giving up two 3rd round picks to save $2.5M in Cap. They could get that relief by simply buying out Orpik.

 

Signing Green and Reaves I don't have a big problem with but remember we will need a lot more Cap space next year to sign Boeser and possibly Demko and Goldobin.

 

Not sure how you calculated the Cap Space of $2.75M for next year but did you consider:

Luongo retained salary of $800K and even the possibility of the re-capture penalty.

Performance bonuses for Boeser, Gaudette and Juolevi (ELC's)?

We have a carryover performance bonus of $853K (Boeser) already negatively impacting our Cap for next year?

 

You're right, I edited my explanation for the Chicago trade. Thanks for pointing that out. I originally had Del Zotto going to Chicago, but then changed my mind and forgot to edit 

 

Hutton and Granlund's cap hits will likely add up to Anisimov's. This allows Chicago to fill 2 roster spots instead of 1 with the same amount of money. Hutton is on a shorter deal than Anisimov, so they have more cap flexibilty next summer and can decide what they want to do with their controlled asset. Granlund being restricted means he doesn't have a ton of leverage in contract negotiations, so Chicago can sign him to a cheaper deal, which helps with their cap situation. It's also flexibility down the road as both contracts will likely be shorter. 

 

Del Zotto isn't the main component of the Winnipeg trade; he's simply a warm body replacement that provides cap room next year. They can likely survive this year as they have 20 million in cap space to re-sign Trouba (6M-7M), Hellebuyck (4M-5M), Morrissey (~4M) and some depth guys. However, that leaves them close to the cap for next year when Wheeler (6M-7M unless he takes a discount), Laine (6M-7M), Myers (~5M) and Connor (4M-5M). I'm sure any team would rather lose a late 1st rounder than someone like Morrissey or Connor. Even if a 1st rounder is too high, I'm happy with a second rounder (and we downgrade our pick to a 4th or 5th). 

 

I calculated the cap space by simply creating this team on Capfriendly. I'm fairly certain it accounts for all of that (I also have Dorsett on LTIR). 

[mll]

If they are dealing Anisimov, Montreal would be 1st in line.  They desperately need a C and Bergevin was Bowman's AGM.  They've made several deals in the past.  

 

Hutton is 2.8M for 6pts in 61 games and has been scratched multiple times - more likely they give the opportunity to one of their young Ds instead of trading for one.  Bowman was saying they had Ds in their system who could be pushing for spots this coming season.  

Chicago media has been writing that they have plenty of cap space this off-season with Bowman confirming that they have room to make moves this year.  It sounds like they could be quite active in free agency.  

 

Don't see Washington adding Gagner when they already have Backstrom, Kuznetsov and Eller.  They need a replacement for Beagle as C4 if he goes to free agency - that's not Gagner who is signed for 2 seasons and would just use up cap space and a roster spot.  

 

They Flyers apparently want to try and use their two picks to move into the top-10.  Tanev is only signed for 2 seasons and that would be giving up a long term assets (1st round pick) for a stop-gap.  Not really Hextall's approach.  It sounds like they are looking to be active in free agency.  They want to replace some of their depth veteran players - those could be had in trades.  

 

Don't think the Jets are concerned about cap space just yet. Chevaldeyoff signed Kulikov as a free agent last summer and he already knew that Trouba, Laine etc would command substantial raises.  They can always figure out what to do re cap space next off-season.