Tommy Robinson sentenced to 13 months for reporting on Rotherham child grooming scandal.

[CanadianRugby]

On ‎2018‎-‎05‎-‎28 at 9:53 AM, Scottish⑦Canuck said:

I'm outraged over sexual abuse. Nobody is dismissing the demand for action or justice. I just refuse to make it a race or religious issue. 

Idiot.  The fact that a specific race was the target of the attacks makes it a race issue, the fact that the rapists used their religion as a reason/excuse to rape these girls makes it a religious issue.  Not some guy on CDC.  

 

Quote by one of the survivors of Rotherham:

"As a teenager, I was taken to various houses and flats above takeaways in the north of England, to be beaten, tortured and raped over 100 times. I was called a “white slag” and “white c***” as they beat me. They made it clear that because I was a non-Muslim, and not a virgin, and because I didn’t dress “modestly”, that they believed I deserved to be “punished”.

 

"Like terrorists, they firmly believe that the crimes they carry out are justified by their religious beliefs."

 

Quote from Ann Cryer, a British Liberal MP:

"They said the girls were being used for sex by them and handed around – not as prostitutes, but were being handed around the families of these lads."

You don't think it's a cultural difference where passing around 12, 13 year old girls to family members is a common thing? 

 

Cryer is adamant that she can't have been the only politician to have heard such stories. "There must have been councillors and MPs, I think, all over the country who knew what was going on but were terrified. It's a genuine fear, to be terrified of being labelled a racist. No one wants to be called a racist, least of all someone who isn't a racist."

 

"Norfolk had revealed confidential police files suggesting a nationwide pattern of exploitation of girls ages 12 to 16 by “Asian males.”

Norfolk’s articles had demonstrated a pattern of “grooming” and sexually exploiting children—not only in Rotherham but also in cities with large Pakistani communities such as Derby, Oldham, and Rochdale."

But right, this has nothing to do with religion. 

 

"One serious question surrounding the scandal is the extent to which these crimes have a racial or religious motivation or are somehow connected to the remarkably consistent ethnic and cultural background of the perpetrators. Put simply, were these girls targeted because they were white? Because they were infidels? Both? And what, if anything, does it signify that the perpetrators are almost all of Pakistani background?"

 

Nobody is saying muslims or Pakistanis are all rapists, the survivor I quoted herself said she doesn't think there should be a anti-muslim backlash.  At the same time you can't say their culture doesn't have a serious problem with the way it treats women and girls and that it's spilling into British and Swedish society.  If you can't even have an honest conversation about an issue, how can you ever solve it. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/30/rotherham-girls-could-have-been-spared-ann-cryer

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/rotherham-grooming-gang-sexual-abuse-muslim-islamist-racism-white-girls-religious-extremism-a8261831.html

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/britains-heart-of-darkness/

[Warhippy]

10 hours ago, CanadianRugby said:

Idiot.  The racism and the culture of the perpetrators makes this about religion & culture.  Not some guy on CDC.  

 

Quote by one of the survivors of Rotherham:

"As a teenager, I was taken to various houses and flats above takeaways in the north of England, to be beaten, tortured and raped over 100 times. I was called a “white slag” and “white c***” as they beat me. They made it clear that because I was a non-Muslim, and not a virgin, and because I didn’t dress “modestly”, that they believed I deserved to be “punished”.

 

"Like terrorists, they firmly believe that the crimes they carry out are justified by their religious beliefs."

 

Quote from Ann Cryer, a British Liberal MP:

"They said the girls were being used for sex by them and handed around – not as prostitutes, but were being handed around the families of these lads."

You don't think it's a cultural difference where passing around 12, 13 year old girls to family members is a common thing? 

 

Cryer is adamant that she can't have been the only politician to have heard such stories. "There must have been councillors and MPs, I think, all over the country who knew what was going on but were terrified. It's a genuine fear, to be terrified of being labelled a racist. No one wants to be called a racist, least of all someone who isn't a racist."

 

"Norfolk had revealed confidential police files suggesting a nationwide pattern of exploitation of girls ages 12 to 16 by “Asian males.”

Norfolk’s articles had demonstrated a pattern of “grooming” and sexually exploiting children—not only in Rotherham but also in cities with large Pakistani communities such as Derby, Oldham, and Rochdale."

But right, this has nothing to do with religion. 

 

"One serious question surrounding the scandal is the extent to which these crimes have a racial or religious motivation or are somehow connected to the remarkably consistent ethnic and cultural background of the perpetrators. Put simply, were these girls targeted because they were white? Because they were infidels? Both? And what, if anything, does it signify that the perpetrators are almost all of Pakistani background?"

 

Nobody is saying muslims or Pakistanis are all rapists, the survivor I quoted herself said she doesn't think there should be a anti-muslim backlash.  At the same time you can't say their culture doesn't have a serious problem with the way it treats women and girls and that it's spilling into British and Swedish society.  If you can't even have an honest conversation about an issue, how can you ever solve it. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/30/rotherham-girls-could-have-been-spared-ann-cryer

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/rotherham-grooming-gang-sexual-abuse-muslim-islamist-racism-white-girls-religious-extremism-a8261831.html

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/britains-heart-of-darkness/

No....some guy on CDC's statements make it about that, not just the subject matter.

 

When that is your ONLY slant you show you have an agenda and suspect bias

 

See America

 

https://americanspcc.org/child-abuse-statistics/

 

The United States has one of the worst records among industrialized nations – losing on average almost five (5) children every day to c4hild abuse and neglect.^1,2

 

^{Again, having read up on this myself I found that the OPs statements about this guy being "silenced" to be laughable.  There is a mountain of evidence to the contrary stating exactly what he was arrested for.  This Lennon guy (his reals names Lennon by the way) is a piece of crap}

[Toews]

59 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

No....some guy on CDC's statements make it about that, not just the subject matter.

 

When that is your ONLY slant you show you have an agenda and suspect bias

 

See America

 

https://americanspcc.org/child-abuse-statistics/

 

The United States has one of the worst records among industrialized nations – losing on average almost five (5) children every day to c4hild abuse and neglect.^1,2

 

^{Again, having read up on this myself I found that the OPs statements about this guy being "silenced" to be laughable.  There is a mountain of evidence to the contrary stating exactly what he was arrested for.  This Lennon guy (his reals names Lennon by the way) is a piece of crap}

Man pleads no contest to 5-year-old girl's rape, sentenced to 90 days of house arrest

 

Tommy and his alt-right pals don't give a $&!# about the sexual exploitation of children unless the perpetrator(s) are immigrants and of a particular religion..

[Scottish⑦Canuck]

14 hours ago, CanadianRugby said:

Idiot.  The racism and the culture of the perpetrators makes this about religion & culture.  Not some guy on CDC.  

Great start. Thanks.

 

First of all, what happened in Rotherham was deplorable and shook the UK when the news came out. The way it was handled was a mess from top to bottom. But if the authorities were reluctant to investigate based on the race of those in question then that's on them, not the Muslim community. There seems to be a misconception (one that is driven by the likes of Tommy Robinson, Britain First and EDL) that it's acceptable within Muslim or Pakistani culture to rape. That isn't true. It's just as frowned upon within the Islamic community and considered a serious crime even according to Islamic law. I'm aware of Muslims on this very forum that would confirm that. The fact that the perpetrators in Rotherham were Muslim doesn't equate to a rape culture or acceptance, nor should there be a collective religious or racial responsibility.

 

I only ever see a clamour for collective responsibility where Islam is concerned. Yet, as I previously mentioned, we don't hold Catholics responsible for the culture of rape and child abuse that was and still is prevalent within the Catholic church. We don't claim that child abuse is embedded in western culture either, even when extensive paedophile rings are exposed and revealed to be entirely comprised of white men. In the 80s there was a witchhunt against men of Caribbean origin in England after a string of sex crimes, yet today we would never consider labeling the Afro-Caribbean community as rapists or rape apologists. So is it one rule for one demographic and another rule for the others? Rape culture isn't exclusive to any race or religion, although some on this forum would deny it's existence entirely.

 

Sadly collective responsibility and blame is exactly what Tommy Robinson and right wing nationalists thrive on. 

 

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You don't think it's a cultural difference where passing around 12, 13 year old girls to family members is a common thing? 

A little hyperbolic, don't you think?

 

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Nobody is saying muslims or Pakistanis are all rapists, the survivor I quoted herself said she doesn't think there should be a anti-muslim backlash.  At the same time you can't say their culture doesn't have a serious problem with the way it treats women and girls and that it's spilling into British and Swedish society.  If you can't even have an honest conversation about an issue, how can you ever solve it. 

As I said, rape and abuse is not a religious or race issue and should not be treated as such. Britain and Sweden were not utopian safe havens for women prior to the arrival of migrants. An honest discussion does need to be had about misogynism and our attitude to women in general - not just within the Muslim community. I think the Hollywood scandal is stark evidence of that.

 

But does Tommy Robinson really want to promote honest discussion or does he want to promote anti-Muslim sentiment, marginalise communities and further increase the societal divide? Do some research on the guy and that much should be obvious.

[Gurn]

4 hours ago, Toews said:

Man pleads no contest to 5-year-old girl's rape, sentenced to 90 days of house arrest

 

Tommy and his alt-right pals don't give a $&!# about the sexual exploitation of children unless the perpetrator(s) are immigrants and of a particular religion..

just sickening,.

[thedestroyerofworlds]

Something something Bountiful.  

 

But hey,  it's only Muslims that can get away with it because reasons.

 

I hope you can feel the massive amounts of sarcasm in the above.

[VanGnome]

My issue with this whole thing is, why does the cultural identity of the individuals accused of perpetrating a rape gang need to be a topic of focus? How does it define the severity of the alleged crime whether the alleged are Taoist, Muslim, Christian or Jewish? What if it were individuals claiming religious affiliation to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

These were simply bad people who are alleged to have done some horribly depraved, dehumanizing and evil things, and should be reprimanded accordingly. But because they happen to be of Islamic faith, and it just so happens that there is a known history of these things happening from Islamic countries, that correlation now equals causation in that reporting on these specific circumstances is tantamount to hate crimes and racism.

Tommy Robinson is guilty of nothing other than reporting on some disgusting, terrible crimes that some equally disgusting and terribly $&!#ty human beings committed. The left wing identity politic machine (around the world) is so hell bent on warping the reality of the world in which we live, that ANY opposition to their authoritarian, iron fist way of ruling is considered to be of the highest levels of heresy, because of course those who are not members of the establishment could not possibly be expected to know any better.

What this case tells me is simple: those in positions of power care NOTHING for the welfare or wellbeing of the citizens of their countries. That the life, dignity and self respect of an individual means nothing, and is of no consequence. What is important to them is to turn a blind eye to centuries old patterns of behaviour because to not do so would imply cultural insensitivity and upset the migrant voting population (of those who are able to attain citizenship).

I would think that it's actually insulting and denigrating in and of itself to the intelligence of those Muslims who ARE right thinking, and productive and good members of society. Because of this toothless and cowardly malevolence, is the small minority of the bad actors within the Muslim faith allowed to flourish and prosper under the protection of political correctness and defense of group identity, as if there's no concept at all of diversity within a group, and differences of opinion or interpretation within a group.

[CanadianRugby]

On ‎2018‎-‎05‎-‎29 at 7:12 AM, Warhippy said:

No....some guy on CDC's statements make it about that, not just the subject matter.

 

When that is your ONLY slant you show you have an agenda and suspect bias

 

See America

 

https://americanspcc.org/child-abuse-statistics/

 

The United States has one of the worst records among industrialized nations – losing on average almost five (5) children every day to c4hild abuse and neglect.^1,2

 

^{Again, having read up on this myself I found that the OPs statements about this guy being "silenced" to be laughable.  There is a mountain of evidence to the contrary stating exactly what he was arrested for.  This Lennon guy (his reals names Lennon by the way) is a piece of crap}

My only slant?  I quoted the victims, the perpetrators and the police reports.  

 

 

On ‎2018‎-‎05‎-‎29 at 8:16 AM, Toews said:

Man pleads no contest to 5-year-old girl's rape, sentenced to 90 days of house arrest

 

Tommy and his alt-right pals don't give a $&!# about the sexual exploitation of children unless the perpetrator(s) are immigrants and of a particular religion..

 

Yeah Tommy is clown but just one guy, a regular citizen.  You could argue that politicians and the police don't give a S&!% about rape of white children since they covered up or ignored these crimes for 20+ years.  

 

On ‎2018‎-‎05‎-‎29 at 12:12 PM, Scottish⑦Canuck said:

First of all, what happened in Rotherham was deplorable and shook the UK when the news came out. The way it was handled was a mess from top to bottom. But if the authorities were reluctant to investigate based on the race of those in question then that's on them, not the Muslim community. There seems to be a misconception (one that is driven by the likes of Tommy Robinson, Britain First and EDL) that it's acceptable within Muslim or Pakistani culture to rape. That isn't true. 

Agree, refusing to investigate because of race shouldn't just have gotten people fired.  Those politicians & police chiefs should be in jail.  Though, what is and isn't acceptable in muslim culture when it comes to how you deal with women varies country to country.  While the majority would agree that it's wrong to rape, clearly a large enough number think that it's within their rights.  To this day 'punishment' for rape in some cases is having to marry your victim.  Muslims themselves were saying that there were probably a lot of muslim girl victims as well, but they don't come forward because they'd get the blame from their families.  

  

On ‎2018‎-‎05‎-‎29 at 12:12 PM, Scottish⑦Canuck said:

It's just as frowned upon within the Islamic community and considered a serious crime even according to Islamic law. I'm aware of Muslims on this very forum that would confirm that. The fact that the perpetrators in Rotherham were Muslim doesn't equate to a rape culture or acceptance, nor should there be a collective religious or racial responsibility.

Then explain how 2% of the UK population was responsible for 87% of the gang rapes.  Or the quotes from the perpetrators where they said these girls deserved it because they were immoral.  Just because the vast majority of priests aren't rapists, doesn't mean there isn't a problem with it in the catholic church.  The same goes for islam especially when there are still cases where women get stoned for adultery, get forced to marry their rapists, aren't allowed to go outside unescorted.  Thankfully, the people that come to Canada & USA assimilate very well, that's not the case in Europe.  

 

On ‎2018‎-‎05‎-‎29 at 12:12 PM, Scottish⑦Canuck said:

I only ever see a clamour for collective responsibility where Islam is concerned. Yet, as I previously mentioned, we don't hold Catholics responsible for the culture of rape and child abuse that was and still is prevalent within the Catholic church.

I'd say that's because catholics don't use their religion as an excuse for why they were doing it.  Catholics didn't just take over two countries in the middle east and rape a bunch of kids there too and use their religion as a moral excuse.   

 

On ‎2018‎-‎05‎-‎29 at 12:12 PM, Scottish⑦Canuck said:

We don't claim that child abuse is embedded in western culture either, even when extensive paedophile rings are exposed and revealed to be entirely comprised of white men. In the 80s there was a witchhunt against men of Caribbean origin in England after a string of sex crimes, yet today we would never consider labeling the Afro-Caribbean community as rapists or rape apologists. So is it one rule for one demographic and another rule for the others? Rape culture isn't exclusive to any race or religion, although some on this forum would deny it's existence entirely.

I think it's pretty well documented that white men are the most common paedophiles in 'white' countries.  Even in England, the vast majority of 'regular' abuse of kids is by white men.  What's also true is that when it came to child grooming, men from Pakistan & Bangladesh were almost exclusively responsible and used their religion to justify their actions.  What's also true is that Imams from these communities (ie. leaders of the community) refused to condemn rape.  Victims were targeted by race and race had everything to do with why this went on for so long with nothing done to stop it.  

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, CanadianRugby said:

I'd say that's because catholics don't use their religion as an excuse for why they were doing it.  Catholics didn't just take over two countries in the middle east and rape a bunch of kids there too and use their religion as a moral excuse.   

Hmmm

 

I dunno.  The school my dad was forced in to.  The school that beat him and hundreds of other native kids.  The school the sexually abused him and thousands of other native kids with the blessing of the crown and under the watch of the Catholic church says you dont know sh*t with this statement 

 

The last school closed 8 months after i was born.  The last known child died in their care 11 months before i was born.

 

I would back the hell up with that "idiot"statement rifht frigging quick man if you are going to make statements like this.

 

We first nations members.  The over 4 dozen countries between south America and africa that suffered under the church in the name of their god realllllly want you to think about that statement

 

Long and hard

[CanadianRugby]

3 hours ago, Warhippy said:

Hmmm

 

I dunno.  The school my dad was forced in to.  The school that beat him and hundreds of other native kids.  The school the sexually abused him and thousands of other native kids with the blessing of the crown and under the watch of the Catholic church says you dont know sh*t with this statement 

 

The last school closed 8 months after i was born.  The last known child died in their care 11 months before i was born.

 

I would back the hell up with that "idiot"statement rifht frigging quick man if you are going to make statements like this.

 

We first nations members.  The over 4 dozen countries between south America and africa that suffered under the church in the name of their god realllllly want you to think about that statement

 

Long and hard

The catholic church is responsible for wars, crusades, the inquisition and countless other things.  I would never defend the catholic church, I left that religion for a reason.   Both islam & Christianity have an aaaawful record for wiping out people that aren't like them.  

 

Though we were talking about what's going on right now in England, not what happened 50 or 500 years ago.  

[Russ]

On 29/05/2018 at 8:16 AM, Toews said:

Man pleads no contest to 5-year-old girl's rape, sentenced to 90 days of house arrest

 

Tommy and his alt-right pals don't give a $&!# about the sexual exploitation of children unless the perpetrator(s) are immigrants and of a particular religion..

This guy should be thrown in prison until the day he dies.  That little girl is going to be so screwed up for the rest of her life, I hope councelling can eventually help her but theres a good chance that she will be scarred for life now. 

[Warhippy]

6 hours ago, CanadianRugby said:

The catholic church is responsible for wars, crusades, the inquisition and countless other things.  I would never defend the catholic church, I left that religion for a reason.   Both islam & Christianity have an aaaawful record for wiping out people that aren't like them.  

 

Though we were talking about what's going on right now in England, not what happened 50 or 500 years ago.  

This was 38 years ago 

 

But hey you made the statement that  are now backtracking on.  Just change The goalposts.  Im sure that justifies your hypocrisy

[JM_]

3 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

This was 38 years ago 

 

But hey you made the statement that  are now backtracking on.  Just change The goalposts.  Im sure that justifies your hypocrisy

...don't forget manufactured outrage (thats the secret vote getter). 

[Warhippy]

1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

...don't forget manufactured outrage (thats the secret vote getter). 

Its all ok.  The catholics didnt use their religion as an excuse....except they did.

 

Catholics didnt take over countries.  Except they did.

 

Catholics didnt rape a bunch of kids.  Except....

 

But lets just pretend its somehow different than what was originally said because it makes that argument look stupid

[Russ]

6 hours ago, CanadianRugby said:

The catholic church is responsible for wars, crusades, the inquisition and countless other things.  I would never defend the catholic church, I left that religion for a reason.   Both islam & Christianity have an aaaawful record for wiping out people that aren't like them.  

 

Though we were talking about what's going on right now in England, not what happened 50 or 500 years ago.  

The movie Spotlight shone a light on how rampant the Catholic church was at molesting children up to even the early 2000s, it was awful.  Single priests were molesting up to 80 kids at a time and it was all swept under the rug by the church and lawyers. It was awful and that was even up until recent and those people should be in prison for the rest of their lives. 

10 hours ago, Warhippy said:

Hmmm

 

I dunno.  The school my dad was forced in to.  The school that beat him and hundreds of other native kids.  The school the sexually abused him and thousands of other native kids with the blessing of the crown and under the watch of the Catholic church says you dont know sh*t with this statement 

 

The last school closed 8 months after i was born.  The last known child died in their care 11 months before i was born.

 

I would back the hell up with that "idiot"statement rifht frigging quick man if you are going to make statements like this.

 

We first nations members.  The over 4 dozen countries between south America and africa that suffered under the church in the name of their god realllllly want you to think about that statement

 

Long and hard

It was awful, one of the last schools were close to my place growing up.  The fact that people had their kids stripped from them and were under the watch of the church was ridiculous.  The sooner those schools closed the better. It was an awful time for First Nations and with what we know today, it damn well better make people think twice about harming children and families like they had.

[JM_]

2 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Its all ok.  The catholics didnt use their religion as an excuse....except they did.

 

Catholics didnt take over countries.  Except they did.

 

Catholics didnt rape a bunch of kids.  Except....

 

But lets just pretend its somehow different than what was originally said because it makes that argument look stupid

yah.... facts. Pesky things. 

 

All the faux right wing outrage cracks me up. The title of the thread should be "Tommy Robinson sentenced to 13 months for reporting something a judge told him not to". The guy is a race baiting idiot who deserves to be in jail. 

 

 

[CanadianRugby]

16 hours ago, Warhippy said:

This was 38 years ago 

 

But hey you made the statement that  are now backtracking on.  Just change The goalposts.  Im sure that justifies your hypocrisy

Not backtracking on anything, my statement sits there unedited.  You simply used my statement which was about one issue and applied it to a different one.  It's all good.  

 

16 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

...don't forget manufactured outrage (thats the secret vote getter). 

If you need to manufacture outrage about kids getting raped you got problems Jimmy. 

[CanadianRugby]

16 hours ago, Russ said:

The movie Spotlight shone a light on how rampant the Catholic church was at molesting children up to even the early 2000s, it was awful.  Single priests were molesting up to 80 kids at a time and it was all swept under the rug by the church and lawyers. It was awful and that was even up until recent and those people should be in prison for the rest of their lives. 

Haven't seen the movie but you don't need to tell me about the Catholic church, I grew up in a religious family and am an atheist for a reason.  

[Toews]

5 hours ago, CanadianRugby said:

Not backtracking on anything, my statement sits there unedited.  You simply used my statement which was about one issue and applied it to a different one.  It's all good.  

 

If you need to manufacture outrage about kids getting raped you got problems Jimmy. 

I believe Jimmy is talking about selective outrage and the opportunistic motives of people like Tommy Robinson, who want to exploit the grief and suffering of others to further their twisted political aims.

[JM_]

7 hours ago, CanadianRugby said:

Not backtracking on anything, my statement sits there unedited.  You simply used my statement which was about one issue and applied it to a different one.  It's all good.  

 

If you need to manufacture outrage about kids getting raped you got problems Jimmy. 

did someone order a plate of red herring?