Guest Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Tylez said: And I was asked to pay Shayne (2.8 fpts per game) Gostisbehere over what Tkachuk was signed for, once upon a time Comparison used there was Parayko. Whom a rival GM Offer sheeted at the time in hopes the team who owned him wouldn’t be able to afford the contract. Granted Shayne is a great player having an off year this season. But if I had gone ahead and done that and then seen that contract I would have been utterly choked It's almost as if the Commish team looks after the players' interests rather than the teams' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sestito'sHandMadeVodka Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 It's hard. Cause in real life, star players have a much larger impact on the game. McDavid is underpaid IRL at 12.5. In this format? The difference between him and a guy like tkachuk is the maybe the same as the upgrade from a bad to an average defender. And if the oilers suck, his value is in the gutter-its less, in a given season, than a guy like tkachuk on a playoff team. This means that we should have a system where star players receive less than IRL, as they aren't worth it, but middle lineup guys should be paid MORE than they are IRL. Guys putting up 4-6fppg should be making more money in puck than they typically sign for. And bottom of the lineup guys putting up 2.5 fppg with a regular lineup spot should be getting 2.5 million (it's a better deal that 6fppg for 8 million!), But it seems so weird to pay clutterbuck 2.5 million that it never gets done. (All players mentioned in this post were done off the top of My head without Fantrax. If they are bad examples, I'm sure I could find better ones) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Sestito'sHandMadeVodka said: ...And bottom of the lineup guys putting up 2.5 fppg with a regular lineup spot should be getting 2.5 million (it's a better deal that 6fppg for 8 million!)... This is a bit of a fallacy. Almost any regular player can get you 2.5 Fpts/game. There is no reason to pay much more than league minimum for sometime like that (save for playoff representation reasons). They are completely replaceable. Finding guys who can get you 4-5 Fpts/game is hard. They should be paid exponentially more than a replacement level player. And 6+? There's only about 1 per team out there, so they should have a definite premium. Tkachuk has had a fantastic run lately, but I don't suspect he'll maintain this sort of production long-term. He'll probably be in the 5-5.5 Fpt/game region. I would have expected his number to still start with an 8 though. I expect it to be near 8 in real life, and he's even more valuable in our scoring format. Also, I just had an RFA who produces a fair bit less than MT, and who is more of a complimentary player, who demanded significantly more than 7 million. So it's hard not to wonder about consistancy. Edited January 14, 2019 by D-Money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 13 hours ago, Art Vandelay said: I am 100% on board with that contract! I’ve briefly discussed with a few GM’s in the past, that I think only the top top guys should be getting $8+m. At some point contracts just don’t have value when you pay them $12.5m to produce marginally more than a guy who commands $7m. 5 hours ago, Sestito'sHandMadeVodka said: It's hard. Cause in real life, star players have a much larger impact on the game. McDavid is underpaid IRL at 12.5. In this format? The difference between him and a guy like tkachuk is the maybe the same as the upgrade from a bad to an average defender. And if the oilers suck, his value is in the gutter-its less, in a given season, than a guy like tkachuk on a playoff team. This means that we should have a system where star players receive less than IRL, as they aren't worth it, but middle lineup guys should be paid MORE than they are IRL. Guys putting up 4-6fppg should be making more money in puck than they typically sign for. And bottom of the lineup guys putting up 2.5 fppg with a regular lineup spot should be getting 2.5 million (it's a better deal that 6fppg for 8 million!), But it seems so weird to pay clutterbuck 2.5 million that it never gets done. (All players mentioned in this post were done off the top of My head without Fantrax. If they are bad examples, I'm sure I could find better ones) I love how the two teams applauding this contract are the ones that have to extend Rantanen and Barzal. Obvious motivation is obvious. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, D-Money said: I love how the two teams applauding this contract are the ones that have to extend Rantanen and Barzal. Obvious motivation is obvious. You got me! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Remember that experience/accomplishments/role on team matters 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sestito'sHandMadeVodka Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 2 hours ago, D-Money said: This is a bit of a fallacy. Almost any regular player can get you 2.5 Fpts/game. There is no reason to pay much more than league minimum for sometime like that (save for playoff representation reasons). They are completely replaceable. Finding guys who can get you 4-5 Fpts/game is hard. They should be paid exponentially more than a replacement level player. And 6+? There's only about 1 per team out there, so they should have a definite premium. Tkachuk has had a fantastic run lately, but I don't suspect he'll maintain this sort of production long-term. He'll probably be in the 5-5.5 Fpt/game region. I would have expected his number to still start with an 8 though. I expect it to be near 8 in real life, and he's even more valuable in our scoring format. Also, I just had an RFA who produces a fair bit less than MT, and who is more of a complimentary player, who demanded significantly more than 7 million. So it's hard not to wonder about consistancy. 2 hours ago, D-Money said: I love how the two teams applauding this contract are the ones that have to extend Rantanen and Barzal. Obvious motivation is obvious. Honestly, wasn;t based on rantanen. Didn;t enter into my mind at all. I guess last year, I see a guy like Marchand,McKinnoin, Getzlaf, all producing almost as much as McDavid. Two years ago, McDavid won the hart, Art Ross, and Lindsey, was far and away the best player in the league....and was 5th in fppg among regular players in puck. Level 1 players cannot distinguish themselves the way they can IRL. This should mean than 1 - the McDavids and Matthews maybe shouldn't get 12 million, maybe they should get....10. But the tier below that should get 9, not 8. I wasn't actually arguing against the tkachuck contract. I think its low. Initially I thought that 7 million for a guy who's probably gonna like as a 5.5 fppg seems like a pretty regular deal! But then I thought - Tkahuck is having a season that puts him 10th in the league last year! In summary: I don't think anybody really deserved 10+ million in this league. I think there should be a lot of players in the 8-10 range though. As for "Almost any regular player can get you 2.5 Fpts/game. There is no reason to pay much more than league minimum for sometime like that (save for playoff representation reasons). They are completely replaceable." - you say that, but every time an undrafted guy comes in, you end up with a bidding war. And yeah, nobody overpays REALLY, but people want them, and people loved hoarding depth. Nobody makes it to FA. so yeah, you;re right, I could buy a 2.5fppg guy on a trash team for cheap, but that's a function of the playoff system. If I rolled up and offered you a 3rd for Barclay Goodrow, do you do it? Barclay goodrow has real, good value for you - he is worth more than 1.3% of the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV. Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Sorenson stays 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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D-Money Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 4 hours ago, Sestito'sHandMadeVodka said: ...If I rolled up and offered you a 3rd for Barclay Goodrow, do you do it? Barclay goodrow has real, good value for you - he is worth more than 1.3% of the cap. I actually didn't pay much more than that for him... On 10/31/2018 at 10:26 AM, thejazz97 said: We have a trade to announce... To LAK: Joni Tuulola + 2019 LAK 5th To CBJ: Barclay Goodrow He has been a pleasant surprise though. But mainly because he happens to play on a cup contender. If he were, let's say, on the Senators/Flyers/etc., I would probably be shopping him for not much more than a 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) Me coming for @Watermelons and @Master Mind like Edited January 15, 2019 by thejazz97 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) Somehow I'm gaining on JE14 when I want to be dropping. Come take Wheeler Hyman Zaitsev Sissons etc edit--waiting for my laundry to finish BOLD on the block Italics playoff player James van Riemsdyk - Sean Monahan - Blake Wheeler Sven Baertschi - Zach Hyman - TJ Oshie Colton Sissons - Adrian Kempe - Blake Coleman Milan Lucic - Jordan Eberle - Tyler Bertuzzi Jordan Greenway - Noel Acciari - Mattias Janmark Josh Leivo - Jakob Forsbacka Karlsson - Zach Aston Reese Sami Vatanen - Derek Forbort Erik Gudbranson - Urho Vaakanainen Nikita Zaitsev - Esa Lindell Philipp Grubauer Jonathan Bernier Jordan Binnington Prospects who've played this year and I'm hopeful for them in the future Alex Formenton -- should be a keeper Timothy Gettinger -- got a taste, maybe next year. Denis Gurianov -- another taste, I like the upside here. Trevor Moore -- tough to get into Toronto's lineup. CJ Smith -- Should play in Buffalo next year. Valentin Zykov -- Waiver whore, not sure about him. Drake Batherson -- Love this guy. Jack Rodewald -- Depth. Trevor Carrick --- 1 game, we'll see... Anton Lindholm -- Played a lot more last year, bad sign? Edited January 15, 2019 by inane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 On 1/12/2019 at 3:47 PM, thejazz97 said: To SJS: Troy Stecher, Kevin Hayes To VGK: Casey Cizikas, Andrew MacDonald, 2019 2nd (ARZ), 2019 2nd (CHI), 2019 4th (SJS) I don't have MacDonald's retention on my page, and still have Pavelski's extension too. Thanking you xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigs Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Been getting some interest in Elias Lindholm. Friendly contract and averaging 6.28 FP/G. Really like him as noted by the fact that I wouldn’t trade him in previous years and he is also Jarnkrok’s cousin. However, if the right deal came along I would consider it. Others I would consider moving: Paquette, Anderson, Stepan (50% Retained), and Lehner. A reminder that I’m unlikely to move my young players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombastik der Teutone Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) Congrats to D Ryan Lindgren for his first call up to the NHL ...now he has to play his 1st NHL Game. The negative about this is that D Freddy Claesson is injured and will miss 2 -3 Weeks. Rasmussen also on IR ... The Habs now have 6 injured Players ....4 of them are Defenders. Ben Street finally landed in the Minors, Steven Kampfer hasent played since 7 Games yet. We have no luck with signings..... Edited January 15, 2019 by Bombastik der Teutone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 6 hours ago, Captain Azzy said: I don't have MacDonald's retention on my page, and still have Pavelski's extension too. Thanking you xx Fixed. For anyone who makes a trade involving a player with prior retention, please make note of it in the trade call going forward. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Florida update to clear contracts Can I kill Joonas Lyytinen, signed in Finland. https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/hockey/news/joonas-lyytinen-signs-overseas/ Tyler Kelleher signed in Germany. https://www.eliteprospects.com/transfer/2018/06/19/tyler-kelleher-in-a-confirmed-transaction-to-erc-ingolstadt/350849 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 14 hours ago, inane said: Florida update to clear contracts Can I kill Joonas Lyytinen, signed in Finland. https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/hockey/news/joonas-lyytinen-signs-overseas/ Tyler Kelleher signed in Germany. https://www.eliteprospects.com/transfer/2018/06/19/tyler-kelleher-in-a-confirmed-transaction-to-erc-ingolstadt/350849 You can't kill them, but their contracts will be removed. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) I guess it’s time to sell. My playoff hopes were doomed at the start! Players on playoff teams: Brayden McNabb Anthony Duclair Joakim Nordstrom Freddie Gauthier Players on Bubble teams: Jujhar Khaira Victor Rask (@Captain Azzy) Ondrej Kase Jake Dotchin Alex Petrovic Will move others if you’re interested enough. Edited January 16, 2019 by Art Vandelay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 24 minutes ago, Art Vandelay said: I guess it’s time to sell. My playoff hopes were doomed at the start! Players on playoff teams: Brayden McNabb Players on Bubble teams: Ondrej Kase 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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