Canuck Surfer Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 On 6/25/2019 at 12:14 AM, D-Money said: Columbus Blue Jackets - Draft Recap Impressive that you accumulated so many picks, while being a contender. The Cutty Sark would have been on fire near you. I like Norlinder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted June 27, 2019 Author Share Posted June 27, 2019 23 minutes ago, inane said: just to you? Feel free to add at least another commissioner! But if it's only to me, that's okay too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Boston draft recap? We traded our first for Joe Pavelski. Not too much more needs to be said. But of course I'm going to! Pavelski & the trade addition of backup Goalie Linus Ullmark (we had 10 backup goalie points last year) should vault us to near 6000 regular season points. A top 5 team, and should finally pass our nemesis Florida for 2knd place in the division. Of course we will have to stay active, he's a great GM and will have plays of his own... Which is the magic formula for getting out of the 1st round. Maybe we can also beat Carolina? But 1st round on, we'll be more focussed on play off players. Much will already hit the fan by then... We had career years from 1C Zibanajed & Draisaitl. Their teams, may, or may not be postured for play off results. Both real life Edmonton, more so NYR and Flyers, all of whom we have strong hands with. NYR and Philly the most improved teams in the NHL pre July 1 IMO. We expect to play those cards at the deadline. Recently, we had a ton of (Five plus) inquiries asking to pay Adam Fox, NYR's first (likely a high lotto pick) and Zib for aging, in some case declining veterans. We'll also play these cards now? Happy to discuss business. But Zibanajed is a 75 point 1C who also hits, blocks shots. Has higher CDCPuck points than some top veterans I was offered. NYR's will be contenders in 2 years. Feel free to inquire but expect to negotiate in good faith please... Feel free to also inquire about top prospects Adam Fox, Juuso Valimaki, Oliver Kylington, Ryan Johnson, solid young players Eriksson Ek. But expect to pay fair quid for a roster player, who has value to make cap work. And we really only want play off players, retention a key factor, in return. We also feel its fair we will get rebound years from Nylander & Robbi Fabbri. Natural progression from players like Henrik Borgstrom, 50 points plus(?), Eriksson Ek will have a bigger role. Valimaki & Adam Fox will make their real debuts. If a lot of cards go well, we could challenge Carolina for first in division? (Prob some work to do, luck to play out...) The draft itself 1st round = traded for Joe Pavelski 2knd round = D Ryan Johnson, and we scored a 1st rounder to boost our pool (trade bait)! 3rd round = John Farinacci & G Hugo Alnefelt. John is a hit or miss guy wi scoring upside, we desperately needed a good G prospect. Both went 3rd round. 4th round = 2knd round selected Simon Lundmark. How did that happen, we ended with a 1st, 2knd, two 3rd round selections without a first? 5th round = Took punt in 2knd year eligible 6'6'' G Erik Portillo. He was snagged 3rd round. So we scored, net a 1st, a 2knd, 3 3rd round assets +Pavelski for our picks. We also snagged Russian factor draft fallers Kiril Slepets & Daniil Gutik. Both high upside players if they ever surface in NA. Slepets went 5th round this year, Gutik passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: Boston draft recap? We traded our first for Joe Pavelski. Not too much more needs to be said. But of course I'm going to! Pavelski & the trade addition of backup Goalie Linus Ullmark (we had 10 backup goalie points last year) should vault us to near 6000 regular season points. A top 5 team, and should finally pass our nemesis Florida for 2knd place in the division. Of course we will have to stay active, he's a great GM and will have plays of his own... Which is the magic formula for getting out of the 1st round. Maybe we can also beat Carolina? But 1st round on, we'll be more focussed on play off players. Much will already hit the fan by then... We had career years from 1C Zibanajed & Draisaitl. Their teams, may, or may not be postured for play off results. Both real life Edmonton, more so NYR and Flyers, all of whom we have strong hands with. NYR and Philly the most improved teams in the NHL pre July 1 IMO. We expect to play those cards at the deadline. Recently, we had a ton of (Five plus) inquiries asking to pay Adam Fox, NYR's first (likely a high lotto pick) and Zib for aging, in some case declining veterans. We'll also play these cards now? Happy to discuss business. But Zibanajed is a 75 point 1C who also hits, blocks shots. Has higher CDCPuck points than some top veterans I was offered. NYR's will be contenders in 2 years. Feel free to inquire but expect to negotiate in good faith please... Feel free to also inquire about top prospects Adam Fox, Juuso Valimaki, Oliver Kylington, Ryan Johnson, solid young players Eriksson Ek. But expect to pay fair quid for a roster player, who has value to make cap work. And we really only want play off players, retention a key factor, in return. We also feel its fair we will get rebound years from Nylander & Robbi Fabbri. Natural progression from players like Henrik Borgstrom, 50 points plus(?), Eriksson Ek will have a bigger role. Valimaki & Adam Fox will make their real debuts. If a lot of cards go well, we could challenge Carolina for first in division? (Prob some work to do, luck to play out...) The draft itself 1st round = traded for Joe Pavelski 2knd round = D Ryan Johnson, and we scored a 1st rounder to boost our pool (trade bait)! 3rd round = John Farinacci & G Hugo Alnefelt. John is a hit or miss guy wi scoring upside, we desperately needed a good G prospect. Both went 3rd round. 4th round = 2knd round selected Simon Lundmark. How did that happen, we ended with a 1st, 2knd, two 3rd round selections without a first? 5th round = Took punt in 2knd year eligible 6'6'' G Erik Portillo. He was snagged 3rd round. So we scored, net a 1st, a 2knd, 3 3rd round assets +Pavelski for our picks. We also snagged Russian factor draft fallers Kiril Slepets & Daniil Gutik. Both high upside players if they ever surface in NA. Slepets went 5th round this year, Gutik passed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: should vault us to near 6000 regular season points. A top 5 team, and should finally pass our nemesis Florida for 2knd place in the division. Of course we will have to stay active, he's a great GM and will have plays of his own... My play was to leave the division! And probably the best possible addition any Atlantic team could have had! #CuporBust edit: me leaving is the best possible addition for all the other teams... had to clarify. Edited June 27, 2019 by Art Vandelay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Art Vandelay said: My play was to leave the division! And probably the best possible addition any Atlantic team could have had! #CuporBust Actually, we were a bit sorry to see u go... Too easy for other divisions! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: Actually, we were a bit sorry to see u go... Too easy for other divisions! One day I’ll get you to admit you’re happy I left the division! You will realize the unassailableness of my team. It will be glorious. Pretty sure thats not a word, but it felt right. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 3 hours ago, inane said: I looked at Carolina. They could hit 7000 points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted June 27, 2019 Author Share Posted June 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said: I looked at Carolina. They could hit 7000 points? They have a lot of expiring contracts, so as much as I'd like to be able to see a super team continue in this league... I think we'll see some shake-ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 8 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said: Impressive that you accumulated so many picks, while being a contender. The Cutty Sark would have been on fire near you. I like Norlinder. Had to trade out a lot of talent due to the cap: - Phil Kessel - Nick Foligno - Nazem Kadri - Brandon Tanev - David Rittich - Danton Heinen - Michael Frolik I got some a few NHL-ers back (Stastny, Bailey, Korpisalo), some solid prospects (Texier, Volkov, Brickley), and a number of picks. I also traded my 2020 1st plus to get #19 to draft Seider (totally worth it). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sestito'sHandMadeVodka Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 37 minutes ago, D-Money said: I got some a few NHL-ers back (Stastny, Bailey, Korpisalo), some solid prospects (Texier, Volkov, Brickley), and a number of picks. I also traded my 2020 1st plus to get #19 to draft Seider (totally worth it). Saw a thing about how Yzerman just loves to swing in the 1st round. Sometimes it works (vasilevsky) and sometimes it doesn't (Brett Connolly 6th overall, Tony DeAngelo) but he's got guts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 33 minutes ago, Sestito'sHandMadeVodka said: Saw a thing about how Yzerman just loves to swing in the 1st round. Sometimes it works (vasilevsky) and sometimes it doesn't (Brett Connolly 6th overall, Tony DeAngelo) but he's got guts He also seems to like bigger D-men. That Tampa team was loaded with small forwards, but at D they had Hedman (6'6"), Coburn (6'5"), Cernak (6'4"), Sergachev (6'3"), Rutta (6'3"), McDonagh (6'1"), Girardi (6'1"), and Stralman (6'0"). And the last 10 D-men they've drafted -going back to 2015 - have all been 6'1" or taller. Quite a contrast from 5'8" Johnson, 5'9" Gourde, and 5'10" Point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Speaking of trading out talent due to cap, the man that led our Rangers in playoff scoring, Marc-Playoffstud Vlasic, is available for futures. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 7 hours ago, D-Money said: He also seems to like bigger D-men. That Tampa team was loaded with small forwards, but at D they had Hedman (6'6"), Coburn (6'5"), Cernak (6'4"), Sergachev (6'3"), Rutta (6'3"), McDonagh (6'1"), Girardi (6'1"), and Stralman (6'0"). And the last 10 D-men they've drafted -going back to 2015 - have all been 6'1" or taller. Quite a contrast from 5'8" Johnson, 5'9" Gourde, and 5'10" Point. I read an article, prob 2 plus years ago? This strategy of speed and skill up front. While closely related to working with the coaches on a game style? Including a forwards role in the defensive end. Where D hold position, forwards chase pucks. Was anchored in draft strategy. Small forwards, and D who were not the prototypical PMD's, could be had without using premium picks. Many of their forwards, notably point, were bargains. Back in the days of Andrej Sustr. But it has seemed to shift. This D line up all took carefull investment to improve the puck skills from those days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Just wanted to say that the difference in negotiating when I first took over this team and now is hilariously different. I feel absolutely no reason to do a deal unless I’m happy with the value. Probably a large reason, why I’ve made a lot less trades in the last year. Before, I felt almost forced to do bad deals in order to just get picks and prospects. Because other wise you just suck for another year and don’t improve now and in the future... almost a waste of time? Anyways, I voiced this “theory” many times when we discussed minimum amount of roster players to prevent tanking (thus forcing teams to trade for more players). I have without a doubt felt a major difference when having nothing and having something in trade discussions. I don’t know why I’m sharing this, but just felt the difference of how I evaluate trades this off season is just so fricken different, I had to say something. I don’t even have a good team. But it’s finally an actual team. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaku Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 31 minutes ago, Art Vandelay said: Just wanted to say that the difference in negotiating when I first took over this team and now is hilariously different. I feel absolutely no reason to do a deal unless I’m happy with the value. Probably a large reason, why I’ve made a lot less trades in the last year. Before, I felt almost forced to do bad deals in order to just get picks and prospects. Because other wise you just suck for another year and don’t improve now and in the future... almost a waste of time? Anyways, I voiced this “theory” many times when we discussed minimum amount of roster players to prevent tanking (thus forcing teams to trade for more players). I have without a doubt felt a major difference when having nothing and having something in trade discussions. I don’t know why I’m sharing this, but just felt the difference of how I evaluate trades this off season is just so fricken different, I had to say something. I don’t even have a good team. But it’s finally an actual team. It's cool. I once traded Edler, Schneider and a 2nd for Shane Doan. #rekt 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Jaku said: It's cool. I once traded Edler, Schneider and a 2nd for Shane Doan. #rekt Like how? Was this in 2005? I’m pretty sure any time after that year (whenever Edler made the NHL), that would be a gross overpayment. I traded a pick that’s now Jack Hughes for Jost... at the time I thought@Azzy was going for the cup no matter what. He went full Ottawa, and Tanked in a year without a 1st rounder! Edited June 28, 2019 by Art Vandelay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaku Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 22 minutes ago, Art Vandelay said: Like how? Was this in 2005? I’m pretty sure any time after that year (whenever Edler made the NHL), that would be a gross overpayment. I traded a pick that’s now Jack Hughes for Jost... at the time I thought@Azzy was going for the cup no matter what. He went full Ottawa, and Tanked in a year without a 1st rounder! Pretty sure it was 2010. I wanted Doan. I got Doan. But I sold the damn farm to make it happen. Wasn't a highlight in my fantasy GM career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sygvard Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Art Vandelay said: Just wanted to say that the I don’t know why I’m sharing this, but just felt the difference of how I evaluate trades this off season is just so fricken different, I had to say something. I don’t even have a good team. But it’s finally an actual team. 100% agree. I remember being fairly stressed trading when we first got the team. Trying to offload aging assets to strangers for whatever I could before they devalued. It makes a huge difference to feel comfortable saying "No thanks, happy to hold". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted June 28, 2019 Author Share Posted June 28, 2019 4 hours ago, Jaku said: It's cool. I once traded Edler, Schneider and a 2nd for Shane Doan. #rekt That's nothing, going back to 2015, almost any time I make a deal with @pmalina in this league, I lose it - Traded Getzlaf (OG 1st round pick) for Jenner and spare parts - Traded a bunch for Doughty - Traded Doughty back for Brent Burns - Traded Burns back for a package where the main piece coming back was Saarijarvi because I didn't want Burns' cap hit and I was very high on Saarijarvi - Traded Dubois for Kaprizov+ after Dubois' disappointing WJC and mediocre D+1 year I got Larkin from him for a 1st and a 3rd though, so it's not all terrible 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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