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(Proposal) Tanev for Chicago's 8th pick

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Seabrook's deal is worse than Lucic's. Especially since teams can only protect 3 D-men in the next expansion draft. (Unless they use the 8 skaters option...which means you protect 2 less players overall).

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19 minutes ago, D-Money said:

Seabrook's deal is worse than Lucic's. Especially since teams can only protect 3 D-men in the next expansion draft. (Unless they use the 8 skaters option...which means you protect 2 less players overall).

Any player with a NMC needs to waive it to be traded.  A NMC (or NTC) does not necessarily have to travel with the player.  He would obviously know before waiving whether his new team would honour it or not.  

 

From CapFriendly: 

The clause can travel with the player even if he consents to being traded or is claimed on waivers

  • This requires that the acquiring team sign an addendum to the contract ensuring that the clause does in fact travel with the player (written by the player's agent)
  • If the acquiring team refuses to sign the addendum, and the player waives his clause anyway, at that point the clause may be nullified

 

Seabrook has no intention of waiving and Chicago is not even looking to trade him (at least for now).  

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18 hours ago, aGENT said:

The NEXT three years isn't the problem with taking on that contract. It's the three years AFTER that that are the problem. 

I'm guessing the idea is he could be a compliance buyout during the next CBA....as teams seem to be bailed out that way when a new agreement is signed.

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2 minutes ago, canucklehead80 said:

I'm guessing the idea is he could be a compliance buyout during the next CBA....as teams seem to be bailed out that way when a new agreement is signed.

At this point, that would be an assumption though, not a guarantee. That's also an awfully big cheque folks expect Aqualini to simply write as well, if it does become possible.

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On ‎2018‎-‎06‎-‎14 at 5:52 PM, Pete M said:

Edler Gud

Seabrook Stech

OJ Bouchard 

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Hutton Pouliot

Biega

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Christopher Tanev Career Stats
Season Team GP G A P +/- PIM PPG PPP SHG SHP GWG OTG S S% FO%
Career - 390 18 68 86 36 62 2 6 1 4 5 3 280 6.4 --
2010-2011 VAN 29 0 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 15 0 0
2011-2012 VAN 25 0 2 2 10 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 15 0 0
2012-2013 VAN 38 2 5 7 4 10 0 0 0 0 1 1 20 10 0
2013-2014 VAN 64 6 11 17 12 8 0 0 1 1 2 0 65 9.2 0
2014-2015 VAN 70 2 18 20 8 12 0 2 0 0 1 1 53 3.8 0
2015-2016 VAN 69 4 14 18 -8 8 2 3 0 1 0 0 42 9.5 0
2016-2017 VAN 53 2 8 10 3 14 0 0 0 0 1 1 39 5.1 0
2017-2018 VAN 42 2 9 11 7 8 0 0 0 2 0 0 31 6.5 0

Tanev has never played a full season. Do you honestly think Chicago would see that value?

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On 2018-06-14 at 5:58 PM, Rob_Zepp said:

Why not Tanev for 8th and Hossa?

Was just looking at the Hossa situation.

Is he able to be moved while on the IR?

He also has a NMC.

Also, if he's forced to retire: Does it change anything in Chicago's ability to deal his contract, concerning the NMC?

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4 hours ago, Ojibwa72 said:
Christopher Tanev Career Stats
Season Team GP G A P +/- PIM PPG PPP SHG SHP GWG OTG S S% FO%
Career - 390 18 68 86 36 62 2 6 1 4 5 3 280 6.4 --
2010-2011 VAN 29 0 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 15 0 0
2011-2012 VAN 25 0 2 2 10 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 15 0 0
2012-2013 VAN 38 2 5 7 4 10 0 0 0 0 1 1 20 10 0
2013-2014 VAN 64 6 11 17 12 8 0 0 1 1 2 0 65 9.2 0
2014-2015 VAN 70 2 18 20 8 12 0 2 0 0 1 1 53 3.8 0
2015-2016 VAN 69 4 14 18 -8 8 2 3 0 1 0 0 42 9.5 0
2016-2017 VAN 53 2 8 10 3 14 0 0 0 0 1 1 39 5.1 0
2017-2018 VAN 42 2 9 11 7 8 0 0 0 2 0 0 31 6.5 0

Tanev has never played a full season. Do you honestly think Chicago would see that value?

One year while coaching I had several complaints about a defenceman, the general idea was that he was not good enough and should be cut, the discussions became quite intent, so I asked back, why? I knew what they would say, they said he gives up the puck too often and isn't scoring enough. Now the player was a decent passer and he could carry the puck, he was not great at that though.

So I pointed out to them that when he was on the ice in our zone that he always got the puck, a few looked up and again I said when the puck is in our zone, of 10 players on the ice, he was most likely to get the puck, he was a monster, not over big, at getting the puck and it didn't really matter, PP, PK, 5 on 5, he pretty much could get the puck at will, he just didn't have great hockey IQ and that was my job to teach, but you can't teach a break out if you don't have the puck.

 

I state this because Tanev's strengths are not goal scoring, on a more gifted team with more leeway for dmen to get to play on the PP he might get more chances, not with the Sedins.

 

Chicago is a good team to try to target, their window is closing and their need is players, not draft picks and they could use cap space desperately.

Chicago contracts are hampered too much with NMC's for a big cap dump to happen coming this way.

 

Tanev and retain 50% for Rutta and their 1rst or 1rst this year and conditional future considerations draft pick.  

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4 hours ago, Ojibwa72 said:
Christopher Tanev Career Stats
Season Team GP G A P +/- PIM PPG PPP SHG SHP GWG OTG S S% FO%
Career - 390 18 68 86 36 62 2 6 1 4 5 3 280 6.4 --
2010-2011 VAN 29 0 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 15 0 0
2011-2012 VAN 25 0 2 2 10 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 15 0 0
2012-2013 VAN 38 2 5 7 4 10 0 0 0 0 1 1 20 10 0
2013-2014 VAN 64 6 11 17 12 8 0 0 1 1 2 0 65 9.2 0
2014-2015 VAN 70 2 18 20 8 12 0 2 0 0 1 1 53 3.8 0
2015-2016 VAN 69 4 14 18 -8 8 2 3 0 1 0 0 42 9.5 0
2016-2017 VAN 53 2 8 10 3 14 0 0 0 0 1 1 39 5.1 0
2017-2018 VAN 42 2 9 11 7 8 0 0 0 2 0 0 31 6.5 0

Tanev has never played a full season. Do you honestly think Chicago would see that value?

How in the heck does Tanev end up a plus player on a terrible team?  Plus, he plays the hardest matchups, and gets nasty Dzone starts.  He’s actually an amazingly good shutdown Dman.  

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26 minutes ago, komodo0921 said:

Was just looking at the Hossa situation.

Is he able to be moved while on the IR?

He also has a NMC.

Also, if he's forced to retire: Does it change anything in Chicago's ability to deal his contract, concerning the NMC?

NMC can be waived.

Hossa's contract can be traded to a team with cap space.

His doctors have already stated his infection could cause him harm, essentially he is medically unfit, I don't know why his contract isn't just voided, I guess they say the infection is hockey related.  

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19 hours ago, Alflives said:

How in the heck does Tanev end up a plus player on a terrible team?  Plus, he plays the hardest matchups, and gets nasty Dzone starts.  He’s actually an amazingly good shutdown Dman.  

Preventing a goal per game is as important as scoring one, it just isn't very exciting, flashy or noticeable all the time.

 

If there was/is going to be a deal Chicago would want to do it early, Vancouver would want to wait to see who was available at 8. 

 

This is the year for dmen, next year is deep in centers 

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37 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said:

NMC can be waived.

Hossa's contract can be traded to a team with cap space.

His doctors have already stated his infection could cause him harm, essentially he is medically unfit, I don't know why his contract isn't just voided, I guess they say the infection is hockey related.  

This makes Hossa a very compelling situation. 

I'm sure they'd look at shipping out his contract very favorably.

How favorably is the question?

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1 hour ago, komodo0921 said:

This makes Hossa a very compelling situation. 

I'm sure they'd look at shipping out his contract very favorably.

How favorably is the question?

iirc Chicago is at the cap limit then they have no need to trade Hossa, His salary would most likely be paid by an insurance company, so the team saves no money or cap space as the CBA allows the team to use the yearly money owed to Hossa on his replacement/s.

I might be wrong here, it has been about a decade since I was wrong, so I'm overdue. :)

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On 6/16/2018 at 3:06 PM, Alflives said:

How in the heck does Tanev end up a plus player on a terrible team?  Plus, he plays the hardest matchups, and gets nasty Dzone starts.  He’s actually an amazingly good shutdown Dman.  

And I'm not saying he isn't but without being able to do it for a full year that would be an issue to other teams in my mind. If he was healthy all the time no one would be having this discussion at all.

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2 minutes ago, Ojibwa72 said:

And I'm not saying he isn't but without being able to do it for a full year that would be an issue to other teams in my mind. If he was healthy all the time no one would be having this discussion at all.

How many top end shut-down D play all 82 games?  These guys, who play the hardes minutes and play the right way, get injured.  The softies, who think only offence and play the soft and selfish way, don’t get injured.  There is a reason why Tanev is worth A LOT.  

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From the sounds of it though, Chicago would rather keep Seabrook at 18-20 minutes a night, even if he is making way too much money, and I get why. I think they're willing to give Murphy another season, but him, Forsling, Gustafsson, Oesterle, are all inexperienced dmen, and I could see a guy like Tanev being able to pair up with Keith and really change their top 4 dynamic. That'd give them Tanev, Seabrook, Murphy/Rutta down the right side.

 

Chicago's window isn't completely closed yet (depending on Crawford), and they have a new crop of young forwards to support the core, so I think they'd be more willing to make this trade with Hossa attached than Seabrook.

 

It's still too pricey to give up the 8th for Tanev and some cap relief; it might take a prospect like Brisebois, McEneny, Goldobin, Jasek + a 2nd as well. Bowman isn't always perfect, but he's usually very savvy. 

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On ‎6‎/‎14‎/‎2018 at 5:58 PM, Rob_Zepp said:

Why not Tanev for 8th and Hossa?

Is the allergy to the hockey equipment contagious?

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