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23 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Here is one.  You can easily find others::D

https://archive.macleans.ca/article/1958/2/15/how-doug-harvey-loafed-his-way-to-fame

"How Doug Harvey loafed his way to fame

For years fans and critics lambasted this Canadien defenseman for laziness. But, without straining a muscle, he dawdled his way onto six all-star teams and into one of hockey’s top salaries"

 

These exceptionally gifted D men, are often said to be not playing properly, or criticized for other reasons.  It's because they see the game differently.  That's what will make Quinn Hughes the best player chosen in his draft by a lot.  He sees the game on a level others don't.  He's just like Elias that way.  We are very lucky there were six teams who passed over the next Harvey, Orr, Coffey etc.  

You're actually insane and it's impossible to argue with insanity. 

 

You've convinced me Quinn is already the best defenseman since Orr. Thank you! 

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On 1/8/2019 at 1:53 PM, BCNate said:

Why on earth would you write off a 20 YO defenseman who has excelled at every level he has played at?

Because he's not very good and injury prone on top of that. How can you come back from that. It's tough. Worst +- on his team for instance. 

 

On 1/8/2019 at 2:19 PM, Alflives said:

Some said similar things about Harvey, Orr, Coffee, and Howsley.  Uniquely talented players stand out.  Quinn Hughes stands out.  His skating, vision, and processing are so far ahead of others, he looks to be a rover.  Quinn and Petey are going to be a fabulously dynamic duo for us.  

You're repeating what I said. He's probably going to be a bust. Or maybe he will be like Orr or Coffee. Quite a gamble. Hope your right. I'll remind you one way or another.

 

On 1/8/2019 at 2:24 PM, Specz said:

What do you mean when you say you were right about Juolevi? Please explain. You seem to have a strong negative opinion about our defensive prospects, I think we would like to know how you drew your conclusions. What about Quinn's play do you see not translatable to the NHL? If you're talking about 2019 WJC many here will agree that he was not asked to do much more than play a simplified game that focused on zone entries/exits. If you watch him in College hockey he plays a much looser, rover-type style and the points speak for themselves as to how effective he is there. I think essentially we are almost all in agreement (If you actually watch Quinn play) that he can skate at an elite level, think Hockey at an elite level and most importantly, adapt a playstyle that incorporates all of his tools to be as effective as he can at any level, against any competition. That is a sign of maturity to me and a very good indication of a high end talent for many years to come.

I didn't  like the OJ pick because he had no exceptional quality that I would look for at number 5. Bland. Weak. Why pick him. Proven correct. Not the case with Quinn, but man he is small and I would say lacks a certain something, maybe it's composure. I don't like to be mamby pamby, but I do think he has a shot to be a star, I just think he's gonna get knocked around big time so the odds aren't great.

 

On 1/8/2019 at 2:29 PM, Bitter Melon said:

It always amazes me that people still respond so easily to a poster that has a bunch of signs all screaming ‘troll’ right in your face.

i made the account so i could say what I think not so I could figure out what you would like me to post, lol.

 

On 1/8/2019 at 3:57 PM, Rob_Zepp said:

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Yes, yes, have a good laugh Mr "I think Petterson needs another year in the minors". I've been watching. lol

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2 hours ago, Kootenay Gold said:

Just goes to prove there is a sucker born every minute....Oh ... bye the way... I have some fabulous ocean front property for sale in Arizona and it can be your for only $100,000.lol

 

I don't think this guy is trolling here. Guess that makes me a sucker.

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On 1/6/2019 at 8:30 AM, drummerboy said:

5’10” isn’t the issue.   

It is the 150-160 pound defender with major positioning issues I don’t like.  

He is going to struggle at his size regardless, but another 15-20 pounds before he plays will make a world of difference. 

 

Well he's 175 not 150-160 so there's your 15-20 pounds there. He can stand to add muscle that will come, could take a few years to get to where you'd like him but he's too good to hold him out that long. His strength's & weaknesses with his size will always be there, he's gotta learn the league. 

 

On 1/6/2019 at 8:30 AM, drummerboy said:

You obviously need to watch some more games.  Not WJ, but his college games. 

And no not just the highlights.  

Watch a handful of games, then come back to me and tell me how awesome he is and how he will be fine against MUCH tougher competition. Hahaha

 

I've seen as much of Hughes as I can. I haven't been able to catch all his college games but I've watched alot of shift by shifts from college & as much international play as I can. And I went to see him live during the World Junior. He's always been the same player everywhere I've seen him. 

 

On 1/6/2019 at 8:30 AM, drummerboy said:

No one is questioning his talent. 

I think a big part of his problem, is he is so damn talented, his coaches aren’t doing their job. They just let him do what he wants out there. 

He is missing out on major development time when he should be learning systems and positional play. 

 

I partially agree. Yes he tries to do too much, his coach has said that a number of times. I think benching the superstar isn't a great move for the coach either. At this level he's good enough to get away. In the NHL he'll have to adjust & he will. Too smart a player not too. 

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Per Elliotte Friedman's 31 Thoughts:

 

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14. In the days leading up to the gold-medal game, there were rumours flying that Quinn Hughes was ready to leave NCAA Michigan for Vancouver. It never got close to that, but what is clear is the Canucks wished to ask him if he would consider the possibility. They decided not to, choosing to honour an agreement to wait until the end of the Wolverines’ season. But I suspect they really, really wanted to do it.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-connor-mcdavid-elias-pettersson-calder-hart/

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1 hour ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

Clearly Hughes is a great player already, who is far beyond the level of the players at the NCAA level.  I wonder if the thought of getting Hughes now, had anything to do with the coming TDL, and (perhaps?) trading one or two of our current roster D?

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21 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Clearly Hughes is a great player already, who is far beyond the level of the players at the NCAA level.  I wonder if the thought of getting Hughes now, had anything to do with the coming TDL, and (perhaps?) trading one or two of our current roster D?

I think it just would have meant the ability to play a quality prospect over Del Zaster and Pooilot. 

 

It will be interesting to see where Michigan is around the trade deadline... if the look like they aren't going to make their playoffs then I wouldn't be surprised to see Hughes come early.

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13 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said:

Well he's 175 not 150-160 so there's your 15-20 pounds there. He can stand to add muscle that will come, could take a few years to get to where you'd like him but he's too good to hold him out that long. His strength's & weaknesses with his size will always be there, he's gotta learn the league. 

 

I've seen as much of Hughes as I can. I haven't been able to catch all his college games but I've watched alot of shift by shifts from college & as much international play as I can. And I went to see him live during the World Junior. He's always been the same player everywhere I've seen him. 

 

 

I partially agree. Yes he tries to do too much, his coach has said that a number of times. I think benching the superstar isn't a great move for the coach either. At this level he's good enough to get away. In the NHL he'll have to adjust & he will. Too smart a player not too. 

Generally, you have to play like a superstar before you're given that label. But not on CDC apparently. 

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9 minutes ago, MrCanuck94 said:

So what I got from this thread so far is that Hughes is a bust but also the next Bobby Orr :frantic:

He is a stripper in hockey gear. 

Busty Orr

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2 minutes ago, drummerboy said:

He is a stripper in hockey gear. 

Busty Orr

I'd actually pay to see that :lol:

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9 minutes ago, MrCanuck94 said:

So what I got from this thread so far is that Hughes is a bust but also the next Bobby Orr :frantic:

Yeah, sometimes prospects forecasts are a bit like a Vancouver weather forecast: mix of sun and clouds, with a chance of heavy rain, possibly mixed with snow, and a potential for high winds. Huge range of variance and a possibility for just about everything. That said, I still think Hughes will be bringing us many “sunny days” in the future.

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12 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

Yeah, sometimes prospects forecasts are a bit like a Vancouver weather forecast: mix of sun and clouds, with a chance of heavy rain, possibly mixed with snow, and a potential for high winds. Huge range of variance and a possibility for just about everything. That said, I still think Hughes will be bringing us many “sunny days” in the future.

I believe you are right. I think that there will be many sunny warm May and June days when I am torn because the weather is perfect for the beach, but Hughes and the Canucks will still be battling out one of their perennial playoff runs.

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32 minutes ago, aGENT said:

I'd actually pay to see that :lol:

Saw that show at the Drake years ago.  Not worth repeating.  

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I don't see how anyone could take Quinn's WJC as a 'failure'.

He was a breakout machine all tournament long. The puck got out of his zone 9 times out of 10.

He looked poised with the puck and made smart decisions for the most part. A small handful of bad reads, and a lack of overall strength/defensive awareness was at times notable... but he was probably the 2nd best Dman in the tournament. Not sure how that equates to a poor performance.

 

He needs to get stronger. He needs to play hungrier.

But he also needs to play with better players... a lot of his hard, fast breakout passes came in too hot for his teammates who either weren't prepared or didn't have the hands to take them. That would not be an issue with his Nucks teammates.

 

I attended the Semi-final game, which was probably Quinn's worst outing of the tourny. He still had 5+ plays in that game that got me excited about his ability to play on the Vancouver blueline.

He's still one of the best D prospects in the world, but he's not perfect. 
 

 

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3 hours ago, Maketherightmove said:

Generally, you have to play like a superstar before you're given that label. But not on CDC apparently. 

At the college level he's his teams superstar, or atleast star. I hope you comprehended that I was talking about Michigan. Still leading his team in scoring. 

 

On a bigger scale he's tied for the lead in points amongst sophomore defenseman with Makar who's a year older and has played a game more. 

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On 1/8/2019 at 3:40 PM, lesterz said:

 

 

Yes, yes, have a good laugh Mr I think Petterson needs another year in the minors. I've been watching. lol

So the Canucks should demote their top stat guy who’s destroying the league at 20 because you think so? I’ll call Francesco and let him know that he hired the wrong guys to run his team.

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