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Are players with NTCs exempt from the expansion draft and are they excluded from the protection list?

 

If so, then give Pettersson and Boeser NTCs with their next contract. I don't want these guys going anywhere.

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43 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I read here that the rules are different for Hughes' circumstance than those you mentioned though.  All Hughes has to do is sign and play one game with us, and it burns a full year off his ELC, and makes him eligible for the Seattle expansion draft.  

Prospects

All players with fewer than three years of professional experience are automatically exempt from selection. This also includes unsigned draft picks, and signed players that have yet to play a game.

A year of professional experience is 10 professional games played under a NHL contract, including regular season and playoffs. For players who are aged 18 or 19* (on Sept. 15th of a given season), those specifically have to be NHL games. Everybody else it can be any league, as long as it’s under an NHL contract.

*The exception is a “19-year-old” player who turns 20 between September 16th and December 31st, and signed their first contract that same calendar year. For those players all games under an NHL contract count, no matter what league.

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7 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Are players with NTCs exempt from the expansion draft and are they excluded from the protection list?

 

If so, then give Pettersson and Boeser NTCs with their next contract. I don't want these guys going anywhere.

Players with NMC must have protection spots used on them whether you want to protect them or not.

 

 NTC don't affect the expansion draft status

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24 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Prospects

All players with fewer than three years of professional experience are automatically exempt from selection. This also includes unsigned draft picks, and signed players that have yet to play a game.

A year of professional experience is 10 professional games played under a NHL contract, including regular season and playoffs. For players who are aged 18 or 19* (on Sept. 15th of a given season), those specifically have to be NHL games. Everybody else it can be any league, as long as it’s under an NHL contract.

*The exception is a “19-year-old” player who turns 20 between September 16th and December 31st, and signed their first contract that same calendar year. For those players all games under an NHL contract count, no matter what league.

Does that mean if he only plays 9 or the remaining 13 games after joining the team he is ineligible for the expansion draft?

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15 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

Does that mean if he only plays 9 or the remaining 13 games after joining the team he is ineligible for the expansion draft?

That's my question too.  I remember us going through this vary scenario a month ago, and someone posted Hughes (because of his age, and circumstance) only needed to play one game to burn a year, and - therefore - be eligible for the coming expansion draft.  

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On 1/17/2019 at 11:51 AM, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

Biech has said basically the same thing as me, regarding Hughes and expansion, in several previous articles:

 

https://theathletic.com/702802/2018/12/10/projecting-who-the-canucks-will-protect-in-the-seattle-expansion-draft-version-1-0/

 

https://theathletic.com/639815/2018/11/09/taking-measure-of-how-the-canucks-might-approach-the-expansion-draft/

 

https://canucksarmy.com/2018/03/27/gaudette-dahlen-and-the-expansion-draft/

 

Basically, a professional year is 10 or more NHL games when you’re talking about 18 and 19 year olds.

 

But for age 20 and over, a professional year is a single game or more played in a pro league while under contract for that season.

 

Hughes, if signed to a 2018-19 SPC (ELC) in 2019, will be considered “age 20” because he turns 20 in calendar 2019.

 

Age here is determined using rules that are similar to those used to determine slide eligibility. Since Hughes will turn 20 before the end of calendar 2019, he would be deemed “age 20” for any contract signed in 2019. And so he’d be an “age 20 or older player,” when it comes to expansion and professional years, should he sign and play at the end of the 2018-19 season (even though he’d only be 19 years old at the time).

 

Should Hughes appear in a single pro game this seaon, while under contract, then 2018-19 will be considered his first professional year.

 

This is why Biech has Hughes on the protected list for his mock expansion draft. Assuming he signs at the end of this season, and gets a few games played in Vancouver, then he’ll be expansion draft eligible and need to be protected.

 

We know from the last expansion draft when players like Kyle Baun (and age 20 or over player) were eligible for the draft. Baun burned his first professional year from playing only 3 games for Chicago at the end of 2014-15, after leaving college to go pro.

@SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME posted back January that one game by Quinn this season, and that makes him eligible for the Seattle Draft. 

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1 minute ago, Alflives said:

@SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME posted back January that one game by Quinn this season, and that makes him eligible for the Seattle Draft. 

Same rules as vegas alf. Except that he has to eat more cats. Lol

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1 hour ago, Where's Wellwood said:

Players with NMC must have protection spots used on them whether you want to protect them or not.

 

 NTC don't affect the expansion draft status

Oh, well then that's not helpful to the Canucks. I can see Edler pushing hard for a NMC, just so he doesn't get snagged by SEA. C'mon Eddie, it's only a 3 hour drive lol

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1 hour ago, Bure_Pavel said:

Does that mean if he only plays 9 or the remaining 13 games after joining the team he is ineligible for the expansion draft?

Yes as long as he only plays 9 games or less (including playoffs) he is exempt from the expansion draft...

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56 minutes ago, Alflives said:

@SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME posted back January that one game by Quinn this season, and that makes him eligible for the Seattle Draft. 

That is wrong information Alfie, read what I posted in response to you, that is from the NHL expansion draft rules...

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6 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

That is wrong information Alfie, read what I posted in response to you, that is from the NHL expansion draft rules...

Thanks, 10 games does appear to be the rule for a professional season. Sitting Hughes 4 out of 13 shouldn't be hard, as long as Benning doesn't chase an uncatchable playoff spot and screw over the future.

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14 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

That is wrong information Alfie, read what I posted in response to you, that is from the NHL expansion draft rules...

That's good. Thanks for the clarification.  I'm glad Quinn will be exempted from the Seattle draft.  I thought Boeser and Gaudette played less than 10 games, and still got a full year off their ELCs.  Am I confusing burning a year off an ELC with the Expansion rules?

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1 minute ago, Bure_Pavel said:

Thanks, 10 games does appear to be the rule for a professional season. Sitting Hughes 4 out of 13 shouldn't be hard, as long as Benning doesn't chase an uncatchable playoff spot and screw over the future.

Benning doesn't make roster decisions though. If the playoff race comes down to the last couple of games and Hughes is a major player down the stretch drive, would Green keep him out of the lineup?

 

I get the feeling that Green is pretty much an assistant GM at this point and that he is being involved in the roster decisions more than most coaches would be. But is that a decision that needs to be made between the management group? or is Green going to have that call?

 

It's a hypothetical, but it's something that has a small chance of happening.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, canuckledraggin said:

Benning doesn't make roster decisions though. If the playoff race comes down to the last couple of games and Hughes is a major player down the stretch drive, would Green keep him out of the lineup?

 

I get the feeling that Green is pretty much an assistant GM at this point and that he is being involved in the roster decisions more than most coaches would be. But is that a decision that needs to be made between the management group? or is Green going to have that call?

 

It's a hypothetical, but it's something that has a small chance of happening.

 

 

I would hope Green and JB work together, and review players every day.  

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2 hours ago, Where's Wellwood said:

Players with NMC must have protection spots used on them whether you want to protect them or not.

 

 NTC don't affect the expansion draft status

Correct.

NMV means a player cannot move 
NTC  means a player can't be traded

So any player with a NTC can still be left unprotected and be claimed and moved to an expansion team, whereby one with a NMC can't.


 

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29 minutes ago, canuckledraggin said:

Benning doesn't make roster decisions though. If the playoff race comes down to the last couple of games and Hughes is a major player down the stretch drive, would Green keep him out of the lineup?

 

I get the feeling that Green is pretty much an assistant GM at this point and that he is being involved in the roster decisions more than most coaches would be. But is that a decision that needs to be made between the management group? or is Green going to have that call?

 

It's a hypothetical, but it's something that has a small chance of happening.

 

 

As long as Michigan beats a lower ranked team in the first round he shouldn't be done until at least March 16, and if he misses the back to back on the 17th and 18th then there are only 9 games left (no playoffs). 

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1 hour ago, NUCKER67 said:

Oh, well then that's not helpful to the Canucks. I can see Edler pushing hard for a NMC, just so he doesn't get snagged by SEA. C'mon Eddie, it's only a 3 hour drive lol

does, erikkson have a ntc, we can convene seattle to take that contract on

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3 hours ago, NUCKER67 said:

Are players with NTCs exempt from the expansion draft and are they excluded from the protection list?

 

If so, then give Pettersson and Boeser NTCs with their next contract. I don't want these guys going anywhere.

Can't give RFAs NTCs. Although if the contract goes into their UFA years I think those years can have NTCs on them. 5 years of Nylander's contract has no NTC, but the final year does for instance. So the best he could do was get a verbal agreement from management that they wouldn't trade him.

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3 hours ago, Alflives said:

That's good. Thanks for the clarification.  I'm glad Quinn will be exempted from the Seattle draft.  I thought Boeser and Gaudette played less than 10 games, and still got a full year off their ELCs.  Am I confusing burning a year off an ELC with the Expansion rules?

Expansion rules are different. 

Do be eligible for expansion Hughes would need to play at least 10 games. Playoff games count toward this total.

 

However, collage players that sign at the end of the season and play in 1 game have their first year of ELC activated and burned. This is why Boeser is up for a raise and why next year is gaudettes contract year.

 

If you look back a page Alf there is a much clearer post about this subject

 

Hope it helps

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5 hours ago, NUCKER67 said:

Oh, well then that's not helpful to the Canucks. I can see Edler pushing hard for a NMC, just so he doesn't get snagged by SEA. C'mon Eddie, it's only a 3 hour drive lol

I still don't see how Seattle would be interested in a, by then, 35 year old Edler.  

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