Alflives Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Kanukfanatic said: Everyone knows you need a 1C, a 1D (or close to it), and a 1G to win. Petey is already a 1C in his first year in the NHL. We have seen how this kid develops at a crazy rate. Imagine his skills in two years when he has more experience and is close to 195 lbs. He will be an elite 1C imo. His will to win is amazing. We may have a 1G in Demko coming. And we have Hughes who has a projected high ceiling but we really have no idea right now where he will end up. I have not watched Dahlin much but I am not sure I would trade Petey for him at this point. In fact, I don't think I would. Although Dahlin will probably be that 1D we really wish we had and he projects to be better than Hughes by most (not some of our real homers though lol). I am very excited for the next couple of years.... Was Pettersson the most impactful player in his draft? Yes. Hughes will prove the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 to win a cup you need to have the next Group of 7, in order of importance: 1C - Pettersson 1D- ? hughes maybe 1G- Markstrom and Demko are real possibilities 2C - Horvat 1W- Boeser 3C- Gaudette 2D- ? the right pieces are coming into place, with woo, stech, Hutton, Brisebois, Sautner, tanner, Edler, tryamkin, there is potential for a good d corps, we need to hit a home run this draft and sign a key free agent and then cook our players ???- Pettersson Boeser ???-Horvat Virtanen Roussel - Gaudette- Macewan/Granlund/Ericksson Beagle - Sutter- Motte Edler Stecher Hutton Tanev Hughes Guddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 54 minutes ago, Alflives said: Was Pettersson the most impactful player in his draft? Yes. Hughes will prove the same. We shall see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Kanukfanatic said: We shall see. It’s nice to see a fan with an open mind. Dahlin is really good, but Hughes is going to blow people away with how impactful he is on each game, just like Pettersson is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 On 2/19/2019 at 5:31 PM, Alflives said: So true about Woo. These kinds of lists are usually for the offensive minded Dmen. Woo is more of a rock solid guy, who is putting up some decent numbers, but that’s not the only part of his game, or even the best part. Did we steal a top D man in Woo? Wasn’t Edler a third rounder? Yep, Edler was a third rounder, Bieksa was a fifth rounder, and Tanev was undrafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Canucks Curse said: to win a cup you need to have the next Group of 7, in order of importance: 1C - Pettersson 1D- ? hughes maybe 1G- Markstrom and Demko are real possibilities 2C - Horvat 1W- Boeser 3C- Gaudette 2D- ? the right pieces are coming into place, with woo, stech, Hutton, Brisebois, Sautner, tanner, Edler, tryamkin, there is potential for a good d corps, we need to hit a home run this draft and sign a key free agent and then cook our players ???- Pettersson Boeser ???-Horvat Virtanen Roussel - Gaudette- Macewan/Granlund/Ericksson Beagle - Sutter- Motte Edler Stecher Hutton Tanev Hughes Guddy It's hard to think of Hughes as a number one D because those tend to be minute crunching Dmen who are strong on both sides of the puck. Along the lines of Doughty or Weber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoung Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 25 minutes ago, Mathew Barzal said: It's hard to think of Hughes as a number one D because those tend to be minute crunching Dmen who are strong on both sides of the puck. Along the lines of Doughty or Weber. Where do you place guys like Yandle, Klingberg etc... I feel like they could be considered number 1s but they aren't super solid in their own end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 6 hours ago, Mathew Barzal said: It's hard to think of Hughes as a number one D because those tend to be minute crunching Dmen who are strong on both sides of the puck. Along the lines of Doughty or Weber. We won't know what Hughes can be until next year. I like the idea of Hughes and Stecher as a 1/2 punch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 7 hours ago, cyoung said: Where do you place guys like Yandle, Klingberg etc... I feel like they could be considered number 1s but they aren't super solid in their own end. I think the catch is that not all teams' #1 defencemen are created equal or are directly comparable to other teams' #1 guys..... Case in point, even when healthy, would you rate our top two d anywhere near SJ/TBL/NSH top two D? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 47 minutes ago, Fanuck said: I think the catch is that not all teams' #1 defencemen are created equal or are directly comparable to other teams' #1 guys..... Case in point, even when healthy, would you rate our top two d anywhere near SJ/TBL/NSH top two D? Edler's a #2D, Tanev's a 2B/3A (trending evermore towards 3A). Looking at team's depth charts doesn't tell you a damn thing. Edler would probably fall at #4 or 5 in Nashville's depth chart but 1 or 2 in Toronto (and easily 1 here). Rate the player on their own merit and what other GM's would value them at in trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 14 minutes ago, aGENT said: Edler's a #2D, Tanev's a 2B/3A (trending evermore towards 3A). Looking at team's depth charts doesn't tell you a damn thing. Edler would probably fall at #4 or 5 in Nashville's depth chart but 1 or 2 in Toronto (and easily 1 here). Rate the player on their own merit and what other GM's would value them at in trade. Not sure why you're quoting me on this, I agree - out depth doesn't rate with other top teams' depth. That was my point to the other poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Fanuck said: Not sure why you're quoting me on this Was agreeing with you: 1 hour ago, Fanuck said: I think the catch is that not all teams' #1 defencemen are created equal or are directly comparable to other teams' #1 guys..... Case in point, even when healthy, would you rate our top two d anywhere near SJ/TBL/NSH top two D? It's tiresome explaining the difference between depth charts and player rank/value. A LOT of people don't get it. You can't take teams with multiple #1D's and #2D's (SJS and NSH in particular) and say things like "Edler wouldn't even be in their top 4, therefore he's at best like a #4D...derp" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoung Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Fanuck said: I think the catch is that not all teams' #1 defencemen are created equal or are directly comparable to other teams' #1 guys..... Case in point, even when healthy, would you rate our top two d anywhere near SJ/TBL/NSH top two D? Ya but our top two 2 are at best top4s We currently do not have a #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, cyoung said: Ya but our top two 2 are at best top4s We currently do not have a #1. do you really not see the absurdity of a statement like this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 5 hours ago, Boudrias said: We won't know what Hughes can be until next year. I like the idea of Hughes and Stecher as a 1/2 punch. Great, a tandem of garden gnomes defending lol I'm kidding, but really, I think Hughes needs to play with a responsible defensive Dman with decent size (eg. Tanev?) What could be interesting is seeing how other teams defend against Hughes when he comes here in a few weeks. Could be similar to Pettersson where they don't really know how this kid plays and his tendencies. They'll find out soon enough. Pettersson has impressed throughout the league and is now the Calder favourite. I think Hughes is going to make a splash. Not necessarily goals, but incredible skating, vision and setting up plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoung Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, tas said: do you really not see the absurdity of a statement like this? Haha well im sure you know what I mean when I say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, cyoung said: Haha well im sure you know what I mean when I say that. I do know what you mean, but what you mean is based on a flawed premise. there are 31 #1 defencemen in the nhl. alex edler is an average one. is he a franchise defenceman? nope. but he munches minutes, plays reliably in every situation, and makes whoever is paired with him better. Edited February 21, 2019 by tas 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Just now, tas said: I do know what you mean, but what you mean is based on a flawed premise. there are 31 #1 defencemen in the nhl. Alex edler is an average one. is he a franchise defenceman? nope. but he munches minutes, plays reliably in every situation, and makes whoever is paired with him better. How about a top pair of Edler and EK? Then would could have Hutton and Stecher as our second pair. Hughes could play third pair with Guddy. when OJ is ready (likely by Christmas) he could fill in for Guddy, and Guddy drops to the 7 spot. With injuries we have Brisebois, and Sautner read to fill in too. I guess Bulldog would be in the mix as that extra guy, who comes in for some games as needed, but never EVER plays regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoung Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 45 minutes ago, tas said: I do know what you mean, but what you mean is based on a flawed premise. there are 31 #1 defencemen in the nhl. alex edler is an average one. is he a franchise defenceman? nope. but he munches minutes, plays reliably in every situation, and makes whoever is paired with him better. Ya but we have different opinions because we are looking at it in a different way. I get what you mean. I love Edler but imo we can't win it all if he's our best. Hopefully Hughes can be our guy but he's probably a few years off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 21 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said: Everyone knows you need a 1C, a 1D (or close to it), and a 1G to win. Petey is already a 1C in his first year in the NHL. We have seen how this kid develops at a crazy rate. Imagine his skills in two years when he has more experience and is close to 195 lbs. He will be an elite 1C imo. His will to win is amazing. We may have a 1G in Demko coming. And we have Hughes who has a projected high ceiling but we really have no idea right now where he will end up. I have not watched Dahlin much but I am not sure I would trade Petey for him at this point. In fact, I don't think I would. Although Dahlin will probably be that 1D we really wish we had and he projects to be better than Hughes by most (not some of our real homers though lol). I am very excited for the next couple of years.... Our one, two, three punch down the middle could be something special. The Horvat Petey Combo is ideal when you look forward a few years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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