RetroCanuck Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 If Madden keeps this up he could easily be the top C in Utica next season or a middle six guy for the Canucks. Roussel-Horvat-Madden for the Canucks or Gadj-Madden-Lind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 10 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: judd brackett is a beast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canuck #12 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Vancouver Canucks LEFT WING Player Fantasy Upside NHL Certainty Nils Höglander 8.5 8.0 Ethan Keppen 6.5 6.5 Aidan McDonough 6.0 6.0 Francis Perron 6.0 4.5 Jonah Gadjovich 5.0 6.5 Petrus Palmu 5.0 5.0 CENTERS Player Fantasy Upside NHL Certainty Adam Gaudette 7.5 9.5 Tyler Madden 7.0 8.5 Linus Karlsson 6.5 6.0 Jack Malone 5.5 5.0 Carson Focht 5.0 5.0 Dmitri Zhukenov 2.0 1.0 RIGHT WING Player Fantasy Upside NHL Certainty Vasili Podkolzin 9.0 9.0 Kole Lind 8.0 8.0 Artyom Manukyan 6.5 2.0 Karel Plasek 6.0 3.0 Lukas Jasek 6.0 6.5 Zack MacEwen 6.0 9.0 William Lockwood 5.0 7.5 Justin Bailey 4.5 4.5 DEFENSEMEN Player Fantasy Upside NHL Certainty Quinn Hughes 10.0 10.0 Jack Rathbone 7.0 7.0 Olli Juolevi 7.0 8.5 Nikita Tryamkin 6.5 6.0 Guillaume Brisebois 5.0 8.5 Josh Teves 5.0 7.5 Toni Utunen 5.0 7.0 Ashton Sautner 3.0 6.0 DEFENSEMEN Player Fantasy Upside NHL Certainty Jett Woo 8.0 8.5 Brogan Rafferty 5.5 7.0 Jalen Chatfield 5.0 7.0 Mitch Eliot 4.0 6.0 GOALTENDER Player Fantasy Upside NHL Certainty Michael DiPietro 8.5 8.5 Thatcher Demko 8.5 10.0 Arturs Silovs 6.0 5.0 Matthew Thiessen 6.0 5.0 Jake Kielly 5.0 6.0 Zane McIntyre 4.5 3.5 Too many people confuse the depth on the current roster with depth of players at that position in the prospect pool. If you look at DobberProspect's ratings, it makes it pretty obvious that the quality of our prospects at D, both in numbers and in terms of NHL certainty, is far superior to our centre depth. LW doesn't look so good either, but the wingers as a whole are still much deeper than our centre prospects. And that's banking on all of our centre prospects actually being able to play centre in the NHL. It's not so uncommon for a centre to get converted to a winger once they reach the big league (case in point, MacEwen), but pretty rare for a winger to get converted to a centre once they turn pro. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 19 hours ago, Captain Canuck #12 said: And you seriously can't understand how much our C prospect depth needs to be strengthened That's right....face palms x2 back at you mister!! I'm really not too worried about our center depth right now. Between Horvat, Pettersson, Miller, Gaudette and Madden, we have a ton of young center depth, most of which is already proven at the NHL level. While you can never have enough centers, we're in a pretty enviable position center-wise. It's our blueline that really needs work now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 59 minutes ago, Captain Canuck #12 said: Player Fantasy Upside NHL Certainty Jett Woo 8.0 8.5 Brogan Rafferty 5.5 7.0 Jalen Chatfield 5.0 7.0 Mitch Eliot 4.0 6.0 The return of Hockey's Future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WeneedLumme Posted November 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2019 So what are we gonna do for centers after Madden retires? It's never too early to start worrying lol. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Captain Canuck #12 said: Vancouver Canucks LEFT WING Player Fantasy Upside NHL Certainty Nils Höglander 8.5 8.0 Ethan Keppen 6.5 6.5 Aidan McDonough 6.0 6.0 Francis Perron 6.0 4.5 Jonah Gadjovich 5.0 6.5 Petrus Palmu 5.0 5.0 CENTERS Player Fantasy Upside NHL Certainty Adam Gaudette 7.5 9.5 Tyler Madden 7.0 8.5 Linus Karlsson 6.5 6.0 Jack Malone 5.5 5.0 Carson Focht 5.0 5.0 Dmitri Zhukenov 2.0 1.0 RIGHT WING Player Fantasy Upside NHL Certainty Vasili Podkolzin 9.0 9.0 Kole Lind 8.0 8.0 Artyom Manukyan 6.5 2.0 Karel Plasek 6.0 3.0 Lukas Jasek 6.0 6.5 Zack MacEwen 6.0 9.0 William Lockwood 5.0 7.5 Justin Bailey 4.5 4.5 DEFENSEMEN Player Fantasy Upside NHL Certainty Quinn Hughes 10.0 10.0 Jack Rathbone 7.0 7.0 Olli Juolevi 7.0 8.5 Nikita Tryamkin 6.5 6.0 Guillaume Brisebois 5.0 8.5 Josh Teves 5.0 7.5 Toni Utunen 5.0 7.0 Ashton Sautner 3.0 6.0 DEFENSEMEN Player Fantasy Upside NHL Certainty Jett Woo 8.0 8.5 Brogan Rafferty 5.5 7.0 Jalen Chatfield 5.0 7.0 Mitch Eliot 4.0 6.0 GOALTENDER Player Fantasy Upside NHL Certainty Michael DiPietro 8.5 8.5 Thatcher Demko 8.5 10.0 Arturs Silovs 6.0 5.0 Matthew Thiessen 6.0 5.0 Jake Kielly 5.0 6.0 Zane McIntyre 4.5 3.5 Too many people confuse the depth on the current roster with depth of players at that position in the prospect pool. If you look at DobberProspect's ratings, it makes it pretty obvious that the quality of our prospects at D, both in numbers and in terms of NHL certainty, is far superior to our centre depth. LW doesn't look so good either, but the wingers as a whole are still much deeper than our centre prospects. And that's banking on all of our centre prospects actually being able to play centre in the NHL. It's not so uncommon for a centre to get converted to a winger once they reach the big league (case in point, MacEwen), but pretty rare for a winger to get converted to a centre once they turn pro. You have tried this narrative before this week. But you seem to ignore the fact that our best centre is 21 yrs old and will be with the team for 15 years (hopefully). And the fact our other centres (Horvat, Gaudette) are young and hopefully tie up those positions for years. That is why you try to say our centre depth is worse than our D depth. But then our only real young D that is a top 4 is Hughes. The others are all older and some are in their 30s. I don't buy your narrative that centre depth is weaker than D depth no matter how hard you try to sell it. Edit: dobberprospects is kinda a joke. Edited November 30, 2019 by Kanukfanatic 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canuck #12 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Kanukfanatic said: You have tried this narrative before this week. But you seem to ignore the fact that our best centre is 21 yrs old and will be with the team for 15 years (hopefully). And the fact our other centres (Horvat, Gaudette) are young and hopefully tie up those positions for years. That is why you try to say our centre depth is worse than our D depth. But then our only real young D that is a top 4 is Hughes. The others are all older and some are in their 30s. I don't buy your narrative that centre depth is weaker than D depth no matter how hard you try to sell it. Edit: dobberprospects is kinda a joke. I don't have to sell anything. It's there in the depth chart for all to see. What you don't realize is that just saying the same thing over and over, without any evidence to back it up, doesn't make it true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan since 82 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 11 hours ago, canuktravella said: focht and madden our great center prospects and we have horvat 25 petey 21 miller 27 and gaudette 23 and sutter and beagle not sure we need any centers in the next 10 yrs Maybe because Madden and Focht aren't actually in the NHL yet and we don't know if they'll make it. Gaudette is playing great, but he needs serious work to up his faceoff skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22and33 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 6 hours ago, Captain Canuck #12 said: I don't have to sell anything. It's there in the depth chart for all to see. What you don't realize is that just saying the same thing over and over, without any evidence to back it up, doesn't make it true. 7 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said: But you seem to ignore the fact that our best centre is 21 yrs old and will be with the team for 15 years (hopefully). And the fact our other centres (Horvat, Gaudette) are young and hopefully tie up those positions for years. Are you ignoring this part of his argument or just don't like his evidence? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Captain Canuck #12 said: I don't have to sell anything. It's there in the depth chart for all to see. What you don't realize is that just saying the same thing over and over, without any evidence to back it up, doesn't make it true. Your depth chart isn't taking into account the young players that have already made the team. Pettersson, Horvat and Miller are all young and all can play center. Why are you not taking them into account? Let's create a hypothetical situation. Pettersson, Horvat and Miller have aren't with the parent club. They've been playing in Europe for some unknown reason and thus are all still technically "prospects". They're still the same age, and are all just as good as they are now. How does the center depth of our prospect pool look then? Edited November 30, 2019 by 48MPHSlapShot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 10 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said: You have tried this narrative before this week. But you seem to ignore the fact that our best centre is 21 yrs old and will be with the team for 15 years (hopefully). And the fact our other centres (Horvat, Gaudette) are young and hopefully tie up those positions for years. That is why you try to say our centre depth is worse than our D depth. But then our only real young D that is a top 4 is Hughes. The others are all older and some are in their 30s. I don't buy your narrative that centre depth is weaker than D depth no matter how hard you try to sell it. Edit: dobberprospects is kinda a joke. Our best centre is 21 and has already had one concussion and one knee injury - injuries happen and some end careers early - take Cody Hodgson who outplayed Tavares at the world junior tournament and looke like the second coming. Crap happens. Looking at Horvat’s play this year is a confirmation of what happened last year - he is extremely streaky and not suited to defensive roles, so what does that make him on a Stanley Cup contender? He’s at the point where he should be showing that he can lead a contender by showing CONSISTENCY. Gaudette looks promising, but there is not any certainty that he can become an adequate player in his own end. As for Sutter and Beagle - our performance of late May be an indication of how we need what they provide, but their injury records show how often they are out, and how little depth we have to fill their spots. Our prospect pool at centre consists of who, exactly, in Utica? Next in line is probably Jasek, a converted winger by necessity. After him, we have Madden in college, a seriously undersized centre who was pushed to the wing on the US national junior team, and Focht, who after a hot start has cooled off tremendously. The Canucks are extremely thin at centre, which other than a number one D is probably the most difficult position to fill. By number one D, I mean someone who can provide offence and provide shutdown on the opposition’s best line - Stanley Cup winners tend to have such a player. Hughes can provide offence, perhaps copious quantities of it, but providing the defensive aspects of that number one guy is a little much to ask. We are only deep on the wing - most wingers can play either side, so left or right doesn’t matter much. As for D that could fill the role that Edler used to fill but is no longer capable of, we don’t have one - unless we presume that that role should be filled by someone really fragile, like Juolevi. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaGuy Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 47 minutes ago, Ray_Cathode said: Our best centre is 21 and has already had one concussion and one knee injury - injuries happen and some end careers early - take Cody Hodgson who outplayed Tavares at the world junior tournament and looke like the second coming. Crap happens. Looking at Horvat’s play this year is a confirmation of what happened last year - he is extremely streaky and not suited to defensive roles, so what does that make him on a Stanley Cup contender? He’s at the point where he should be showing that he can lead a contender by showing CONSISTENCY. Gaudette looks promising, but there is not any certainty that he can become an adequate player in his own end. As for Sutter and Beagle - our performance of late May be an indication of how we need what they provide, but their injury records show how often they are out, and how little depth we have to fill their spots. Our prospect pool at centre consists of who, exactly, in Utica? Next in line is probably Jasek, a converted winger by necessity. After him, we have Madden in college, a seriously undersized centre who was pushed to the wing on the US national junior team, and Focht, who after a hot start has cooled off tremendously. The Canucks are extremely thin at centre, which other than a number one D is probably the most difficult position to fill. By number one D, I mean someone who can provide offence and provide shutdown on the opposition’s best line - Stanley Cup winners tend to have such a player. Hughes can provide offence, perhaps copious quantities of it, but providing the defensive aspects of that number one guy is a little much to ask. We are only deep on the wing - most wingers can play either side, so left or right doesn’t matter much. As for D that could fill the role that Edler used to fill but is no longer capable of, we don’t have one - unless we presume that that role should be filled by someone really fragile, like Juolevi. Jeez man. I feel bad for those close to you. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Ray_Cathode said: The Canucks are extremely thin at centre This is objectively false. Center-wise, we're in one of the most enviable positions in the entire league. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 48 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: This is objectively false. Center-wise, we're in one of the most enviable positions in the entire league. If we are so enviable in terms of depth, why are we 3-6-1 over the last ten games while Sutter and Beagle are out? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoung Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 30 minutes ago, Ray_Cathode said: If we are so enviable in terms of depth, why are we 3-6-1 over the last ten games while Sutter and Beagle are out? We have been playing bad. I wouldn't say our loses are directly linked to those two being out. We just need to be better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Ray_Cathode said: If we are so enviable in terms of depth, why are we 3-6-1 over the last ten games while Sutter and Beagle are out? We're playing poorly, we're coached poorly, and our two defensive centers happen to be out at the same time yet again. If you think that having Pettersson, Horvat, Miller, Gaudette, Sutter and Beagle on the same team with Madden waiting in the wings is bad center depth, I don't know what to tell you. As far as our top 3 centers go, barring something unforeseen, we're set for the next decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TGT68 Posted November 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2019 I guess it was silly of me to stop in and see if Madden played today. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenAlien Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 Madden scores again to extend his point streak to 7 games (7G + 8A during this stretch). McDonough gets an assist and Northeastern wins the Belpot (an annual NCAA tournament in Belfast between four teams). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canuck #12 Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 8 hours ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: Your depth chart isn't taking into account the young players that have already made the team. Pettersson, Horvat and Miller are all young and all can play center. Why are you not taking them into account? Let's create a hypothetical situation. Pettersson, Horvat and Miller have aren't with the parent club. They've been playing in Europe for some unknown reason and thus are all still technically "prospects". They're still the same age, and are all just as good as they are now. How does the center depth of our prospect pool look then? Because I was never talking about the players already on the roster. I think they're great too! I was talking about our depth of centres not already on the roster. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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