[Trade] Hurricanes trade Elias Lindholm, Noah Hanifin to Flames for Dougie Hamilton, Micheal Ferland, Adam Fox

[PhillipBlunt]

Just now, Violator said:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/three-benched-calgary-flames-apologize-hartley-says-hes-moved-on/article28704283/
 

One night earlier, the Flames took the unprecedented step of suspending a trio of players – Monahan, Johnny Gaudreau and Lance Bouma – for one game, for disciplinary reasons, after the three arrived late for a Monday morning, post-Super Bowl practice

I'm torn. The guys should have some fun once in a while. 

[Violator]

3 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

I'm torn. The guys should have some fun once in a while. 

Thats the unfortunate part with sports these days its gone from drinking and having fun to guys now turning vegeterian in order to get an extra jump.

 

But when you pay these guys millions to be the best then nothing  cant get in the way.

[PhillipBlunt]

31 minutes ago, Violator said:

Thats the unfortunate part with sports these days its gone from drinking and having fun to guys now turning vegeterian in order to get an extra jump.

 

But when you pay these guys millions to be the best then nothing  cant get in the way.

Good point. 

 

By the way, thanks for providing the source. 

Edited June 24, 2018 by PhillipBlunt

[Psycho_Path]

I think this is a good deal for both teams, honestly

[oldnews]

4 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said:

Well, if you are an analytics person you are amazed Calgary makes the trade.   

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not sure what that means, or is supposed to, tbh.

 

there is literally nothing particularly 'analytical' about what Carolina just did.  nothing.

 

nothing special whatsoever about Ferland's 'analytics' ie underlying numbers

nothing special about Hamilton either,  particularly when you look at the type of possession player Giordano (his partner) is and has been.

Nothing in the 'advanced stats' to suggest that Lindholm and Hanifin aren't comparable 'possession' players.

 

[mll]

Dundon wants to shake up his team.  Last season Peters criticised the team for not always playing hard enough.  Calgary felt the same way with their team - Treliving talked of lack of consistency and effort.   

 

LeBrun tweeted that contract negotiations were not going well with Lindholm.  Luke DeCock says that both Lindholm and Hanifin rejected their contract offers this weekend before being traded.

 

 

[Rob_Zepp]

6 hours ago, oldnews said:

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not sure what that means, or is supposed to, tbh.

 

there is literally nothing particularly 'analytical' about what Carolina just did.  nothing.

 

nothing special whatsoever about Ferland's 'analytics' ie underlying numbers

nothing special about Hamilton either,  particularly when you look at the type of possession player Giordano (his partner) is and has been.

Nothing in the 'advanced stats' to suggest that Lindholm and Hanifin aren't comparable 'possession' players.

 

Uh, was responding to the analytics compare of Hamilton and Hanifin - one of those things does not look like the other 

[Gaudette Celly]

3 hours ago, mll said:

Dundon wants to shake up his team.  Last season Peters criticised the team for not always playing hard enough.  Calgary felt the same way with their team - Treliving talked of lack of consistency and effort.   

 

LeBrun tweeted that contract negotiations were not going well with Lindholm.  Luke DeCock says that both Lindholm and Hanifin rejected their contract offers this weekend before being traded.

 

 

So, quick pitstop for Dougie?

[tas]

he'll force a trade to arizona to be with freddie.

 

there's something off-putting about those guys. something about grown men going by "dougie" and "freddie" ... I think seguin and benn might have been barking up the wrong tree when it comes to brothers sleeping in bunk beds. 

[DrJockitch]

4 hours ago, mll said:

Dundon wants to shake up his team.  Last season Peters criticised the team for not always playing hard enough.  Calgary felt the same way with their team - Treliving talked of lack of consistency and effort.   

 

LeBrun tweeted that contract negotiations were not going well with Lindholm.  Luke DeCock says that both Lindholm and Hanifin rejected their contract offers this weekend before being traded.

 

 

Not going to go very far in pro-sports with that attitude.  Players and particularly their agents are there for themselves.  Yes a sense of team is important but hey look what happens, when you don't sign the contract the team wants you to, you get GMs doing stupid things like offering to drive you to the airpoirt or get traded to some northern hinterland.  That doesn't sound 100% committed to the player, why should they be 100% committed to you.  This is a system where a team holds your rights after being drafted.  You get no choice on what franchise you end up with so why should you be 100% for them.  Player development is also fairly woeful after the draft as it is mostly left up to the junior/college team.

 

Okay, I know this won't be a very popular opinion but the loyalty is earned and usually by the fans not the organization.  Someone who plays a solid career in the NHL will usually see at least 2-3 full management rebuilds, again why should they be loyal to the guy that will be gone in two years anyway.  It is the fan base that is consistent and should earn the trust and loyalty of the player.  Of course there are many guys out there like Kessler that are there 100% for themselves and it doesn't matter who has been cheering for them for a decade and paying their salaries, doesn't mean he was less dedicated to being a pro athlete, just makes him a selfish #$&%.

 

I also don't understand why a player can't be a bit of a loner and want to do his own thing sometimes.  There are 23 guys on the club and you are already going to be spending a lot of time with them with practice, travel, games, workouts, team events and meals.  Jebus I would want to get away from those guys sometimes too.  I don't want to spend my nights hanging out with my co-workers for the most part, and we don't travel together half the year.

Edited June 24, 2018 by DrJockitch

[Gaudette Celly]

33 minutes ago, tas said:

he'll force a trade to arizona to be with freddie.

 

there's something off-putting about those guys. something about grown men going by "dougie" and "freddie" ... I think seguin and benn might have been barking up the wrong tree when it comes to brothers sleeping in bunk beds. 

Dougie and Freddie's jerseys:

[Aspie]

12 hours ago, Drakrami said:

Calgary just got a young 2nd line center and a young top pairing defenseman. 

A young second line Center who is yet to crack 20 goals and more than 45 points a season and a young top pairing defenseman who is at -53 after 3 seasons.

 

The risk of these guys outweighs the rewards by a mile.

 

[Alflives]

5 minutes ago, Aspie said:

A young second line Center who is yet to crack 20 goals and more than 45 points a season and a young top pairing defenseman who is at -53 after 3 seasons.

 

The risk of these guys outweighs the rewards by a mile.

 

There is something seriously wrong going on with the Flames.  It’s like their management thinks their team is good, when actually they are terrible.  They are bringing in stalled 22 year olds, trading first and second round picks for older guys, all in hoping these guys will magically improve.  That’s a definite recipe for a decade of being mediocre.  

[HI5]

4 minutes ago, Alflives said:

There is something seriously wrong going on with the Flames.  It’s like their management thinks their team is good, when actually they are terrible.  They are bringing in stalled 22 year olds, trading first and second round picks for older guys, all in hoping these guys will magically improve.  That’s a definite recipe for a decade of being mediocre.  

What they really need is a number 1 goalie, cause that defends is/was overrated and maybe dump Brouwer for better RW depth.

[420since1974]

My take on the recent Calgary Flames trade:

To Carolina:

Dougie Hamilton (RH RD) - 25 years old, 6’6”, 210lb. Drafted in the first round (9^th overall) in 2011.

 Hamilton is a very good offensive defense-man, who has often been prone to defensive gaffs and lazy, undisciplined penalties. He has played most of his career with Top D partners Zdeno Chara and Mark Giordano, who have covered for some of his defensive lapses. Despite being a big man, he plays quite a soft game. Beginning in Boston and continuing in Calgary; there have been persistent (though unsubstantiated) rumours that he doesn’t fit in well with his teammates. Signed to the end of 2020/2021 at $5.75M per.

Michael Ferland (LH LW/RW) – 26 years old, 6’2”, 208lb. Drafted in the 5^th round (133^rd overall) in 2010.

Ferland is a bottom 6 forward that played quite well with Sean Monahan and Johnny Gaudreau for several months. His career has been consistently inconsistent, a world beater one night, invisible the next. The physical play that he famously displayed against Vancouver in the 2015 play-offs has all but disappeared since his last concussion. Signed to the end of next season at $1.75M per, he will then be a UFA probably looking to at least double his salary.

Adam Fox (RH RD) – 20 years old, 5’11”, 181lb. Drafted in the 3^rd round (66^th overall) in 2016.

Fox is a good offensive defense-man who doesn’t appear to care much about his own end of the ice. He is a decent skater with great vision and elite passing skills. His size prevents him from having much of a physical presence. He has played for Harvard in the NCAA for the last two seasons and had refused to talk about contract offers from the Flames. This has led some people to believe that he intends to play out all 4 seasons in Harvard. He’d then become a UFA and could sign with the highest bidder.

To Calgary:

Noah Hanifin (LH LD) – 21 years old, 6’3”, 206lb. Drafted in the 1st round (5^th overall) in 2015.

Hanifin is a talented “all-around” defense-man who has continued to improve every season. He seldom chips the puck out of the D zone; preferring to skate it out or pass it up to a forward. He is very skilled at O-zone entries; which should eliminate the need for some of the Flame’s “dump and chase” plays. Hanifin is projected to play on the 2^nd pairing with veteran Travis Hamonic. This will allow Calgary to move TJ Brodie back to playing on Giordano’s right side, where Brodie had his greatest success. Hanifin is a RFA without arbitration rights coming off of an ELC ($925k Cap Hit, $1.775M AAV).

Elias Lindholm (RH C/RW) – 23 years old, 6’1”, 192lb. Drafted in the 1st round (5^th overall) in 2013.

Lindholm is a hardworking, versatile, skilled forward. He competes well in all 3 zones and has averaged a 52.7 FO% over 5 NHL seasons. His shot could use some improvement; while it is accurate, it’s not especially hard. He is projected to play at RW with Monahan/Gaudreau and will probably share face-off duties with Monahan, depending on which side the draw is. During his draft year, the Flames were reportedly just as interested in him as they were in Monahan. Lindholm is a RFA with arbitration rights coming off of a two year, $2.7M per contract.

 

Overall, I feel that this trade could benefit both teams, but I think that it will take 4 years before we know for sure.

If Carolina pairs Hamilton with Jaccob Slavin, they should have a great Top D pairing for at least 3 seasons. Ferland could help them out for at least one year; as he can play up and down their lineup. For the Hurricanes to win this trade, they would need to sign Fox and hope that he can become their PP quarterback 4 years down the road.

Among other things, Calgary apparently needed a dressing room shake-up and a Top 6 RW. I believe that it's "mission accomplished" on both of those items. They also got a little younger. Lindholm should be able to put up 50+ points playing with SM & JG, anything more will be a bonus. It will probably help that both players are very familiar with Calgary’s new coach (their old coach). For the Flames to win this trade, Hanifin will need to continue his steady development and come close to filling Giordano’s spot in 4 years.

Trivia

Calgary now has 20% of the first round draft picks from the 2013 Entry Draft.

#5 Lindholm

#6 Monahan

#17 Lazar

#22 Poirier

#24 Shinkaruk

#28 Klimchuk

IMO, Lazar is on the bubble; and Poirier, Shinkaruk, and Klimchuk probably have only one more season to make it to the NHL.

[cuporbust]

Good trade for both I think. Calgary with the slightly better end though. 

[King Heffy]

3 hours ago, tas said:

he'll force a trade to arizona to be with freddie.

 

there's something off-putting about those guys. something about grown men going by "dougie" and "freddie" ... I think seguin and benn might have been barking up the wrong tree when it comes to brothers sleeping in bunk beds. 

Seguin and Benn probably share a bed.

[HI5]

3 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Seguin and Benn probably share a bed.

I find those two to be just as creepy as the Hamilton bros..

[b3.]

I like this trade for Calgary.

[Alflives]

7 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Seguin and Benn probably share a bed.

Not surprising considering they share the same brain.