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29 minutes ago, MoneypuckOverlord said:

Zegras is gone by 10 boys.   Stay on topic with Boldy, Krebs range.  

 

 

Unless.....

 

the Canucks have something right up their sleeves.....

Boldy is ranked higher on all mock drafts than Zegras.

 

IMO it's far easier to group these guys because I am seriously confused as to who's BPA and who's not, they are all so similar even in points and scouting reports.

 

Jack Hughes

Kappo Kakko

 

Bowen Byram

Dylan Cozens

Kirby Dach

Alex Turcotte

 

Vasili Podkolzin 

 

Cole Caufield

Matthew Boldy

Trevor Zegras

Peyton Krebs

Alex Newhook

Phillip Broberg

 

Ryan Suzuki

Moritz Seider

Victor Soderstrom

Cam York 

Thomas Harley

 

Based on team needs and considering BPA

Caufield (Winger)

Zegras (LW/C)

Boldy (LW)

Krebs (LW)

 

Everyone's on topic until the minute the pick is called

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4 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

Boston College has had alot of NHLers go through there recently. Colin White, Hanifin, Gaudreau, Hayes, Tuch, exc. I wasn't as big on Wahlstrom last year personally, agree to disagree on Wall-e / BC.

 

Yeah I really want to see how Newhook compares, I'm pretty much in the same boat. I see him as next tier after our pick, but this tournament will be a good time to assess these guys head to head. 

 

Excited to see other prospects too including Krebs for Canada. Then Soderstrom/Broberg & of course the USNTDP guys. 

Yeaaa I’m not trashing the program or the history of BC I’m just wondering what happened with Wahlstrom there.

 

Maybe it was just not the right fit for him. And I hope there’s nothing weird going on there behind closed doors.

 

Cause he’s not going back and word was he wanted to exit very early in the season but played it out. So maybe it was an isolated case.

 

Im biased because going into the draft Wahlstrom was one of my favorite forwards and I still think he will succeed. We will see how he does next year! 

 

Yeaaa exactly will be good to see! 

 

Im expecting Krebs to be a monster though. He will get decent linemates,massive upgrade over his current squad and he’ll get to play against his peers. 

 

The dmen I’m curious to see as well! 

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2 hours ago, Odd. said:

Boldy is ranked higher on all mock drafts than Zegras.

 

IMO it's far easier to group these guys because I am seriously confused as to who's BPA and who's not, they are all so similar even in points and scouting reports.

 

Jack Hughes

Kappo Kakko

 

Bowen Byram

Dylan Cozens

Kirby Dach

Alex Turcotte

 

Vasili Podkolzin 

 

Cole Caufield

Matthew Boldy

Trevor Zegras

Peyton Krebs

Alex Newhook

Phillip Broberg

 

Ryan Suzuki

Moritz Seider

Victor Soderstrom

Cam York 

Thomas Harley

 

Based on team needs and considering BPA

Caufield (Winger)

Zegras (LW/C)

Boldy (LW)

Krebs (LW)

 

Everyone's on topic until the minute the pick is called

On all Mock Drafts?

 

There are lots of mocks with zegras going before Boldy? And in most drafts they are very close to one another in rankings.

 

i agree about groupings for us trying to rank, this is like last year it was really hard to rank guys. 

 

This years even even more difficult with so many wild cards:

 

Podkolzin - Russian factor and league played in

caufield - size 

newhook - league played in, camp Canada cut for lack of compete 

kaliyev - one dimensional and a passenger 

broberg - hlinka then lack luster regular season

Soderstrom - how high is the ceiling?

seider - know nothing

york - size 

harley - sometimes forget he’s a defencemen

 

i find these guys above very hard to rank.

 

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6 hours ago, Grape said:

I understand the need of filling a RHD, however I don’t think the draft is the place to do it. Defensemen usually take a bit to develop (unless they’re of the Dahlin or Hughes mold), and by the time they do, we don’t know what our RHD situation will look like.

 

Thats why IMO you gotta go BPA

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5 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said:

Hard to say, but I wouldn't be surprised if they liked Boldy.

That's what I'm afraid of. :( He's the perfect fit for us.

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4 hours ago, Grape said:

I don't think a line of Boldy Pettersson and Boeser would have enough of a dynamic element. They all have high IQ, but none of them are fast, and one of their main qualities is that they all have really good shots. Not enough variety for a top line IMO.

Hmm you know Petey is a pretty fast skater right?

 

Like he fit right in at the nhl all star speed contest.

 

Did he look slow to you this season? 

 

Boeser isnt a burner but speed  is not an issue, and IQ makes up for speed.

 

you have a line with  all three linemates having high hockey IQ then you have three guys who read / anticipate and act on plays much quicker than just fast players. 

 

Thinking the game fast and having the skill to execute on it is more important. 

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13 minutes ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said:

That's what I'm afraid of. :( He's the perfect fit for us.

Afraid of what??

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11 minutes ago, R3aL said:

Afraid of what??

I have a feeling that Edmonton sees him as an ideal fit to slot in with either McDavid or Draisaitl in their top-6. The very reason he's the perfect fit for us to play with either one of Pettersson or Horvat.

 

I want a left-handed Mark Stone in our top-6. Do you? 

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7 hours ago, aGENT said:

 

 

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I gave my take.  He doesn't have the speed of other players in his grouping, he isn't a big guy, but decent size with a great shot.   When a winger lacks dynamic speed and plays on a powerhouse line I am less inclined to see him selected in the top 10.

 

Boldy is a top ten rated pick for alot of reasons.  But speed is a concern, this has been brought up pre draft about some very good NHLers, Bo.and Brock are two that come to mind.  

 

Are any players in this draft perfect?  No.  Kakko is likely the most complete, him and the big Russian.  Even Hughes has some less than perfect aspects, like size.  Is Hughes a center in the NHL or a winger?  

 

Lots of guys can overcome this and some even become superstars, EP40 is on track to do just that, but size is was and will still be a concern.  

 

If Boldy was a center, I would be less concerned.  If JB and Brackett think Boldy is their guy, I wont hesitate to support the pick.  I do believe in their scouting model.  They have been right far more than I have.  

 

Last year I wanted the hard shooting RHD that is currently destroying the OHL playoffs.  JB and Brackett leapt at the chance to draft Hughes, whom we all though would be gone before 7.  I 100% like that they took the selection and not me.  

 

I will be following the d men from last year.  Just to see if my take was not that far off.  I still think Bouchard will be that hard shooting RHD that we have needed for a long time.  You can't draft all the players...

 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, Mathew Barzal said:

He plays a mature, cerebral game that would likely have him not look out of place even if he slotted in next year.

 

But, it would be in his best interest to test his limits offensively in another league next year while still building his frame.

Hypothetically, where would he have gone in last years draft?  

 

Other than BB, I dont see the same quality of defender in the top of this years draft.  

 

What do I know, Button has Broberg going top 5.  

 

Getting a complete RHD cannot be over looked, but is he a top ten guy or a team need, or both as you suggest.  

 

Could a trade down accomplish the same goal?  

 

One scouting report I read, or watched put a premium on his RHD vs his other abilities... I will paraphrase, but the take was that his position is what puts him in the top 15, but if he was a LHD he would be in the lower half of the first round.  

 

We need RHD, Woo is in the pipeline, but we dont have alot else.  But the need is now.  I like Soderstrom, but have some doubts about his timeline.  

 

That said, you have been right far more than me.  With this draft I think JB might look to trade vs take a d man.  The only roadblock is that Edmonton is even more desperate than us and their timeline was 3 years ago.  

 

 

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8 hours ago, Odd. said:

Boldy is ranked higher on all mock drafts than Zegras.

 

Pretty even, maybe tilted Zegras actually. I like Zegras for his agility and evasiveness with the puck. Very hard to stop. Boldy just makes plays. And there is nothing wrong with that? Mackenzie has Boldy ahead. That is supposed to be a poll of 10 anonymous NHL GM's.

 

Here is a good list of top sites rankings; http://www.mynhldraft.com/2019-nhl-draft/2019-nhl-draft-rankings/

 

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10 hours ago, Stamkos said:

Pettersson isn’t fast... okay buddy. 

 

10 hours ago, hammertime said:

Aw snap you're right. Low IQ would make that line more dynamic.

Oh c’mon that’s not a dig a Pettersson. You guys really think a line of Boldy Pettersson and Boeser is fast? Find somewhere other than CDC that would think that.

 

All I’m saying is I prefer to have someone complement EP and Brock’s skills and having Boldy doesn’t do that. A line with high IQ but is not fast isn’t dynamic to me because being dynamic requires a lot of change and difference by definition. 

 

Low IQ does not make the line more dynamic. More elements to add on the IQ such as speed will make the line more dynamic. And the lack of speed on that proposed line makes the line less dynamic. But of course you gotta be funny and spin it so that it sounds like I prefer low IQ players :lol:

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5 hours ago, R3aL said:

Hmm you know Petey is a pretty fast skater right?

 

Like he fit right in at the nhl all star speed contest.

 

Did he look slow to you this season? 

 

Boeser isnt a burner but speed  is not an issue, and IQ makes up for speed.

 

you have a line with  all three linemates having high hockey IQ then you have three guys who read / anticipate and act on plays much quicker than just fast players. 

 

Thinking the game fast and having the skill to execute on it is more important. 

I replied in a post above this already. Boeser is not fast. Sure for an average NHL player he might be above average but he is not fast. For a top line winger he is not fast. You won’t find anywhere else other than CDC that laughs and gets angry at someone saying Boeser isn’t fast.

 

I get the Pettersson argument for sure. But the reason he was put in the competition is that he was an all star star more so than he’s fast. I’m sure you remember a lot of people scoffing at the fact that he was in the competition rather than in another more suited for his skills. Again, for a top line center EP might have average speed. Sure he may have looked fast relative to our other players, but a top line center generally does that. That is not fast by any means. Again this is not a dig at EP. It’s just that speed isn’t necessarily his game.

 

For everything else else you can look at the above post. I do have to say I disagree that IQ is more important than speed, but that’s another conversation.

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I just read about the idea to trade up to the #4 spot that Colorado has. 

 

Canucks trade 10th overall, Demko, Hutton or Juolevi for the 4th overall selection in 2019 draft.

 

4th - Canucks draft Bowen Bryam 6'1 192lbs LD 

 

40th - Canucks draft Kaedan Korczak 6'3 192lbs RD 

 

3rd round - Canucks draft Drew Helleson 6'2 181lbs RD 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, kenhodgejr said:

I just read about the idea to trade up to the #4 spot that Colorado has. 

 

Canucks trade 10th overall, Demko, Hutton or Juolevi for the 4th overall selection in 2019 draft.

 

4th - Canucks draft Bowen Bryam 6'1 192lbs LD 

 

40th - Canucks draft Kaedan Korczak 6'3 192lbs RD 

 

3rd round - Canucks draft Drew Helleson 6'2 181lbs RD 

 

 

Hmmm. Im oookay ish with it at the draft. Wouldn't do it before in case Chicago takes byram.

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Boldys skating 'concerns' are being overrated imo.

 

Ill take IQ & average speed over a guy whos fast & doesnt think the game well like Virtanen.

 

If you want speed with Pettersson, the speed pick would be Zegras. But I dont think he'd be as good a fit because he plays to the perimeter, doesnt have a great shot & is a pure playmaker. 

 

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8 minutes ago, kenhodgejr said:

I just read about the idea to trade up to the #4 spot that Colorado has. 

 

Canucks trade 10th overall, Demko, Hutton or Juolevi for the 4th overall selection in 2019 draft.

 

4th - Canucks draft Bowen Bryam 6'1 192lbs LD 

 

40th - Canucks draft Kaedan Korczak 6'3 192lbs RD 

 

3rd round - Canucks draft Drew Helleson 6'2 181lbs RD 

 

 

Byram is a great player, who (IMO) is the second biggest difference maker to Jack Hughes in the draft.  I don't think the Avs would take so little in a trade though.  Avs need young, scoring forwards.  To move up to 4 to get Byram (if he's there at four, which I doubt) would cost our 10th OA + Gaudette + Juiolevi + more.  I really don't think Hutton carries much value in trade.  

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12 hours ago, Grape said:

I understand the need of filling a RHD, however I don’t think the draft is the place to do it. Defensemen usually take a bit to develop (unless they’re of the Dahlin or Hughes mold), and by the time they do, we don’t know what our RHD situation will look like.

 

Thats why IMO you gotta go BPA

I agree go BPA but if it is Soderstrom he should be ready fairly quick, he is already playing big minutes in the SHL. In 2 years, I can see him in the NHL.

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13 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Byram is a great player, who (IMO) is the second biggest difference maker to Jack Hughes in the draft.  I don't think the Avs would take so little in a trade though.  Avs need young, scoring forwards.  To move up to 4 to get Byram (if he's there at four, which I doubt) would cost our 10th OA + Gaudette + Juiolevi + more.  I really don't think Hutton carries much value in trade.  

Your missing Kakko, he scored the world junior gold medal winning goal at the age of 17th. I'd say he might be a difference maker.

 

You could make the case he is more of a difference maker than Hughes as he has gold medals at the U18 and U20 tournies and Hughes has silver at both events. 

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