hammertime Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, S N Y P E R S 7 said: Well, the NHL's final rankings are out and I figured hey why don't I drop my top 31 instead of my top 15. Thoughts are starting to boil down to final rankings, but regardless of team need these are my pre-combine top 31 in order. At every pick, I look at the two best options and ask myself "who would I rather have (a) or (b)." Krebs is another guy that has franchise-defining potential but he needs to start playing with faster, higher skill guys or he's going to get used to trying to do everything himself. As someone said earlier, he's already starting to look tired. If he's developed in an environment where he can trust his linemates to keep up with the kinds of ideas he wants to put into play, he has elite offensive potential in a Seguin or Kane-like mould. He has to limit himself to his linemates' capabilities to have any success in his current situation, and that just sucks. There are pluses to this though. I have seen him go from Kootenay to the national team and he looked like the kind of player we all know and love him to be. Two entirely different players. He knows the value of wins and losing so much has allowed him to thrive and excel amongst peers at his own skill level; he doesn't take even small victories for granted. This could never have come if he were playing with guys like Lafreniere and Dach all season long, because he would get complacent. Kaliyev is an... enigma. I've seen a lot of talk about him, and he was someone who I adored at the beginning of the season. I still do, I still think he has top 6 potential. Now he's ranked at 7 for North American Skaters and I'm a bit perplexed but I know what they see. Kaliyev has a Draisaitl ceiling, straight up and there's no skirting around the edges with that. He has the potential to become an elite top line forward that can play a power role. He gets himself into positions to score consistently and he's a pretty noticeable threat that cant be left alone for a second. The problem is his consistency and, with that power element I'd mentioned earlier, he rarely uses it if he gets the chance. He'll look disinterested, or he'll get into position too early and command a pass that just isn't there. If the question is "does this guy make the players around him better," I don't know if I can say yes. He's been playing with Jan Jenik and Matthew Strome, who are good players in their own right, but he'll be a bit fringe at times and let them do the coordinating and the grinding and allow himself to be the beneficiary. If he forced himself to work harder in all three zones, maybe I wouldn't have my doubts. This is why when I ask myself "would I rather have Cole Caufield or Arthur Kaliyev," the answer is always a resounding "Caufield." Jack Hughes Kaapo Kakko Bowen Byram Kirby Dach Vasili Podkolzin Alex Turcotte Dylan Cozens Peyton Krebs Trevor Zegras Matthew Boldy Victor Soderstrom Cole Caufield Arthur Kaliyev Cam York Philip Broberg Alex Newhook Raphael Lavoie Spencer Knight Ville Heinola Thomas Harley Ryan Suzuki Philip Tomasino Moritz Seider Matthew Robertson Tobias Bjornfot Samuel Poulin Lassi Thomson Jakob Pelletier Nick Robertson Brett Leason Bobby Brink How did you determine this list is this just a BPA list or are you factoring the teams that are picking at those spots? I ask this because you have Podkolzin going to LA who won't want to wait for his KHL contract to expire. And Byram going to CHI who already have Boqvist, Jokiharju, Mitchell, Beaudin, Krys, Koekkoek, Dahlstrom, Forsling who all appear to be NHL caliber D prospects. I think both of these teams address more immediate needs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S N Y P E R S 7 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 minute ago, hammertime said: How did you determine this list is this just a BPA list or are you factoring the teams that are picking at those spots? I ask this because you have Podkolzin going to LA who won't want to wait for his KHL contract to expire. And Byram going to CHI who already have Boqvist, Jokiharju, Mitchell, Beaudin, Krys, Koekkoek, Dahlstrom, Forsling who all appear to be NHL caliber D prospects. I think both of these teams address more immediate needs. Oh this isn't a mock draft, I think I did one of those a while ago. This is just my best available. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 20 minutes ago, S N Y P E R S 7 said: Well, the NHL's final rankings are out and I figured hey why don't I drop my top 31 instead of my top 15. Thoughts are starting to boil down to final rankings, but regardless of team need these are my pre-combine top 31 in order. At every pick, I look at the two best options and ask myself "who would I rather have (a) or (b)." Krebs is another guy that has franchise-defining potential but he needs to start playing with faster, higher skill guys or he's going to get used to trying to do everything himself. As someone said earlier, he's already starting to look tired. If he's developed in an environment where he can trust his linemates to keep up with the kinds of ideas he wants to put into play, he has elite offensive potential in a Seguin or Kane-like mould. He has to limit himself to his linemates' capabilities to have any success in his current situation, and that just sucks. There are pluses to this though. I have seen him go from Kootenay to the national team and he looked like the kind of player we all know and love him to be. Two entirely different players. He knows the value of wins and losing so much has allowed him to thrive and excel amongst peers at his own skill level; he doesn't take even small victories for granted. This could never have come if he were playing with guys like Lafreniere and Dach all season long, because he would get complacent. Kaliyev is an... enigma. I've seen a lot of talk about him, and he was someone who I adored at the beginning of the season. I still do, I still think he has top 6 potential. Now he's ranked at 7 for North American Skaters and I'm a bit perplexed but I know what they see. Kaliyev has a Draisaitl ceiling, straight up and there's no skirting around the edges with that. He has the potential to become an elite top line forward that can play a power role. He gets himself into positions to score consistently and he's a pretty noticeable threat that cant be left alone for a second. The problem is his consistency and, with that power element I'd mentioned earlier, he rarely uses it if he gets the chance. He'll look disinterested, or he'll get into position too early and command a pass that just isn't there. If the question is "does this guy make the players around him better," I don't know if I can say yes. He's been playing with Jan Jenik and Matthew Strome, who are good players in their own right, but he'll be a bit fringe at times and let them do the coordinating and the grinding and allow himself to be the beneficiary. If he forced himself to work harder in all three zones, maybe I wouldn't have my doubts. This is why when I ask myself "would I rather have Cole Caufield or Arthur Kaliyev," the answer is always a resounding "Caufield." Jack Hughes Kaapo Kakko Bowen Byram Kirby Dach Vasili Podkolzin Alex Turcotte Dylan Cozens Peyton Krebs Trevor Zegras Matthew Boldy Victor Soderstrom Cole Caufield Arthur Kaliyev Cam York Philip Broberg Alex Newhook Raphael Lavoie Spencer Knight Ville Heinola Thomas Harley Ryan Suzuki Philip Tomasino Moritz Seider Matthew Robertson Tobias Bjornfot Samuel Poulin Lassi Thomson Jakob Pelletier Nick Robertson Brett Leason Bobby Brink I have a couple of questions and I'd like to get your input if you don't mind: 1) What would Heinola have to do to get ranked higher? He's outproduced Heiskanen's numbers in Liiga, looked good at the WJC before he got injured and has no glaring physical concerns. There seems to quite a bit of evidence pointing to him being around as good as Heiskanen, who has looked great in his rookie year. 2) How do you feel about Dorofeyev? He outscored Podkolzin by quite a bit in the MHL and displays so much creativity in his game. His vision is tremendous and he plays the penalty kill as well. He seems to be everything you want in a player, but is ranked much lower than I feel he should be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathrowe Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Alflives said: Debrincat played in the OHL. He proved he is a hard nosed guy, who can play with an edge, and stand up for himself. That's one of the things that has me cautious about Caufield. He hasn't been physically tested like guys in the CHL would have been. If he is not internally tough, he won't survive. I think there will be better options at pick 10 for us, who have equal upside without the concerns. The guys in this program play against NCAA teams, players that are up to 24 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S N Y P E R S 7 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Horvat is a Boss said: I have a couple of questions and I'd like to get your input if you don't mind: 1) What would Heinola have to do to get ranked higher? He's outproduced Heiskanen's numbers in Liiga, looked good at the WJC before he got injured and has no glaring physical concerns. There seems to quite a bit of evidence pointing to him being around as good as Heiskanen, who has looked great in his rookie year. 2) How do you feel about Dorofeyev? He outscored Podkolzin by quite a bit in the MHL and displays so much creativity in his game. His vision is tremendous and he plays the penalty kill as well. He seems to be everything you want in a player, but is ranked much lower than I feel he should be. Pavel Dorofeyev is a really strong offensive player, but I wouldn't call him a surefire NHLer or someone whose game would translate well yet. He makes quality plays and makes a lot of hard passes look easy. He'll be readable in the NHL if he doesn't make decisions quicker though, as he needs to speed up his game a tad. Some of the things he's able to pull off in the MHL are unbelievable, but in pro leagues, they'd get him decked. He's not that far off, but he seems a bit floaty at times and I think more speed, agility and quicker decision-making could supplement, as you said, creativity in his game. He also needs to battle in the tougher areas. Heinola is good, I can see a bit of the comparison with Heiskanen. Heinola is a safe pick. He'll end up in the NHL, but it'll take some time. He has to refine his two-way game, but I think he has potential as a top 4 D that can put up points and get his stick in lanes. He's not as dynamic as some other guys, but he's super consistent and competitive. Would I rank him ahead of Spencer Knight? Probably not, as I think Knight has potential to be an elite, franchise-type goalie, but that area there is a bit iffy because of Broberg's slippage and how well Lavoie's been playing. If Broberg and Heinola are available, I'm picking Broberg. If Lavoie and Heinola are available, I'm picking on team need. It really depends, but Heinola has a case for being ranked a bit higher. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 47 minutes ago, S N Y P E R S 7 said: Pavel Dorofeyev is a really strong offensive player, but I wouldn't call him a surefire NHLer or someone whose game would translate well yet. He makes quality plays and makes a lot of hard passes look easy. He'll be readable in the NHL if he doesn't make decisions quicker though, as he needs to speed up his game a tad. Some of the things he's able to pull off in the MHL are unbelievable, but in pro leagues, they'd get him decked. He's not that far off, but he seems a bit floaty at times and I think more speed, agility and quicker decision-making could supplement, as you said, creativity in his game. He also needs to battle in the tougher areas. Heinola is good, I can see a bit of the comparison with Heiskanen. Heinola is a safe pick. He'll end up in the NHL, but it'll take some time. He has to refine his two-way game, but I think he has potential as a top 4 D that can put up points and get his stick in lanes. He's not as dynamic as some other guys, but he's super consistent and competitive. Would I rank him ahead of Spencer Knight? Probably not, as I think Knight has potential to be an elite, franchise-type goalie, but that area there is a bit iffy because of Broberg's slippage and how well Lavoie's been playing. If Broberg and Heinola are available, I'm picking Broberg. If Lavoie and Heinola are available, I'm picking on team need. It really depends, but Heinola has a case for being ranked a bit higher. Thanks for the reply. I see where you're coming from on Dorofeyev, but he might have enough raw talent to pull through at the higher levels. He might have a bit of an adjustment period in the KHL next year and then just absolutely take off. The quality of individual and team defense is a joke sometimes in the MHL so he has more time and space, thus not making decisions as fast. I think he's smart enough to adjust to higher levels of defense and increase his overall pace though. He does seem pretty committed to backchecking and overall defense as well. I think the game he plays is very similar to Pettersson actually and I see him as potential Kuznetsov-like gift at the end of the first round. Heinola doesn't have the same skating as Heiskanen, but I think they are pretty much equivalent in terms of hockey sense. I think his hockey sense is probably 1st or 2nd overall amongst the defensemen in the draft actually (either him or Soderstrom probably). For that reason, I think he's a relatively sure bet to be a pretty effective top-4 defenseman once he irons out some defensive deficiencies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Deathrowe said: The guys in this program play against NCAA teams, players that are up to 24 years old. Different rules, and not nearly so tough a league. Yes, these are men he is playing against, but it’s not the same physically. I’m not against Caufield, but I have two concerns about him. One he’s not the quickest guy. Two he’s never had to play hard nosed hockey. He could still be a great player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S N Y P E R S 7 Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 I still think Oliwer Kaski is a sweet, unclaimed option that's open for business. That should definitely be explored, probably prior to the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoung Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 4 hours ago, S N Y P E R S 7 said: Kaliyev is an... enigma. I've seen a lot of talk about him, and he was someone who I adored at the beginning of the season. I still do, I still think he has top 6 potential. Now he's ranked at 7 for North American Skaters and I'm a bit perplexed but I know what they see. Kaliyev has a Draisaitl ceiling, straight up and there's no skirting around the edges with that. He has the potential to become an elite top line forward that can play a power role. He gets himself into positions to score consistently and he's a pretty noticeable threat that cant be left alone for a second. The problem is his consistency and, with that power element I'd mentioned earlier, he rarely uses it if he gets the chance. He'll look disinterested, or he'll get into position too early and command a pass that just isn't there. If the question is "does this guy make the players around him better," I don't know if I can say yes. He's been playing with Jan Jenik and Matthew Strome, who are good players in their own right, but he'll be a bit fringe at times and let them do the coordinating and the grinding and allow himself to be the beneficiary. If he forced himself to work harder in all three zones, maybe I wouldn't have my doubts. This is why when I ask myself "would I rather have Cole Caufield or Arthur Kaliyev," the answer is always a resounding "Caufield". Honestly, kaliyev reminds me alot of Kessel. Definitely not as fast but some qualities. Kessel often seemed disinterested (especially in the beginning of his career), but absolutely deadly when gets going. Very good complimentary player. Consistency, and skating need work. Ceiling is high though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysACanuckFan Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 4 hours ago, S N Y P E R S 7 said: Well, the NHL's final rankings are out and I figured hey why don't I drop my top 31 instead of my top 15. Thoughts are starting to boil down to final rankings, but regardless of team need these are my pre-combine top 31 in order. At every pick, I look at the two best options and ask myself "who would I rather have (a) or (b)." Krebs is another guy that has franchise-defining potential but he needs to start playing with faster, higher skill guys or he's going to get used to trying to do everything himself. As someone said earlier, he's already starting to look tired. If he's developed in an environment where he can trust his linemates to keep up with the kinds of ideas he wants to put into play, he has elite offensive potential in a Seguin or Kane-like mould. He has to limit himself to his linemates' capabilities to have any success in his current situation, and that just sucks. There are pluses to this though. I have seen him go from Kootenay to the national team and he looked like the kind of player we all know and love him to be. Two entirely different players. He knows the value of wins and losing so much has allowed him to thrive and excel amongst peers at his own skill level; he doesn't take even small victories for granted. This could never have come if he were playing with guys like Lafreniere and Dach all season long, because he would get complacent. Kaliyev is an... enigma. I've seen a lot of talk about him, and he was someone who I adored at the beginning of the season. I still do, I still think he has top 6 potential. Now he's ranked at 7 for North American Skaters and I'm a bit perplexed but I know what they see. Kaliyev has a Draisaitl ceiling, straight up and there's no skirting around the edges with that. He has the potential to become an elite top line forward that can play a power role. He gets himself into positions to score consistently and he's a pretty noticeable threat that cant be left alone for a second. The problem is his consistency and, with that power element I'd mentioned earlier, he rarely uses it if he gets the chance. He'll look disinterested, or he'll get into position too early and command a pass that just isn't there. If the question is "does this guy make the players around him better," I don't know if I can say yes. He's been playing with Jan Jenik and Matthew Strome, who are good players in their own right, but he'll be a bit fringe at times and let them do the coordinating and the grinding and allow himself to be the beneficiary. If he forced himself to work harder in all three zones, maybe I wouldn't have my doubts. This is why when I ask myself "would I rather have Cole Caufield or Arthur Kaliyev," the answer is always a resounding "Caufield." Jack Hughes Kaapo Kakko Bowen Byram Kirby Dach Vasili Podkolzin Alex Turcotte Dylan Cozens Peyton Krebs Trevor Zegras Matthew Boldy Victor Soderstrom Cole Caufield Arthur Kaliyev Cam York Philip Broberg Alex Newhook Raphael Lavoie Spencer Knight Ville Heinola Thomas Harley Ryan Suzuki Philip Tomasino Moritz Seider Matthew Robertson Tobias Bjornfot Samuel Poulin Lassi Thomson Jakob Pelletier Nick Robertson Brett Leason Bobby Brink If the draft goes down like this I'd be happy with Boldy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGokou Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 55 minutes ago, cyoung said: Honestly, kaliyev reminds me alot of Kessel. Definitely not as fast but some qualities. Kessel often seemed disinterested (especially in the beginning of his career), but absolutely deadly when gets going. Very good complimentary player. Consistency, and skating need work. Ceiling is high though. No matter what anyone says Kaliyev he definitely has talent. You don't score 1.5 ppg in your draft year as a 17 yr old without being exceptionally talented and as such he does have a really high ceiling. The problem I see is that the concerns that surround him lead him to possibly having a regression/stagnation in next years numbers which would severely cap his ultimate ceiling. I think that's what most scouts are concerned about it. Either way it'd be criminal for him to be selected any later than 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 1 hour ago, cyoung said: Honestly, kaliyev reminds me alot of Kessel. Definitely not as fast but some qualities. Kessel often seemed disinterested (especially in the beginning of his career), but absolutely deadly when gets going. Very good complimentary player. Consistency, and skating need work. Ceiling is high though. I really like that comparison. Kaliyev does remind me a lot of Kessel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 trade down a bit and draft Lassi Thomson from Kelowna and gain an additional pick along the way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoung Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 22 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said: trade down a bit and draft Lassi Thomson from Kelowna and gain an additional pick along the way? I'd prefer to remain at 10, Thomson is a solid pick but itd be a mistake to pass up on a player who will be avail at 10. We will get a geat player at 10 #jbquotes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said: trade down a bit and draft Lassi Thomson from Kelowna and gain an additional pick along the way? Or drafting Korczak with our second. I like his intangibles more than Thompsons. They always up his minutes when their trying to close out a game and hes always out there for important d zone faceoffs. He will also misplace his mittens to come to the aid of a teammate. Personally I'd take Korczak over Lassi. So it's just fine by me that hes ranked a smidgen lower. Lassi may have a better offensive game but Korczack is a guy you win with. Edited April 16, 2019 by hammertime 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 What's everyone's take on Alex Newhook at 10? Just seen his stats and they look insane, and his scouting report says he's an offensive force with a lot of speed. Sounds like a nice winger for Petey 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Brock Botanen said: What's everyone's take on Alex Newhook at 10? Just seen his stats and they look insane, and his scouting report says he's an offensive force with a lot of speed. Sounds like a nice winger for Petey I have been spamming this forum with my support for him. Here is a good start. If you're more interested watch his full games. Hes gonna be good. Maybe someone else who watches BCHL will chime in @Warhippy Edited April 16, 2019 by hammertime 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoung Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 32 minutes ago, hammertime said: I have been spamming this forum with my support for him. Here is a good start. If you're more interested watch his full games. Hes gonna be good. Maybe someone else who watches BCHL will chime in @Warhippy In the games I was able to see (4), he was always a threat. Absolute elite skating, up there with Hughes. You could tell the competition just wasn't enough, NCAA will be great for him next year. Would not be disappointed if we landed him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 51 minutes ago, hammertime said: I have been spamming this forum with my support for him. Here is a good start. If you're more interested watch his full games. Hes gonna be good. Maybe someone else who watches BCHL will chime in @Warhippy If we take him at 10 I won’t be upset at all. he has one of the biggest ceilings in the draft and his skating, puck skills, iq all looks fantastic. I wonder how he would play on a wing though, I’m sure he’d be a good fit on the left flank. People compare jost but I don’t think they were the same caliber playerdraft year, and I feel Colorado rushed him and he should have played another year at least in college. Looking at Makar though is motivating too because they kind of have similarities. Same quality of league, ridiculous video game numbers and both outstanding skaters. think newhook 1-2 years of college and then he’d be NHL ready and a great addition to the squad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Definitely the type of year you could trade down 5 spots and still come away with an elite player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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