Popular Post stawns Posted May 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2019 36 minutes ago, Conscience said: Not looking for drama, he honestly doesn’t have the best track record in the first round, and that’s arguably where he has the most input but thats not what has me doubting Jim. What does though, is that hes definitely not known for his shrewd trades or asset management which I’m questioning when reading his quote. If you can get the guy you want and aquire another asset why wouldn’t you? A solid two way power fwd just coming into his own A pure sniper A legit top 3 dman An absolute superstar A legit top 3 offensive dynamo dman What is there to complain about with his 1st rounders? Other than for the sake of complaining? 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Thanks aGENT Pavel_Bure, I think you're right. I wonder if it's Seider. He's ranked around the halfway point. But it could be any of those D (Broberg, Harley, Heinola) Not sure how I would feel if they took Harley, if Krebs or Boldy are still on the board. Canucks have their superstar on D (Hughes) and another mobile Dman in Stecher. They've got good veterans as well (Edler, Tanev, Schenn), they've got a future second line Dman in Juolevi, Tryamkin might come back and Woo might challenge for a spot this fall. Why would they use the 1st on a mid-round Dman? There should be plenty of good Dmen in the 2nd. IMO, Seider and Broberg are game-changers. No thanks to any of the other D. This is my wish list (who could still be there): Krebs Boldy Seider Broberg Newhook 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Soderstrom and Seider have both had concussions, which is something to consider as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 14 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Not sure how I would feel if they took Harley, if Krebs or Boldy are still on the board. Again, from the article: Quote The Canucks have serious interest in Swedish defenceman Victor Soderstrom, but if one of the elite U.S. National Development Team forwards falls to No. 10 — especially winger Matthew Boldy or perhaps teammate Trevor Zegras — there might be a temptation to take a forward and then a blueliner in the second round. Moving up is an option, but than will mean swapping first-round picks with the Detroit Red Wings at No. 6 and also parting with the second-rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aGENT Posted May 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: Soderstrom and Seider have both had concussions, which is something to consider as well. How many hockey players by the time they're 18 haven't had a concussion? I'm thinking that number is (unfortunately) pretty small. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlastPast Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Conscience said: Man its hard to trust Bennings critical thinking when he says stuff like this... “Defenceman are deep this year, maybe not at the high end, but once you get halfway through the first round, there’s a lot that we like,” added Benning. “If that guy is there at No. 10 we’ll be taking him. It’s been proved by teams still playing that good teams are built through goal, defence and centre. That’s the basic principle.” If there’s multiple dmen that he likes and are in the 2nd half, why would you take one at 10 instead of trading down. Sounds to me like he likes several defensemen that could be available in the middle of the first round. 10 is approaching that point and if you take one of them there you will have your pick of them as opposed to trading down and possibly missing out on the one you want the most (for example an RHD as they are in short supply). 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, aGENT said: Again, from the article: Interesting that the 2nd round pick was suggested as the price to move from 10 to 6. I wonder if that was actually discussed with Holland before he left or just Koozma speculating? If thats the price we might be able to swing a new deal with Holland to move from 10 to 8 for something a little less, like the rights to Hutty plus a 3rd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said: Interesting that the 2nd round pick was suggested as the price to move from 10 to 6. I wonder if that was actually discussed with Holland before he left or just Koozma speculating? If thats the price we might be able to swing a new deal with Holland to move from 10 to 8 for something a little less, like the rights to Hutty plus a 3rd? Rather just pick at 10 than add assets. The value difference between the two picks is not that great. If we can ADD 8th OA, that's another story. Edited May 17, 2019 by aGENT 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 With Boldy, the Canucks would have another power forward (maybe the best one). If Jake can take another step this off season and prove he's worthy of a Top 6 role? Boldy - Pettersson - Boeser Pearson - Horvat - Virtanen (this looks more like a playoff top 6) Baertschi - Pettersson - Boeser Pearson - Horvat - Goldobin (this, does not) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 1 minute ago, aGENT said: Rather just pick at 10 than add assets. The value difference between the two picks is not that great. If we can ADD 8th OA, that's another story. +1... Don't see anyone actually knowing for sure, who will be the better prospect between 5 and 12+... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, aGENT said: Rather just pick at 10 than add assets. The value difference between the two picks is not that great. If we can ADD 8th OA, that's another story. if the stats nerds who do the draft rank value charts are on to anything, its certainly worth a 3rd in potential player value. Hutty is the throw in, I think we're done with him regardless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 23 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: IMO, Seider and Broberg are game-changers. No thanks to any of the other D. Those are definitely the two D-men I want as well. Broberg's pretty underrated in my opinion, could go top 10 easily come draft day. Allsvenskan is a tough league for a 17 year old and his team wasn't great offensively. Needs to work on some things but is still 17, if he has a great work ethic could become a stud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: if the stats nerds who do the draft rank value charts are on to anything, its certainly worth a 3rd in potential player value. Hutty is the throw in, I think we're done with him regardless. If JB likes Seider as the next best D man after Byram, and thinks Seider has the same upside as the forwards who might be there at 10, but thinks Seider is gone by 10, then I am all for you idea to move up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Conscience said: Man its hard to trust Bennings critical thinking when he says stuff like this... “Defenceman are deep this year, maybe not at the high end, but once you get halfway through the first round, there’s a lot that we like,” added Benning. “If that guy is there at No. 10 we’ll be taking him. It’s been proved by teams still playing that good teams are built through goal, defence and centre. That’s the basic principle.” If there’s multiple dmen that he likes and are in the 2nd half, why would you take one at 10 instead of trading down. Ever heard of poker....? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: if the stats nerds who do the draft rank value charts are on to anything, its certainly worth a 3rd in potential player value. Hutty is the throw in, I think we're done with him regardless. We may or may not be done with him but he has more value than a throw in on top of a 3rd to move up to basically an equivalent pick. Rather move him in a separate deal. Edited May 17, 2019 by aGENT 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said: Those are definitely the two D-men I want as well. Broberg's pretty underrated in my opinion, could go top 10 easily come draft day. Allsvenskan is a tough league for a 17 year old and his team wasn't great offensively. Needs to work on some things but is still 17, if he has a great work ethic could become a stud. I watched the Germany-France game yesterday (recorded), and Seider was good again. I believe he scored the first goal. He was steady all game. I got to wondering, how good will this kid be in 3-4 years after developing under NHL trainers and coaches? The sky is the limit. He's a big player with really good speed, smart, calm plays, and his reach is impressive. Real good stick work. He knows how to break up plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conscience Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 40 minutes ago, stawns said: A solid two way power fwd just coming into his own A pure sniper A legit top 3 dman An absolute superstar A legit top 3 offensive dynamo dman What is there to complain about with his 1st rounders? Other than for the sake of complaining? You missed the part where i said his draft round choices wasn’t the problem. You can talk up his picks all you want ( I won’t go down that rabbit hole), and ignore the fact that choosing your guy at 10 when you could trade down and get the same guy and another asset is not maximizing the value of your pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conscience Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, spook007 said: Ever heard of poker....? Poker? I hardly know her 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Just now, Conscience said: Poker? I hardly know her Don't think we should put too much emphasis on what JB tells the press at this stage... Not even sure they know for sure yet themselves... But one thing is certain. He will make a top 10 list of players, and come draft day he will chose whoever the lowest left on the list is.... Unless he choses for need... clear as mud. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aGENT Posted May 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Conscience said: You missed the part where i said his draft round choices wasn’t the problem. You can talk up his picks all you want ( I won’t go down that rabbit hole), and ignore the fact that choosing your guy at 10 when you could trade down and get the same guy and another asset is not maximizing the value of your pick. It's highly debatable where he could trade down to and whether another team is willing to actually pony up enough for you to risk losing your guy. I'm sure he'd look in to the possibility of moving down, but like with Pettersson, he had info Elias wasn't making it past 7, highly limiting any trade options. Would you have preferred he had traded down there too? It's also quite likely they (and other teams) have a D rated 9th or 10th on their internal list despite what the 'consensus' scouting services say. Sometimes you just take your guy and don't risk dicking around. 1 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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