theo5789 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 9 minutes ago, GarthButcher5 said: Krebs is expected to make a full recovery. This was a fluke injury caused by another players skate so it does not indicate any problems. It would be foolish to pass on a talent like Krens just because he likely will not not be ready for training camp. I'm more curious on lingering effects and how well his treatment will be. A quick search did reveal that Erik Karlsson had a similar injury and recovered well, but the article talked about how he defied the odds and there was questions about the Ottawa hospital allowing him to jump the queue to get repaired immediately. I just don't know how this injury will affect him long term so it just puts some doubt, but if he really is expected to recover fully and this injury can be put into the past then definitely I would take him (depending on who's available and over Newhook for sure). We have seen young players that suffer a pretty significant injury sometimes affect their development though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Cozens or Newhook? Or is it even a debate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Am.Ironman Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 52 minutes ago, GarthButcher5 said: Krebs is expected to make a full recovery. This was a fluke injury caused by another players skate so it does not indicate any problems. It would be foolish to pass on a talent like Krens just because he likely will not not be ready for training camp. Bieksa was never the same after it happened to him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: Cozens or Newhook? Or is it even a debate? I think 9 out of 10 would say Cozens myself included. I’m thinking Newhook is a great pick for us however as I bet Cozens is gone by 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 2 hours ago, AlwaysACanuckFan said: Then you will enjoy this He is such a shifty, good skater. Weirdly enough reminds me of Quinn Hughes. Kid just attacks the net with his dynamic skating ability. C and could probably play wing effectively too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Kobayashi Maru said: I think 9 out of 10 would say Cozens myself included. I’m thinking Newhook is a great pick for us however as I bet Cozens is gone by 6. I've got them both in a similar tier around 8-10. I see both as good top 6 fwds. Cozens has been rated higher all year, but I don't see massive upside he might have been projected for after the Hlinka/Gretzky. He'll score goals, 20-30 annually I'd think, but I don't see him as a #1C or PPG guy. Cozens has the size & strength advantage, but Newhook plays faster & is more dynamic. Even in the u18's you see Newhook has game-breaking skill. When you talk about the way the game is trending, Newhook fits right in as a modern NHL player. I guess the debate for me is; the bigger, meat & potatoes type vs the dynamic skill + higher pace game of Newhook. But it is hard to ignore size. Especially when that size can score goals & contribute offensively.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: I've got them both in a similar tier around 8-10. I see both as good top 6 fwds. Cozens has been rated higher all year, but I don't see massive upside he might have been projected for after the Hlinka/Gretzky. He'll score goals, 20-30 annually I'd think, but I don't see him as a #1C or PPG guy. Cozens has the size & strength advantage, but Newhook plays faster & is more dynamic. Even in the u18's you see Newhook has game-breaking skill. When you talk about the way the game is trending, Newhook fits right in as a modern NHL player. I guess the debate for me is; the bigger, meat & potatoes type vs the dynamic skill + higher pace game of Newhook. But it is hard to ignore size. Especially when that size can score goals & contribute offensively.... It’s a good debate as they would both be good adds. I see Newhook as a Kapanen/Ehlers like and Cozens as a Nolan Patrick like. Both valuable additions to the team. I still go Cozens as I think he brings more overall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brobidus Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 I like the Cozens vs Newhook debate. I've seen a couple of scouting reports targeting Cozens consistency. No one doubts his skill or defensive acumen. But, due to social stigma, a big man like Cozens is going to be more of a defensive specialist. The best-case scenario sees him becoming more like Toews/Bergaron/RoR/Kesler/Patrick. Less so Bergaron, as I'm not aware of him ever having had any consistency issues. While that probably says to me that he'll likely never be a true #1C, he could definitely have a little more offensive upside that Horvat/Kesler. Newhook is coming from the BCHL. While that doesn't exactly have to mean anything, the two big BCHL-alumni are Turris and Jost. They're both neat players, but not the type you'd typically pick in the 10th slot. You could ask yourself what-if, but, I'd say you're better off going with Cozens if you're given the choice of the two. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bookie Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kobayashi Maru said: I think 9 out of 10 would say Cozens myself included. I’m thinking Newhook is a great pick for us however as I bet Cozens is gone by 6. Alright, I'll be the 1 out of 10 crazy mofo who would take Newhook over Cozens. I think Cozens will probably be the better player over their early years, but once Newhook figures out the NHL I think he's got a decent chance of having the better career. It's a mix of how the league as a whole is trending, and the fact that he would fit in very nicely with the Canucks. We don't really have anyone other than Jake playing that style of super fast & finesse/skill. I see a bit of that from Gaud, he looks fast by the eye test, but I don't know what he actually clocks at. Should say though that Cozens is a bit of a blindspot for me, just because for so long it's been assumed he would be gone. I've seen some offensive highlights, can anyone speak to the defensive or physical side of the game for him? I know Newhook holds his own in that respect. edit - and in the time I took to type that, Brobidus comes in with exactly what I asked. Edited June 10, 2019 by The Bookie 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Seen some Getzlaf comparisons for Cozens. Hard to pass on a guy that plays a style like that. Newhook is very intriguing though. Need to read up on him more. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Get Quinn to convince Jack to stay in college for 4 years if Devils don't trade the pick to the Canucks 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 11 hours ago, Silky mitts said: Anyone else completely worried about jimbo and all these names that are surfacing ? Lucic, zaitsev, all the cap space he has scares me as well. Plus an expiring contract (Benning) and with pressure to improve upon last season.. im so nervous for this summer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 11 hours ago, Silky mitts said: Anyone else completely worried about jimbo and all these names that are surfacing ? Lucic, zaitsev, all the cap space he has scares me as well. Here’s hoping the only reason we’re linked is because Benning sees the negative value and he’s capitalizing on cap space for futures. He can’t see these players as positive value and actually give something up can he? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB5 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 2 hours ago, I.Am.Ironman said: Bieksa was never the same after it happened to him Bieksa actually had it twice...I thought that he recovered just fine each time but it took a while. He eventually slowed down due to logging a lot of hard miles on his body. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, I.Am.Ironman said: Bieksa was never the same after it happened to him Teemu selanne and Erik karlsson recovered fine from it. Same with Tyler seguin. On the topic of torn Achilles injuries. From research I’ve done this is a rare injury but it can happen. teemu selanne suffered this in 95. Look at the career he had. karlsson had this injury in 2013. His best years came after that season. and Tyler seguin. i have no,issues with drafting krebs. Edited June 10, 2019 by MoneypuckOverlord 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 8 hours ago, higgyfan said: What makes it even worse for the Nucks, is that Krebs was one of the guys they were looking at. Now it will be like they're 11th overall with Krebs dropping out of the top 10. I'm still hoping for one of Zegras, Cozens, Boldy, Dach or Podk to drop to 10th. Maybe it ensures that he drops to us. This is a common surgery and players fully recover. Procedures have improved since Bieksa. He has already had the surgery so he shouldn't miss an entire year of hockey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 56 minutes ago, appleboy said: Maybe it ensures that he drops to us. This is a common surgery and players fully recover. Procedures have improved since Bieksa. He has already had the surgery so he shouldn't miss an entire year of hockey. Migbt be the same after. Might not. You're willing to take that risk at 10 overall? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 8 hours ago, GarthButcher5 said: Krebs is expected to make a full recovery. This was a fluke injury caused by another players skate so it does not indicate any problems. It would be foolish to pass on a talent like Krens just because he likely will not not be ready for training camp. Say management had Krebs and Newhook ranked very closely but Newhook has a better development path in front Of him healthy and going to BC and will get to play with another high end prospect in Boldy. whereas Krebs has a serious injury, will miss a full summer training, summer camp, and has to go back to Kootney for another hard year. i believe in Krebs as a player and a person and think he will recover from this and become a great player. I just wish he was part of a different program next year and wasn’t unlucky with this injury. But he’s getting some big tests of adversity early In his career and maybe overcoming it and learning now will make him a stronger better leader and pro later on . hard to judge but it could be the difference between him and one guy teams have close in their draft rankings. I think CDC is on the Newhook and Seider train though 2 guys that get a lot of love on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post appleboy Posted June 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2019 1 hour ago, 73 Percent said: Migbt be the same after. Might not. You're willing to take that risk at 10 overall? I will leave that to our scouts and medical staff. If they decide to take him then I am fine with it . I think it is something that they can get enough info on to make a solid decision. You could draft someone else and they get injured day one . You never know. Look what Boeser and Juolevi have gone through. Injuries are now a part of today's nhl. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 1 hour ago, 73 Percent said: Migbt be the same after. Might not. You're willing to take that risk at 10 overall? I have him at closer to 5 than 10, if he's still available (and someone I have even higher isn't), I'd have very little issues taking him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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